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		By: Snoop		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/03/07/all-public-records-should-remain-public/#comment-17308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snoop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I completely agree with Millage. 

Since when is it ok to harass/threaten someone for hunting or any other sport for that matter. Millage posting everyone&#039;s e-mail and phone numbers is no different than the Guardian accidently sending out an e-mail and forgetting to BCC everyone on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Millage. </p>
<p>Since when is it ok to harass/threaten someone for hunting or any other sport for that matter. Millage posting everyone&#8217;s e-mail and phone numbers is no different than the Guardian accidently sending out an e-mail and forgetting to BCC everyone on it.</p>
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		By: steve lewis		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/03/07/all-public-records-should-remain-public/#comment-17294</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just so you know jj, if you did do a police report and someone asked for it under the freedom of info act, your personal info, address, ssan, dob etc would be blacked out so others could not use it to harass, intimidate etc etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you know jj, if you did do a police report and someone asked for it under the freedom of info act, your personal info, address, ssan, dob etc would be blacked out so others could not use it to harass, intimidate etc etc.</p>
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		By: jj		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/03/07/all-public-records-should-remain-public/#comment-17291</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once while filling out a police report for an incident that occurred at work, I asked the police officer to put my work contact info instead and got an earful on how I need to stand up, be a man and take the risk that is associated with my freedoms.  Seems like the police are not taking their own advice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once while filling out a police report for an incident that occurred at work, I asked the police officer to put my work contact info instead and got an earful on how I need to stand up, be a man and take the risk that is associated with my freedoms.  Seems like the police are not taking their own advice.</p>
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		By: Kevin		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/03/07/all-public-records-should-remain-public/#comment-17288</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess I totally fail to understand the connection between hunter permits and the police protection bills.  To me they are entirely different worlds.  Even Doctor&#039;s and Lawyers.  They have licenses to do their work.  They are professional licenses.  Those, should be public record.  Others, such as hunters, have private licenses.  Not for professional use.  (An outfitter&#039;s license, I would consider a professional license).  Is a driver&#039;s license considered public record?  

Hunter&#039;s records being open as public record have been abused.  The abuse must stop.  I believe we should side on the side of those that are victims in this, the hunters.  

I do believe that the anti-hunters should be allowed to say whatever they want.  The problem, is that some have raised the level to &quot;incitement to violence&quot; levels.  They themselves wouldn&#039;t attack a hunter, or Robert, but they would probably be happy to point the crazy guy who would, to their families.  Ultimately, that is what this debate is about.

As for Robert publishing their identities.  If you send that kind of vitriol over, don&#039;t be surprised if your entire message, including email, are used.  Otherwise, he could be making it all up.  Going after &quot;private&quot; records to publish is completely different than posting an attacking email that has that kind of information on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I totally fail to understand the connection between hunter permits and the police protection bills.  To me they are entirely different worlds.  Even Doctor&#8217;s and Lawyers.  They have licenses to do their work.  They are professional licenses.  Those, should be public record.  Others, such as hunters, have private licenses.  Not for professional use.  (An outfitter&#8217;s license, I would consider a professional license).  Is a driver&#8217;s license considered public record?  </p>
<p>Hunter&#8217;s records being open as public record have been abused.  The abuse must stop.  I believe we should side on the side of those that are victims in this, the hunters.  </p>
<p>I do believe that the anti-hunters should be allowed to say whatever they want.  The problem, is that some have raised the level to &#8220;incitement to violence&#8221; levels.  They themselves wouldn&#8217;t attack a hunter, or Robert, but they would probably be happy to point the crazy guy who would, to their families.  Ultimately, that is what this debate is about.</p>
<p>As for Robert publishing their identities.  If you send that kind of vitriol over, don&#8217;t be surprised if your entire message, including email, are used.  Otherwise, he could be making it all up.  Going after &#8220;private&#8221; records to publish is completely different than posting an attacking email that has that kind of information on it.</p>
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		By: Connie Cox		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/03/07/all-public-records-should-remain-public/#comment-17287</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Connie Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that if the records on who harvested a wolf are to remain public anyone wanting to post them in a newspaper for the rest of the public to view should have to pay for every name of every hunter who harvested and filled a tag on any species to be published not just the wolves harvested. Can not convince me that the intent of the person who paid to put the ad in your newspaper did not do it with intent for people to harrass people that were on the list! Mr. Millage did post out of  frustration and retaliation and for the light to shine on the issue of the groups who are rallying to harress him along with now the ones on the list in the newspaper. I for one find it funny that a list of who hunted a wolf is of anyone&#039;s right to know. The only reason they have the list in the first place is for the protection and management of the wolves for balance and control of the hunt for them. The fish and Game have had to ask for the wolves to be brought in and documented on the hunt and to study the health of them as well. If it were just any other species as in coyotes no one has the ability or right to that list? So get real on what this issue is about. Selling newspapers for you MR. Editor, and for the anti wolf hunters a way to harrass. Can people not see it for what it is?

EDITOR NOTE--Connie, I do this blog only as a public forum (no ads, no fees).  I simply don&#039;t have any dog in the wolf fight (pun intended).
My only issue is to preserve the right of citizens to public records--be they driver licenses, deeds, or video of a public place.  Anyone harassing another person is wrong period.  Please read the post again and see some of the reasons we want to keep public records public.
A solution to the hunter issue could be to issue wolf--or any tags--by number only.  If the info is not collected, it can&#039;t be released.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if the records on who harvested a wolf are to remain public anyone wanting to post them in a newspaper for the rest of the public to view should have to pay for every name of every hunter who harvested and filled a tag on any species to be published not just the wolves harvested. Can not convince me that the intent of the person who paid to put the ad in your newspaper did not do it with intent for people to harrass people that were on the list! Mr. Millage did post out of  frustration and retaliation and for the light to shine on the issue of the groups who are rallying to harress him along with now the ones on the list in the newspaper. I for one find it funny that a list of who hunted a wolf is of anyone&#8217;s right to know. The only reason they have the list in the first place is for the protection and management of the wolves for balance and control of the hunt for them. The fish and Game have had to ask for the wolves to be brought in and documented on the hunt and to study the health of them as well. If it were just any other species as in coyotes no one has the ability or right to that list? So get real on what this issue is about. Selling newspapers for you MR. Editor, and for the anti wolf hunters a way to harrass. Can people not see it for what it is?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Connie, I do this blog only as a public forum (no ads, no fees).  I simply don&#8217;t have any dog in the wolf fight (pun intended).<br />
My only issue is to preserve the right of citizens to public records&#8211;be they driver licenses, deeds, or video of a public place.  Anyone harassing another person is wrong period.  Please read the post again and see some of the reasons we want to keep public records public.<br />
A solution to the hunter issue could be to issue wolf&#8211;or any tags&#8211;by number only.  If the info is not collected, it can&#8217;t be released.</p>
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		By: Robert Millage		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Millage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;UPDATE March 9– In what can only be termed “fair play,” Robert Millage–the poster child for the hunter records secrecy bill–has posted all the comments (mostly negative) about being the first hunter to legally kill a wolf in Idaho in modern times. His WEBSITE. We condemn those who harass him, but defend their right to voice their opinions.

In an ironic twist, Millage posts all the names, phone numbers, Facebook pages, and e-mail addresses on all the comments he has received, even though his site is not a “public record.”

Voicing an opinion is not what this bill defends against, it defends against personal attacks and harassment.  I only posted what was sent to me, if a person wants to send me a message of hate, I have every right to do with it what I wish, this doesn&#039;t even compare to the State releasing a list of law abiding hunter names to Extreme Enviromentalist, to draw comparisons between the two is really a deep dig...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;UPDATE March 9– In what can only be termed “fair play,” Robert Millage–the poster child for the hunter records secrecy bill–has posted all the comments (mostly negative) about being the first hunter to legally kill a wolf in Idaho in modern times. His WEBSITE. We condemn those who harass him, but defend their right to voice their opinions.</p>
<p>In an ironic twist, Millage posts all the names, phone numbers, Facebook pages, and e-mail addresses on all the comments he has received, even though his site is not a “public record.”</p>
<p>Voicing an opinion is not what this bill defends against, it defends against personal attacks and harassment.  I only posted what was sent to me, if a person wants to send me a message of hate, I have every right to do with it what I wish, this doesn&#8217;t even compare to the State releasing a list of law abiding hunter names to Extreme Enviromentalist, to draw comparisons between the two is really a deep dig&#8230;</p>
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		By: serendipity		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/03/07/all-public-records-should-remain-public/#comment-17281</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dean Gunderson and the rest of y&#039;all commenters who assert that there is already too much secrecy of public records and doings here, even if they are temporarily deemed &quot;not&quot; public (as in the egregious case of CAFO nutrient info), have exposed another slippery slope specialty of this state. 
Another one has to do with the law about pharmacists being allowed to refuse information or to fill med. scrips, based on their &#039;religion&#039; or moral (?) values. Yet they can recuse their names, so doctors or patients couldn&#039;t tell who they are/were until it was too late?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean Gunderson and the rest of y&#8217;all commenters who assert that there is already too much secrecy of public records and doings here, even if they are temporarily deemed &#8220;not&#8221; public (as in the egregious case of CAFO nutrient info), have exposed another slippery slope specialty of this state.<br />
Another one has to do with the law about pharmacists being allowed to refuse information or to fill med. scrips, based on their &#8216;religion&#8217; or moral (?) values. Yet they can recuse their names, so doctors or patients couldn&#8217;t tell who they are/were until it was too late?</p>
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		By: Robert Millage		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/03/07/all-public-records-should-remain-public/#comment-17279</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Millage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Newspapers are the only groups fighting the hunter protection laws, and I think it&#039;s more to protect their ability to stir the pot and create controversy for a story.  There is absolutely no good reason to release Hunter info.  I tagged the first wolf, and know all to well what the extreme enviro&#039;s are capable of.  Maybe if the people against this law had people posting photos of them, their kids, all their contact info, and maps to their homes and work, they would think different.  If you want to see first hand how extreme, vile, and crazy these people are, here is a blog I created to post everything sent to me www.wolfcomments.blogspot.com .  Also, what hunter in his right mind will check a tagged wolf with the Fish and Game, knowing their names will be handed out to the worst domestic terrorist in the country????  Law abiding citizens have a right to not be subjected to harassment and threats by those who would use such measures to try and force them to change their lifestyle and beliefs.  The Number 1 job of the government is to protect it&#039;s citizens, not hand out target lists!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Newspapers are the only groups fighting the hunter protection laws, and I think it&#8217;s more to protect their ability to stir the pot and create controversy for a story.  There is absolutely no good reason to release Hunter info.  I tagged the first wolf, and know all to well what the extreme enviro&#8217;s are capable of.  Maybe if the people against this law had people posting photos of them, their kids, all their contact info, and maps to their homes and work, they would think different.  If you want to see first hand how extreme, vile, and crazy these people are, here is a blog I created to post everything sent to me <a href="http://www.wolfcomments.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wolfcomments.blogspot.com</a> .  Also, what hunter in his right mind will check a tagged wolf with the Fish and Game, knowing their names will be handed out to the worst domestic terrorist in the country????  Law abiding citizens have a right to not be subjected to harassment and threats by those who would use such measures to try and force them to change their lifestyle and beliefs.  The Number 1 job of the government is to protect it&#8217;s citizens, not hand out target lists!!!</p>
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		By: Dean Gunderson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean Gunderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s already too much effort spent (even in &#039;lil ol&#039; Idaho) trying to evade the existing public record laws.

Case in point, the inspection reports on Confined Animal Feeding Operations were (with the overseeing agency&#039;s concurrence) kept at the actual private facility inspected -- under the presumption that since the records weren&#039;t on file at a public agency they would not be subject to FOIA requests. The reasoning being that CAFO-owners and the inspecting agency wouldn&#039;t want rabble-rousers from finding out about dangers to the public health. Fortunately, the court did not agree and thenceforth required that these records be kept by the public agency. But this required a court case to be fought.

It is already too easy to evade existing public records laws in Idaho. If a legislator can point to specific cases (plural) where harm has been inflicted upon an innocent person, through the divulgement of a police officer&#039;s, prosecutor&#039;s, or prison guard&#039;s phone number or address in a public record -- I&#039;d be more than willing to stand aside (maybe). And only &quot;maybe&quot; -- since someone will have to show me first how this assumed risk isn&#039;t part of the job.

Here&#039;s another question though, if a prosecutor is considered at-risk -- wouldn&#039;t also a public defender? What about a judge, what about a warden, what about the Attorney General?

Are only &quot;some&quot; members of the Executive Branch of government eligible for such secrecy? Perhaps one&#039;s status as an un-elected law enforcement officer qualifies one for secrecy? Would a county&#039;s (elected) Chief Prosecuting Attorney be prohibited from using such a statute to redact the public record, what about an elected Sheriff?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s already too much effort spent (even in &#8216;lil ol&#8217; Idaho) trying to evade the existing public record laws.</p>
<p>Case in point, the inspection reports on Confined Animal Feeding Operations were (with the overseeing agency&#8217;s concurrence) kept at the actual private facility inspected &#8212; under the presumption that since the records weren&#8217;t on file at a public agency they would not be subject to FOIA requests. The reasoning being that CAFO-owners and the inspecting agency wouldn&#8217;t want rabble-rousers from finding out about dangers to the public health. Fortunately, the court did not agree and thenceforth required that these records be kept by the public agency. But this required a court case to be fought.</p>
<p>It is already too easy to evade existing public records laws in Idaho. If a legislator can point to specific cases (plural) where harm has been inflicted upon an innocent person, through the divulgement of a police officer&#8217;s, prosecutor&#8217;s, or prison guard&#8217;s phone number or address in a public record &#8212; I&#8217;d be more than willing to stand aside (maybe). And only &#8220;maybe&#8221; &#8212; since someone will have to show me first how this assumed risk isn&#8217;t part of the job.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another question though, if a prosecutor is considered at-risk &#8212; wouldn&#8217;t also a public defender? What about a judge, what about a warden, what about the Attorney General?</p>
<p>Are only &#8220;some&#8221; members of the Executive Branch of government eligible for such secrecy? Perhaps one&#8217;s status as an un-elected law enforcement officer qualifies one for secrecy? Would a county&#8217;s (elected) Chief Prosecuting Attorney be prohibited from using such a statute to redact the public record, what about an elected Sheriff?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Follow - 

My family is not any more important than yours, not implying that it is.

An example - If you work at a bank or a grocery store, and I am mad at you because of service I received, or something of that nature, I can&#039;t go to your boss or your departments headquarters and demand your home address.  Why should law enforcement be different?  I understand that we are public employees, but we also have rights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow &#8211; </p>
<p>My family is not any more important than yours, not implying that it is.</p>
<p>An example &#8211; If you work at a bank or a grocery store, and I am mad at you because of service I received, or something of that nature, I can&#8217;t go to your boss or your departments headquarters and demand your home address.  Why should law enforcement be different?  I understand that we are public employees, but we also have rights.</p>
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