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	Comments on: Agency Leery of BSU Private Building Scheme	</title>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/05/15/agency-leery-of-bsu-private-building-scheme/#comment-18503</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read the article and frankly did not see anything wrong with the deal.  Long term leases, typically 99 year leases are routinely used in places where &quot;fee simple&quot; land purchases are non-existent.  The lease keeps the land in the &quot;family&quot; and the builder has a spot to build the project.

85 years is generally beyond the useful life of most buildings.  Renovations cost more than new construction with older buildings.  BSU gives up the right to build on land it owns for 85 years in exchange for a revenue stream.  The builder gets the site to build his project. Revenue from the project is profit for the developer/owner of the buildings and lease payments to BSU.  Students get a decent place to live with adequate parking in the rental arrangement.  And I would think somewhere in the fine print the project is fully taxable for property taxes and rental income.  

Long term leases like this are common in large cities.  Ground Zero in New York is an example.  The developer gets his site and the land owner can reclaim the site at the end of the lease.  Somewhere in the agreement will be the rights to renew the lease talks before the lease expires.  If the land owner wants the land back that pretty much is the end of the discussion.  If the building owner wants to continue then he has to pay a new and higher rate on the lease.

PAUL--If it were as you explain, it wouldn&#039;t be all that bad.  Instead, the builder is EXEMPT from taxes, thanks to a new law passed this session (HB596A).  Boise/Ada would lose about $68,000,000 in tax revenues over 85 years if rates remained the same as today.  We haven&#039;t seen the plan, but the State Board and taxpayers should hold the cards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article and frankly did not see anything wrong with the deal.  Long term leases, typically 99 year leases are routinely used in places where &#8220;fee simple&#8221; land purchases are non-existent.  The lease keeps the land in the &#8220;family&#8221; and the builder has a spot to build the project.</p>
<p>85 years is generally beyond the useful life of most buildings.  Renovations cost more than new construction with older buildings.  BSU gives up the right to build on land it owns for 85 years in exchange for a revenue stream.  The builder gets the site to build his project. Revenue from the project is profit for the developer/owner of the buildings and lease payments to BSU.  Students get a decent place to live with adequate parking in the rental arrangement.  And I would think somewhere in the fine print the project is fully taxable for property taxes and rental income.  </p>
<p>Long term leases like this are common in large cities.  Ground Zero in New York is an example.  The developer gets his site and the land owner can reclaim the site at the end of the lease.  Somewhere in the agreement will be the rights to renew the lease talks before the lease expires.  If the land owner wants the land back that pretty much is the end of the discussion.  If the building owner wants to continue then he has to pay a new and higher rate on the lease.</p>
<p>PAUL&#8211;If it were as you explain, it wouldn&#8217;t be all that bad.  Instead, the builder is EXEMPT from taxes, thanks to a new law passed this session (HB596A).  Boise/Ada would lose about $68,000,000 in tax revenues over 85 years if rates remained the same as today.  We haven&#8217;t seen the plan, but the State Board and taxpayers should hold the cards.</p>
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		By: Porcupine Picayune - formerly Boise Picayune		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/05/15/agency-leery-of-bsu-private-building-scheme/#comment-18499</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine Picayune - formerly Boise Picayune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 12:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boise&#039;s criminal enterprises cum quasi-governmental agencies continue to show the depth and breadth of their corruption and disdain for the common man by their relentless efforts to overtly and covertly subvert the expressed will of the people.

Now all we need to do is get that Trolley built and pound that last nail in the coffin!

Welcome to Boise Angeles, y&#039;all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boise&#8217;s criminal enterprises cum quasi-governmental agencies continue to show the depth and breadth of their corruption and disdain for the common man by their relentless efforts to overtly and covertly subvert the expressed will of the people.</p>
<p>Now all we need to do is get that Trolley built and pound that last nail in the coffin!</p>
<p>Welcome to Boise Angeles, y&#8217;all.</p>
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		By: Take it all		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/05/15/agency-leery-of-bsu-private-building-scheme/#comment-18494</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Take it all]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 20:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So if you have a &quot;no loose&quot; football team you strike while the fire is hot. Who would oppose you? So many people only know BSU for the football and have NO CLUE about how BSU actually operates. This is Kustra&#039;s time to grab it all...and have support...even if it is only football fans who cannot figure out the difference between a fle flicker and ponsee scheme.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you have a &#8220;no loose&#8221; football team you strike while the fire is hot. Who would oppose you? So many people only know BSU for the football and have NO CLUE about how BSU actually operates. This is Kustra&#8217;s time to grab it all&#8230;and have support&#8230;even if it is only football fans who cannot figure out the difference between a fle flicker and ponsee scheme.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/05/15/agency-leery-of-bsu-private-building-scheme/#comment-18492</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 13:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Naaaa! Fired would suit the situation just fine. How do we get these guys attention if we don&#039;t just fire them. No buy outs no nothing. Just have him escorted off the property with the BSU security force.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naaaa! Fired would suit the situation just fine. How do we get these guys attention if we don&#8217;t just fire them. No buy outs no nothing. Just have him escorted off the property with the BSU security force.</p>
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		By: Casual Observer		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/05/15/agency-leery-of-bsu-private-building-scheme/#comment-18491</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casual Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 13:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gee, the people only lose two ways.  First when the state blows up the free market by stealing private land (excuse me, acquires land via eminent domain for the exclusive use by a private company), and second, when the people are forced to cover the taxes that would otherwise be paid by the private company.

It is duplicitous stunts like this, but on a larger scale, that lead to the current world financial crisis / recession.  In the spirit of not calling things by their real name I suggest we give Kustra a new assignment, surveying the market for college presidents.  It is so much nicer, and less painful, than saying fired.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, the people only lose two ways.  First when the state blows up the free market by stealing private land (excuse me, acquires land via eminent domain for the exclusive use by a private company), and second, when the people are forced to cover the taxes that would otherwise be paid by the private company.</p>
<p>It is duplicitous stunts like this, but on a larger scale, that lead to the current world financial crisis / recession.  In the spirit of not calling things by their real name I suggest we give Kustra a new assignment, surveying the market for college presidents.  It is so much nicer, and less painful, than saying fired.</p>
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		By: cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/05/15/agency-leery-of-bsu-private-building-scheme/#comment-18485</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 01:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kustra&#039;s arrogance is off the charts! &quot;came along and blew up the plan&quot;? Are you kidding me?
The statement &quot; to keep it off the books&quot;, should be a career ender!
It shows clear intent to deceive the public about the University&#039;s indebtedness. Now the question is what other little deals have &quot;been kept off the books&quot;. No wonder we don&#039;t trust these people as far as we can throw them.

EDITOR NOTE--In fairness, the &quot;off the books&quot; statement was from the Statesman, but the deal would indeed have kept the debt off the books.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kustra&#8217;s arrogance is off the charts! &#8220;came along and blew up the plan&#8221;? Are you kidding me?<br />
The statement &#8221; to keep it off the books&#8221;, should be a career ender!<br />
It shows clear intent to deceive the public about the University&#8217;s indebtedness. Now the question is what other little deals have &#8220;been kept off the books&#8221;. No wonder we don&#8217;t trust these people as far as we can throw them.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;In fairness, the &#8220;off the books&#8221; statement was from the Statesman, but the deal would indeed have kept the debt off the books.</p>
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