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		By: Joe Plumber		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Plumber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Editor&quot; - hey, it&#039;s Joe, I&#039;m back...  I did a little research to your &quot;Editor Note&quot; (BTW, who is editor?).  BPA power on average costs $35 per megawatt-hour.  The newest wind power east of Idaho has been marked to LA (yes, that&#039;s Los Angeles) for $160 per megawatt.  I think California has priced us out of the market - but we still need to keep the lights on.  I don&#039;t think we are interested any time soon in substituting the BPA power for wind power....  AND my power city enters into 5-6 power service contracts per year - this is NOT &quot;just&quot; a BPA contract issue!

EDITOR NOTE--Joe, glad you&#039;re back and doing some research.  The BPA ref was the supreme court test cast that was decided in July.  The point we are making is that if a city gets obligated for 17 years, it sort of cuts into and other opportunities.  Folks in Burley voted and handily approved the long term agreement.  No telling who the next mayor or councilor mayh be, so it is wise to retain your oversight. If you choose not to vote that&#039;s OK, but don&#039;t take the right away from others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Editor&#8221; &#8211; hey, it&#8217;s Joe, I&#8217;m back&#8230;  I did a little research to your &#8220;Editor Note&#8221; (BTW, who is editor?).  BPA power on average costs $35 per megawatt-hour.  The newest wind power east of Idaho has been marked to LA (yes, that&#8217;s Los Angeles) for $160 per megawatt.  I think California has priced us out of the market &#8211; but we still need to keep the lights on.  I don&#8217;t think we are interested any time soon in substituting the BPA power for wind power&#8230;.  AND my power city enters into 5-6 power service contracts per year &#8211; this is NOT &#8220;just&#8221; a BPA contract issue!</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Joe, glad you&#8217;re back and doing some research.  The BPA ref was the supreme court test cast that was decided in July.  The point we are making is that if a city gets obligated for 17 years, it sort of cuts into and other opportunities.  Folks in Burley voted and handily approved the long term agreement.  No telling who the next mayor or councilor mayh be, so it is wise to retain your oversight. If you choose not to vote that&#8217;s OK, but don&#8217;t take the right away from others.</p>
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		By: Seriously Awkward		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20122</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seriously Awkward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aside from bikeboy&#039;s condescension, what would be your point? A white paper contains factual information with research supporting it. This  states your opinion of the matter, which is clearly biased against these amendments. This doesn&#039;t state facts. In fact, given later posts, it doesn&#039;t seem you want anyone to be able to state the facts. We get it, you don&#039;t like Mayor Bieter or these amendments. Fine. But at least use facts rather than opinion to argue against him.

EDITOR NOTE--Please indicate any factual errors in the report.  We don&#039;t have the benefit of $60,000 in public funds to build websites and pay dues to the highly partisan Association of Idaho Cities.  Awkward, please let us know if you too are a sibling of Team Dave&#039;s press agent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from bikeboy&#8217;s condescension, what would be your point? A white paper contains factual information with research supporting it. This  states your opinion of the matter, which is clearly biased against these amendments. This doesn&#8217;t state facts. In fact, given later posts, it doesn&#8217;t seem you want anyone to be able to state the facts. We get it, you don&#8217;t like Mayor Bieter or these amendments. Fine. But at least use facts rather than opinion to argue against him.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Please indicate any factual errors in the report.  We don&#8217;t have the benefit of $60,000 in public funds to build websites and pay dues to the highly partisan Association of Idaho Cities.  Awkward, please let us know if you too are a sibling of Team Dave&#8217;s press agent.</p>
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		By: Lane		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20118</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Let me get this straight.  You want to tie the hands of our power cities so they can only buy electrical power twice a year, after the general election or primary election?  What if the price on those dates is sky high?  After the Enron debacle, I say, let the elected officials buy power when market prices are favorable, rather than being constrained by some arbitrary date!  HJR 7 makes sense!&quot;

EDITOR NOTE--You make a good case for allowing people to vote.  If they make a deal like I.F. tried for 17 years, the people are restrained from the benefit of lower rates in the future.  Matter of semantics, but you apparently wish to deny citizens of their existing right to oversee major financial decisions that bind them for decades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let me get this straight.  You want to tie the hands of our power cities so they can only buy electrical power twice a year, after the general election or primary election?  What if the price on those dates is sky high?  After the Enron debacle, I say, let the elected officials buy power when market prices are favorable, rather than being constrained by some arbitrary date!  HJR 7 makes sense!&#8221;</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;You make a good case for allowing people to vote.  If they make a deal like I.F. tried for 17 years, the people are restrained from the benefit of lower rates in the future.  Matter of semantics, but you apparently wish to deny citizens of their existing right to oversee major financial decisions that bind them for decades.</p>
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		By: Joe Plumber		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20117</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Plumber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 11:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CURRENTLY, Art.8, Section 3 of the Constitution requires a tax levy for every voted indebtedness.  So if we have to vote on service contracts for electrical power purchases, then don&#039;t we have to levy a tax to pay for the power purchased?  No thanks.  My property taxes are high enough without covering expense of power purchases!  Let electric rates pay for electric service.  HJR 7 fixes the insanity and puts electric service on the same playing field as water and sewer service!  And there is a voter provision in HJR 7 - so lets get the FACTS out there!

EDITOR NOTE--Joe, HJR7 is a two parter.  There is indeed a vote for CONSTRUCTION of power generating facilities.  No problem.  However the contract provision would allow a city to enter into open ended agreements obligating the ratepayers (who are also taxpayers in city-owned systems) to agreements like the one Idaho Falls tried for 17 years.  With 200 wind generators coming online in the next couple of years in Eastern Idaho, it is only reasonable to allow citizens to weigh in.  Burley had a vote on the issue and it passed handily.  It is hardly an imposition to allow a vote every 17 years.  Citizen oversight can prevent deals with cronies as well...politicos change with the wind, but the constitution shouldn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CURRENTLY, Art.8, Section 3 of the Constitution requires a tax levy for every voted indebtedness.  So if we have to vote on service contracts for electrical power purchases, then don&#8217;t we have to levy a tax to pay for the power purchased?  No thanks.  My property taxes are high enough without covering expense of power purchases!  Let electric rates pay for electric service.  HJR 7 fixes the insanity and puts electric service on the same playing field as water and sewer service!  And there is a voter provision in HJR 7 &#8211; so lets get the FACTS out there!</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Joe, HJR7 is a two parter.  There is indeed a vote for CONSTRUCTION of power generating facilities.  No problem.  However the contract provision would allow a city to enter into open ended agreements obligating the ratepayers (who are also taxpayers in city-owned systems) to agreements like the one Idaho Falls tried for 17 years.  With 200 wind generators coming online in the next couple of years in Eastern Idaho, it is only reasonable to allow citizens to weigh in.  Burley had a vote on the issue and it passed handily.  It is hardly an imposition to allow a vote every 17 years.  Citizen oversight can prevent deals with cronies as well&#8230;politicos change with the wind, but the constitution shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20115</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Block it with an injunction for using deceptive language.  Heck ya cant sell a pill anymore without all the negatives included.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Block it with an injunction for using deceptive language.  Heck ya cant sell a pill anymore without all the negatives included.</p>
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		By: paul		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole of it all is we are not taxed too little but government spends too much.  

User pay for governement services is something we all need to consider.  

Growth needs to be paid for by those who generate the need for more and higher user fees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole of it all is we are not taxed too little but government spends too much.  </p>
<p>User pay for governement services is something we all need to consider.  </p>
<p>Growth needs to be paid for by those who generate the need for more and higher user fees.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since you &quot;don’t understand how government financing actually works,&quot; Dave, perhaps the spending of taxpayer dollars is something that should be left in the hands of the Enlightened Few who have condescended to be our &quot;public servants.&quot;

&quot;Seriously Awkward&quot; obviously is of the Enlightened Minority.

Now [with a gentle pat on the head] run along, Dave, and don&#039;t cause trouble.  They know what&#039;s best.

My big and legitimate fear is that Election Day will conflict with the finals of &lt;i&gt;America&#039;s Got Talent&lt;/i&gt;, so lots of folks will miss the opportunity to participate.  (I&#039;m sure you get my point, despite your obviously questionable capacity.)  Of course, our City (and State and Federal) Fathers are counting on us NOT paying attention... it&#039;s worked for a long time.

(Your viewpoints and involvement are sincerly appreciated by THIS reader, Dave.  Thanks!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you &#8220;don’t understand how government financing actually works,&#8221; Dave, perhaps the spending of taxpayer dollars is something that should be left in the hands of the Enlightened Few who have condescended to be our &#8220;public servants.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Seriously Awkward&#8221; obviously is of the Enlightened Minority.</p>
<p>Now [with a gentle pat on the head] run along, Dave, and don&#8217;t cause trouble.  They know what&#8217;s best.</p>
<p>My big and legitimate fear is that Election Day will conflict with the finals of <i>America&#8217;s Got Talent</i>, so lots of folks will miss the opportunity to participate.  (I&#8217;m sure you get my point, despite your obviously questionable capacity.)  Of course, our City (and State and Federal) Fathers are counting on us NOT paying attention&#8230; it&#8217;s worked for a long time.</p>
<p>(Your viewpoints and involvement are sincerly appreciated by THIS reader, Dave.  Thanks!)</p>
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		By: Chris Mitchell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Mitchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t speak for the other amendments but HJR 5 puts Idaho on a level playing field with 9 other western states (California is the exception) when it comes to airport financing.  California and Idaho are the only states that require a 2/3 vote to pass airport revenue bonds.  We are losing business to other states who can move more quickly when it comes to building airport infrastructure.  Not only that, but have any of you seen how this passed through the legislature?  Only 13 of our representatives voted no.  If they represent the people then the people have spoken.

EDITOR NOTE--Based on your information it appears Idaho is in a &quot;leadership role&quot; on the issue and shares the same rules as California whose economy is bigger than most nations of the world.   I assure you kind sir the legislature did not represent the people.  You will be hard pressed to find any &quot;people&quot; who wish to eliminate their constitutional right to vote.  These amendments don&#039;t seek to change the 2/3 requirement, they all seek to ELIMINATE THE PEOPLE from the equation period. 

For better or worse the Rs made it part of their party platform to oppose the amendment after the majority of them in the legislature approved it...go figure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for the other amendments but HJR 5 puts Idaho on a level playing field with 9 other western states (California is the exception) when it comes to airport financing.  California and Idaho are the only states that require a 2/3 vote to pass airport revenue bonds.  We are losing business to other states who can move more quickly when it comes to building airport infrastructure.  Not only that, but have any of you seen how this passed through the legislature?  Only 13 of our representatives voted no.  If they represent the people then the people have spoken.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Based on your information it appears Idaho is in a &#8220;leadership role&#8221; on the issue and shares the same rules as California whose economy is bigger than most nations of the world.   I assure you kind sir the legislature did not represent the people.  You will be hard pressed to find any &#8220;people&#8221; who wish to eliminate their constitutional right to vote.  These amendments don&#8217;t seek to change the 2/3 requirement, they all seek to ELIMINATE THE PEOPLE from the equation period. </p>
<p>For better or worse the Rs made it part of their party platform to oppose the amendment after the majority of them in the legislature approved it&#8230;go figure.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20099</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So get it thrown out for using dishonest language.

EDITOR NOTE--We tried and it was an obvious intent of the legislative council to leave it deceptive.  It may actually be a good campaign point for those cherish the constitutional rights we have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So get it thrown out for using dishonest language.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;We tried and it was an obvious intent of the legislative council to leave it deceptive.  It may actually be a good campaign point for those cherish the constitutional rights we have.</p>
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		By: Seriously Awkward		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2010/08/31/white-paper-explains-constitutional-challenge-to-voter-rights/#comment-20098</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seriously Awkward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s clear you don&#039;t understand how government financing actually works, but even more frightening that someone claiming to be a journalist doesn&#039;t understand how to write a white paper.

EDITOR NOTE--Last time we heard the finance allegation Boise had to pay taxes on their privately owned fire stations.  The courts also seem comfortable with our comprehension.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear you don&#8217;t understand how government financing actually works, but even more frightening that someone claiming to be a journalist doesn&#8217;t understand how to write a white paper.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Last time we heard the finance allegation Boise had to pay taxes on their privately owned fire stations.  The courts also seem comfortable with our comprehension.</p>
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