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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22581</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Cynic,

Let the URD&#039;s operate under the strictures of the Idaho Constitution. 

Urban Renewal is property tax dollars and taxpayers have a right to taxation with representation.  UR agencies answer to no voter oversight and it is wrong.  Even newly election Gov. Jerry Brown, a democrat wants these agencies abolished.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cynic,</p>
<p>Let the URD&#8217;s operate under the strictures of the Idaho Constitution. </p>
<p>Urban Renewal is property tax dollars and taxpayers have a right to taxation with representation.  UR agencies answer to no voter oversight and it is wrong.  Even newly election Gov. Jerry Brown, a democrat wants these agencies abolished.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22565</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul;

This isn&#039;t about the Idaho Constitution&#039;s debt clause. It&#039;s about the creation and management of URDs. 

And if you&#039;re going to talk Constitutional Law, please review the Idaho Supreme Court decision of 11-25-09 upholding URD indebtedness.

http://www.isc.idaho.gov/opinions/Urban%20Renewal%20Agency%20v%20%20Hart.pdf

I certainly hope Justice Horton and the others know a little something about constitutional law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about the Idaho Constitution&#8217;s debt clause. It&#8217;s about the creation and management of URDs. </p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re going to talk Constitutional Law, please review the Idaho Supreme Court decision of 11-25-09 upholding URD indebtedness.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.isc.idaho.gov/opinions/Urban%20Renewal%20Agency%20v%20%20Hart.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.isc.idaho.gov/opinions/Urban%20Renewal%20Agency%20v%20%20Hart.pdf</a></p>
<p>I certainly hope Justice Horton and the others know a little something about constitutional law.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22551</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Constitution of Idaho is very clear if you read Art. VIII sec.8. Any debt, liability of obligation going out beyond one budget cycle requires 2/3rds voter approval save water and sewer that require only 50% plus one vote.

Now we have Urban Renewal Title 50 that got into property taxpayers pocket back in the 1980&#039;s and every wannabe mayor in Idaho has discovered the &quot;magic of urban renewal&quot; to get around bond elections.

If they want stuff that requires debt financing then let the voters decide just like school bond elections.  Needs will be met but toys and goodies may not pass muster with voters.  This is the crux of the issue and voters have every right to demand a voice in how long term debt is taken on and paid off with property tax dollars.

I suggest mr. cyinc and bearcub review the Idaho Constituion. Debt was deliberately made this way in Idaho because the waste and spend crowd was alive and well back in the days when the Idaho Constitution was framed.  The mandate for a balanced budget is also something that has served Idaho well over the years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution of Idaho is very clear if you read Art. VIII sec.8. Any debt, liability of obligation going out beyond one budget cycle requires 2/3rds voter approval save water and sewer that require only 50% plus one vote.</p>
<p>Now we have Urban Renewal Title 50 that got into property taxpayers pocket back in the 1980&#8217;s and every wannabe mayor in Idaho has discovered the &#8220;magic of urban renewal&#8221; to get around bond elections.</p>
<p>If they want stuff that requires debt financing then let the voters decide just like school bond elections.  Needs will be met but toys and goodies may not pass muster with voters.  This is the crux of the issue and voters have every right to demand a voice in how long term debt is taken on and paid off with property tax dollars.</p>
<p>I suggest mr. cyinc and bearcub review the Idaho Constituion. Debt was deliberately made this way in Idaho because the waste and spend crowd was alive and well back in the days when the Idaho Constitution was framed.  The mandate for a balanced budget is also something that has served Idaho well over the years.</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22543</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anything I write here on this subject is only intended to support my main point that LOCAL government has waaaayyyy too much authority and does waaayyy too many things.  Local government should do no more than manage cops, trash and other utilities (without owning any), schools, libraries, parks, and roads.  Local government should not own or operate race tracks, fair grounds, ball parks for professional atheletes, arenas, convention halls, or build urban renewal projects.  I may have left out some things that government should or should not do, but you get the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything I write here on this subject is only intended to support my main point that LOCAL government has waaaayyyy too much authority and does waaayyy too many things.  Local government should do no more than manage cops, trash and other utilities (without owning any), schools, libraries, parks, and roads.  Local government should not own or operate race tracks, fair grounds, ball parks for professional atheletes, arenas, convention halls, or build urban renewal projects.  I may have left out some things that government should or should not do, but you get the point.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22518</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way Rod, someone else once said a small percentage of a large number is still a large number.

Millions and millions have been spent on suburban expansion over decades. And you&#039;re gonna begrudge 2 decades of creative management of the unique and older areas of town?

I notice how no one responds to my assertions that new planning and zoning laws hamstring new development in the west downtown area.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Rod, someone else once said a small percentage of a large number is still a large number.</p>
<p>Millions and millions have been spent on suburban expansion over decades. And you&#8217;re gonna begrudge 2 decades of creative management of the unique and older areas of town?</p>
<p>I notice how no one responds to my assertions that new planning and zoning laws hamstring new development in the west downtown area.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22517</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Rod;

Of course I know property taxes make up a small percentage of road funding, not so small a percentage of new schools though. In the same vein, URDs only make a small percentage, if any, increase to your property taxes. 

You, nor anyone else has yet to provide an independent and thorough accounting of how much extra property tax we pay due to the current 3 URDs in downtown Boise. No, the IFF report of a CATO report is not an independent and thorough accounting.

Regardless, it ain&#039;t rocket science, my property tax amounts to about $100 a month. If indeed we are making up some kind of difference then it probably is only a small percentage. My combined utilities are much more than $100 a month. So, please put things in their proper perspective. The existence of URDs is not putting you in the poor house.

We all should be proud that at least some of our fellow citizens care about making downtown Boise better than the run-down warehouse district it once was. You may never visit downtown but a lot of people do. I rarely visit the Mall area and never visit the Factory Outlet area which has the taxpayer supported Ice Rink.

This anti URD argument is little different than arguing you have no kids so you shouldn&#039;t have to pay for schools.

Yes, I would be in favor of better oversight, and no, URD funds should not be used for Arid Club memberships. But don&#039;t pretend these kinds of abuses and annoyances don&#039;t occur over the entire government spectrum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rod;</p>
<p>Of course I know property taxes make up a small percentage of road funding, not so small a percentage of new schools though. In the same vein, URDs only make a small percentage, if any, increase to your property taxes. </p>
<p>You, nor anyone else has yet to provide an independent and thorough accounting of how much extra property tax we pay due to the current 3 URDs in downtown Boise. No, the IFF report of a CATO report is not an independent and thorough accounting.</p>
<p>Regardless, it ain&#8217;t rocket science, my property tax amounts to about $100 a month. If indeed we are making up some kind of difference then it probably is only a small percentage. My combined utilities are much more than $100 a month. So, please put things in their proper perspective. The existence of URDs is not putting you in the poor house.</p>
<p>We all should be proud that at least some of our fellow citizens care about making downtown Boise better than the run-down warehouse district it once was. You may never visit downtown but a lot of people do. I rarely visit the Mall area and never visit the Factory Outlet area which has the taxpayer supported Ice Rink.</p>
<p>This anti URD argument is little different than arguing you have no kids so you shouldn&#8217;t have to pay for schools.</p>
<p>Yes, I would be in favor of better oversight, and no, URD funds should not be used for Arid Club memberships. But don&#8217;t pretend these kinds of abuses and annoyances don&#8217;t occur over the entire government spectrum.</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 06:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess it must be the full moon! It seems to bring out the non-sense in people. A quick question Green bear cub. Just who would you propose be allowed to vote? Those that you choose? Those that think like you? Do you think that might be just a &quot;titch&quot; elitist? Or maybe I should decide who is qualified to vote. I have to tell you though, I am only a few short conversations from proposing we evacuate &quot;most&quot; of the residents and set fire to the whole bloody north end! It may be a &quot;quaint&quot; piece of the city, but those that have immigrated there are, in the main, NUTS!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it must be the full moon! It seems to bring out the non-sense in people. A quick question Green bear cub. Just who would you propose be allowed to vote? Those that you choose? Those that think like you? Do you think that might be just a &#8220;titch&#8221; elitist? Or maybe I should decide who is qualified to vote. I have to tell you though, I am only a few short conversations from proposing we evacuate &#8220;most&#8221; of the residents and set fire to the whole bloody north end! It may be a &#8220;quaint&#8221; piece of the city, but those that have immigrated there are, in the main, NUTS!</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WOW!  There must be lots of horses still in Boise because there is a lot of horse-you-know-what going around.  boisecynic posted a long list of construction projects and expects us to believe that our local property taxes paid for any more that a tiny fraction of the cost.

And Greenbearcub wants to restrict voting rights to a few knowledgeable people.  Seriously???

If you use your computer keyboard to type stupid stuff and put it out there for the world to see, then everyone in the world can form their own opinion of you.

Wasn&#039;t it Mark Twain who said that it might be better for people to think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!  There must be lots of horses still in Boise because there is a lot of horse-you-know-what going around.  boisecynic posted a long list of construction projects and expects us to believe that our local property taxes paid for any more that a tiny fraction of the cost.</p>
<p>And Greenbearcub wants to restrict voting rights to a few knowledgeable people.  Seriously???</p>
<p>If you use your computer keyboard to type stupid stuff and put it out there for the world to see, then everyone in the world can form their own opinion of you.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t it Mark Twain who said that it might be better for people to think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt?</p>
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		By: Greenbearcub		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greenbearcub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Should there be more oversight to the URD? Yes. Should the oversight be a vote every time something needs to be done by the general populace? No. Sorry but honestly the simple fact is that most people are not in anyway capable of knowing how to vote on these projects. They are too easily distracted by either side of the government or Justin Bieber. They hear the dreaded word &quot;TAXES&quot; and they either run or start yelling. Honestly I say those that don&#039;t like taxes shouldn&#039;t have to pay but then they must not use anything that taxes go to pay for. They better get use to not driving on any road, walking in any park or sidewalk and a few more services. Obviously that is completely a bit over the top but it is true. 

But once again should there be some type of oversight and some new rules, of course. I little corrective action could be good. However, to much would be disastrous for the greater Boise/Nampa/Caldwell areas.

Furthermore, for any suburbanite to say that these additions go to help only downtown areas can just go to the back of the room and put that little cone of dunce on their head. (This last comment is not directed at the author of this editorial, as I do believe you to have a mind and that you do use it, in fact you know how to use it to sway those that I speak of to your side. That&#039;s not wrong, we all do it, well at least us with half a mind do.) So lastly I have some agreement with this editorial but not to its full extent. It goes to far to have the whole populace to have oversight is not the way to get things done but to have no oversight is the way to get bloating. Just say it with me, Happy Middle ground.

EDITOR NOTE--There are more bills out there than we can discuss in this space, but the GUARDIAN seeks to have ANY elected authority held responsible, be it city council, county commishes, direct election of board, or the populace vote to approve the districts.  Autonomy with tax revenues being spent without representation is simply wrong.  Public money MUST be appropriated by an elected body and that is not the case under current law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should there be more oversight to the URD? Yes. Should the oversight be a vote every time something needs to be done by the general populace? No. Sorry but honestly the simple fact is that most people are not in anyway capable of knowing how to vote on these projects. They are too easily distracted by either side of the government or Justin Bieber. They hear the dreaded word &#8220;TAXES&#8221; and they either run or start yelling. Honestly I say those that don&#8217;t like taxes shouldn&#8217;t have to pay but then they must not use anything that taxes go to pay for. They better get use to not driving on any road, walking in any park or sidewalk and a few more services. Obviously that is completely a bit over the top but it is true. </p>
<p>But once again should there be some type of oversight and some new rules, of course. I little corrective action could be good. However, to much would be disastrous for the greater Boise/Nampa/Caldwell areas.</p>
<p>Furthermore, for any suburbanite to say that these additions go to help only downtown areas can just go to the back of the room and put that little cone of dunce on their head. (This last comment is not directed at the author of this editorial, as I do believe you to have a mind and that you do use it, in fact you know how to use it to sway those that I speak of to your side. That&#8217;s not wrong, we all do it, well at least us with half a mind do.) So lastly I have some agreement with this editorial but not to its full extent. It goes to far to have the whole populace to have oversight is not the way to get things done but to have no oversight is the way to get bloating. Just say it with me, Happy Middle ground.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;There are more bills out there than we can discuss in this space, but the GUARDIAN seeks to have ANY elected authority held responsible, be it city council, county commishes, direct election of board, or the populace vote to approve the districts.  Autonomy with tax revenues being spent without representation is simply wrong.  Public money MUST be appropriated by an elected body and that is not the case under current law.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/02/18/guardian-in-support-of-urban-renewal-reform/#comment-22458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Voter approval wasn&#039;t required for all the spending in the suburbs over the last 40 to 50 years. Why should voter approval be required for a URD? And who should get to vote? All the residents of the city? How about just the residents of the URD?

The only other option is for greater downtown Boise to secede from the rest of Boise, then we wouldn&#039;t have to hear you suburbanites complaining about tax shifts even though you suburbanites have received the following:


2 new Parkcenter Bridges
1 new massive Overland/Cole interchange
1 new Micron interchange (Isaac&#039;s Canyon)
1 new Locust Grove freeway overpass
1 new Orchard freeway overpass/interchange
1 new Vista freeway overpass/interchange
1 new State St bypass in Eagle
1 new Hill Road Parkway

Widened:
  Interstate 184 (The Connector)
  Federal Way
  Maple Grove
  Eagle Road
  Victory Road
  Overland Road
  Hwy 69 to Kuna
  Chinden
  and a lot more

Oodles of new schools and parks

And the massive widening of Interstate 84 from Broadway to West Nampa

Yeah, go ahead suburbanites, keep complaining that you&#039;re not get your fair share. UNBELIEVABLE!

EDITOR NOTE-- Pro-growth city councilors annexed those suburbs against their will.  I would mandfor annexation.ate a vote of BOTH city residents AND suburbanites]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voter approval wasn&#8217;t required for all the spending in the suburbs over the last 40 to 50 years. Why should voter approval be required for a URD? And who should get to vote? All the residents of the city? How about just the residents of the URD?</p>
<p>The only other option is for greater downtown Boise to secede from the rest of Boise, then we wouldn&#8217;t have to hear you suburbanites complaining about tax shifts even though you suburbanites have received the following:</p>
<p>2 new Parkcenter Bridges<br />
1 new massive Overland/Cole interchange<br />
1 new Micron interchange (Isaac&#8217;s Canyon)<br />
1 new Locust Grove freeway overpass<br />
1 new Orchard freeway overpass/interchange<br />
1 new Vista freeway overpass/interchange<br />
1 new State St bypass in Eagle<br />
1 new Hill Road Parkway</p>
<p>Widened:<br />
  Interstate 184 (The Connector)<br />
  Federal Way<br />
  Maple Grove<br />
  Eagle Road<br />
  Victory Road<br />
  Overland Road<br />
  Hwy 69 to Kuna<br />
  Chinden<br />
  and a lot more</p>
<p>Oodles of new schools and parks</p>
<p>And the massive widening of Interstate 84 from Broadway to West Nampa</p>
<p>Yeah, go ahead suburbanites, keep complaining that you&#8217;re not get your fair share. UNBELIEVABLE!</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211; Pro-growth city councilors annexed those suburbs against their will.  I would mandfor annexation.ate a vote of BOTH city residents AND suburbanites</p>
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