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		By: Nemo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/03/16/no-vests-but-guns-are-ok-on-campus/#comment-23133</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dog, 

Regarding CPR, for the average citizen there is no &quot;duty to act&quot; to do CPR, I know of no successful law case where a private citizen was held accountable for not doing CPR. And it has happened numerous times unfortunately. 

And in that case most dangers are theoretical and/or presumed. In a lethal force encounter, the danger is real and actual. As long as the citizen was not obligated (i.e. a &quot;duty to act&quot;), then I doubt he could be held accountable. 

A citizen does have a responsibility to discharge his firearm properly, and could be held liable for unintended consequences if he did intervene. But these things are better covered in tactics and CCL classess, and every day firearms training. 


As for being sued, We all can be sued for anything, at any time. Even writing on here. But it wont get very far. 

So, respectfully, I believe your understanding is wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dog, </p>
<p>Regarding CPR, for the average citizen there is no &#8220;duty to act&#8221; to do CPR, I know of no successful law case where a private citizen was held accountable for not doing CPR. And it has happened numerous times unfortunately. </p>
<p>And in that case most dangers are theoretical and/or presumed. In a lethal force encounter, the danger is real and actual. As long as the citizen was not obligated (i.e. a &#8220;duty to act&#8221;), then I doubt he could be held accountable. </p>
<p>A citizen does have a responsibility to discharge his firearm properly, and could be held liable for unintended consequences if he did intervene. But these things are better covered in tactics and CCL classess, and every day firearms training. </p>
<p>As for being sued, We all can be sued for anything, at any time. Even writing on here. But it wont get very far. </p>
<p>So, respectfully, I believe your understanding is wrong.</p>
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		By: Nemo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/03/16/no-vests-but-guns-are-ok-on-campus/#comment-23131</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert, 

there is an old saying: If you find your self in a fair fight, its your own dam fault not to be prepared. 

In other words, a baseball bat is too up close and personal and requires more physical agility and strength than the average over 30 year old is capable of. 

If someone is a potentially lethal threat, I&#039;m not going to respond with &quot;in kind force&quot; I will respond with the most decisive force at hand to end the threat quickly. (THere is no legal requirement to fight fair...remember I am a lawful citizen who is the victem of an aggressive thug in this situation) In a real fight there are no referees, no bells, and fair play rules. Only who is standing and who is not. For me and my families sake I intend to be standing. Any other approach is IMHO liberal niavete that does not take into account the realities of potentially lethal encounters. 

When the bad guy comes at me with a baseball bat, I will have my gun. Not only will I see him coming, but I will win the engagement, and go home to my family. 

THATS why carrying a baseball bat (or a knife, or a taser for that matter) for defense when you could carry a gun is silly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, </p>
<p>there is an old saying: If you find your self in a fair fight, its your own dam fault not to be prepared. </p>
<p>In other words, a baseball bat is too up close and personal and requires more physical agility and strength than the average over 30 year old is capable of. </p>
<p>If someone is a potentially lethal threat, I&#8217;m not going to respond with &#8220;in kind force&#8221; I will respond with the most decisive force at hand to end the threat quickly. (THere is no legal requirement to fight fair&#8230;remember I am a lawful citizen who is the victem of an aggressive thug in this situation) In a real fight there are no referees, no bells, and fair play rules. Only who is standing and who is not. For me and my families sake I intend to be standing. Any other approach is IMHO liberal niavete that does not take into account the realities of potentially lethal encounters. </p>
<p>When the bad guy comes at me with a baseball bat, I will have my gun. Not only will I see him coming, but I will win the engagement, and go home to my family. </p>
<p>THATS why carrying a baseball bat (or a knife, or a taser for that matter) for defense when you could carry a gun is silly.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/03/16/no-vests-but-guns-are-ok-on-campus/#comment-23115</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclops, Why not just carry a baseball bat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclops, Why not just carry a baseball bat?</p>
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		By: Cyclops		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/03/16/no-vests-but-guns-are-ok-on-campus/#comment-23112</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dog, don&#039;t, for a second, attempt to &quot;classify&quot; why I carry a weapon!
If you have, indeed, traveled to those places, you would very well know that in Pakistan and the surrounding countries, once you leave cities like Karachi, EVERYONE is carrying a weapon. In South Africa, under aparteid, EVERY white person carried. You are correct about Mexico. But that is becayse the government forbids the citizens to own guns.
One more thing, if you ever see me with a weapon in my hand, you can rest assured I have already made the decision to use it. The only reason to use it is to stop someone, or myself, from a fatal threat. I am not some &quot;gung ho&quot; guy looking to pick a fight. I simply want the advantage that I would win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dog, don&#8217;t, for a second, attempt to &#8220;classify&#8221; why I carry a weapon!<br />
If you have, indeed, traveled to those places, you would very well know that in Pakistan and the surrounding countries, once you leave cities like Karachi, EVERYONE is carrying a weapon. In South Africa, under aparteid, EVERY white person carried. You are correct about Mexico. But that is becayse the government forbids the citizens to own guns.<br />
One more thing, if you ever see me with a weapon in my hand, you can rest assured I have already made the decision to use it. The only reason to use it is to stop someone, or myself, from a fatal threat. I am not some &#8220;gung ho&#8221; guy looking to pick a fight. I simply want the advantage that I would win.</p>
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		By: JW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does the second amendment allow me to stockpile missiles, nuclear warheads, and other &quot;arms?&quot;

I really don&#039;t have a problem with CWP, but I think it creates nightmare scenarios (like described above) where we already have trigger happy police. In situations where the citizen is drawing down, how does a police officer react?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the second amendment allow me to stockpile missiles, nuclear warheads, and other &#8220;arms?&#8221;</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t have a problem with CWP, but I think it creates nightmare scenarios (like described above) where we already have trigger happy police. In situations where the citizen is drawing down, how does a police officer react?</p>
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		By: Nemo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ronnie, In a way you are right, as a private citizen he can chose which ones to support and which ones to not support.

But tax payer funded entities are NOT private citizens, and should not be allowed to disregard the second amendments any more than they should be allowed to disregard the 1st, or any other amendments or even the constitution itself. If they can disregard the second, then why cant they disregard others?

Can they discriminate on the bases of sex, or creed? We all know there are teachers today who would prevent people of color and women out of certain classrooms and professions. 

Perhaps they can disregard the 4th, and search/detain any student who disagrees or protests against anything the administration / teachers/  university doesnt like? 

The constitution does not hold that certain articles and amendments are more important that others. And while the BG editor may think that, the universities as taxpayer supported institutions cant without damm fine reason.

EDITOR NOTE--For the record we support the constitution, but we also support common sense.  If the county can run us through a metal detector and ban nail clippers and jack knives from the courthouse, it seems logical that university pres can ban guns on campus--concealed or open carry.  They ban glass bottles, but allow guns? But then you can argue that bottles are not addressed in the constitution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronnie, In a way you are right, as a private citizen he can chose which ones to support and which ones to not support.</p>
<p>But tax payer funded entities are NOT private citizens, and should not be allowed to disregard the second amendments any more than they should be allowed to disregard the 1st, or any other amendments or even the constitution itself. If they can disregard the second, then why cant they disregard others?</p>
<p>Can they discriminate on the bases of sex, or creed? We all know there are teachers today who would prevent people of color and women out of certain classrooms and professions. </p>
<p>Perhaps they can disregard the 4th, and search/detain any student who disagrees or protests against anything the administration / teachers/  university doesnt like? </p>
<p>The constitution does not hold that certain articles and amendments are more important that others. And while the BG editor may think that, the universities as taxpayer supported institutions cant without damm fine reason.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;For the record we support the constitution, but we also support common sense.  If the county can run us through a metal detector and ban nail clippers and jack knives from the courthouse, it seems logical that university pres can ban guns on campus&#8211;concealed or open carry.  They ban glass bottles, but allow guns? But then you can argue that bottles are not addressed in the constitution.</p>
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		By: Ronnie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronnie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nemo, 
  As an avid fan of our first amendment. I have to disagree,BG can absolutely pick and chose which amendments are worth their time to support and which ones are not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nemo,<br />
  As an avid fan of our first amendment. I have to disagree,BG can absolutely pick and chose which amendments are worth their time to support and which ones are not.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is in the news and probably correct:  The Gov will block because he thinks U president should be the one with the choice.

I&#039;m ok with that, very happy we&#039;ve driven the issue this far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in the news and probably correct:  The Gov will block because he thinks U president should be the one with the choice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ok with that, very happy we&#8217;ve driven the issue this far.</p>
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		By: Nemo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 03:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Public universities are PUBLIC (as in TAX PAYER SUPPORTED) properties and therefore should have no right to ban the possession of firearms(or any other constitutionally guaranteed rights) by lawfully allowed citizens except in extraordinary circumstances .  I am open to events where alcohol figures prominently for discussion...but am not sold on that for a variety of reasons. 

Regardless, They especially should have no right to ban concealed carry by lawfully allowed citizens.

@ Trivia: This is not about what we are or are not &quot;afraid of&quot;. Its about simply choosing to exercise my constitutionally guaranteed right. You would not be upset at me exercising my 1st amendment, yet I bet more people have been killed over the 1st amendment, 15th, the 19th amendments and indirectly over the fourth, than the second. 

BG, as an avid fan of the first amendment and having greatly benefited from the same, you cannot pick and chose which amendments are worth your time to support and which ones are not.  As a friend of mine once put, it is thanks to the second amendment that we can still exercise the rest!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public universities are PUBLIC (as in TAX PAYER SUPPORTED) properties and therefore should have no right to ban the possession of firearms(or any other constitutionally guaranteed rights) by lawfully allowed citizens except in extraordinary circumstances .  I am open to events where alcohol figures prominently for discussion&#8230;but am not sold on that for a variety of reasons. </p>
<p>Regardless, They especially should have no right to ban concealed carry by lawfully allowed citizens.</p>
<p>@ Trivia: This is not about what we are or are not &#8220;afraid of&#8221;. Its about simply choosing to exercise my constitutionally guaranteed right. You would not be upset at me exercising my 1st amendment, yet I bet more people have been killed over the 1st amendment, 15th, the 19th amendments and indirectly over the fourth, than the second. </p>
<p>BG, as an avid fan of the first amendment and having greatly benefited from the same, you cannot pick and chose which amendments are worth your time to support and which ones are not.  As a friend of mine once put, it is thanks to the second amendment that we can still exercise the rest!</p>
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		By: dog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Treva,  since I have too been in very dangerous places around the world including the Indo/Pak border, South Africa (Soweto) under apartheid. Remote parts of Mexico and many cities in the US.  I&#039;m not fearful. Whay are you?

Most CC types I know are waiting for the opportunity to be a hero.  Most of the CC promotors posting on this blog would pee/ deficate in their pants in a stress-fire situation.  
Personally I think if you have a CC permit and you are not a perp in the crime, you should be legally obligated to use your weapon to prevent a shooting attack. If you fail, kill/maim innocent people, or leave the scene of a crime out of fear or cowardice, then you should be brought to justice by a court of law.  
I believe if you have a current CPR certificate, you are obligated by law to perform life saving measures in the event of an emergency. You can be sued if you refuse. This is my understanding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Treva,  since I have too been in very dangerous places around the world including the Indo/Pak border, South Africa (Soweto) under apartheid. Remote parts of Mexico and many cities in the US.  I&#8217;m not fearful. Whay are you?</p>
<p>Most CC types I know are waiting for the opportunity to be a hero.  Most of the CC promotors posting on this blog would pee/ deficate in their pants in a stress-fire situation.<br />
Personally I think if you have a CC permit and you are not a perp in the crime, you should be legally obligated to use your weapon to prevent a shooting attack. If you fail, kill/maim innocent people, or leave the scene of a crime out of fear or cowardice, then you should be brought to justice by a court of law.<br />
I believe if you have a current CPR certificate, you are obligated by law to perform life saving measures in the event of an emergency. You can be sued if you refuse. This is my understanding.</p>
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