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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25644</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dean, I&#039;m not &lt;i&gt;insisting&lt;/i&gt; anything!  Just sharing my observations.

&quot;Rob from the rich and give to the poor&quot; just ain&#039;t gonna git &#039;er done!  (IMO.)  The &quot;sensible tax structure&quot; would be useless, if the government, particularly at the federal level, continues to spend money at historically high levels.

It&#039;s interesting to me that the &quot;Occupy&quot; people &lt;i&gt;seem&lt;/i&gt; to perceive &quot;big business&quot; as the root of the problem and the &quot;Tea Party&quot; people &lt;i&gt;seem&lt;/i&gt; to perceive &quot;big government&quot; as the root of the problem, and ne&#039;er the twain shall meet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, I&#8217;m not <i>insisting</i> anything!  Just sharing my observations.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rob from the rich and give to the poor&#8221; just ain&#8217;t gonna git &#8216;er done!  (IMO.)  The &#8220;sensible tax structure&#8221; would be useless, if the government, particularly at the federal level, continues to spend money at historically high levels.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to me that the &#8220;Occupy&#8221; people <i>seem</i> to perceive &#8220;big business&#8221; as the root of the problem and the &#8220;Tea Party&#8221; people <i>seem</i> to perceive &#8220;big government&#8221; as the root of the problem, and ne&#8217;er the twain shall meet.</p>
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		By: Dean Gunderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25642</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean Gunderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bikeboy, where to begin?

First, your insistence that the Occupy Together movement actually has a list of demands is directly refuted by the link Jake offered. 

Here&#039;s the text from the header of that article (that you might have missed), &quot;This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly.&quot; In short, the list of &quot;demands&quot; you&#039;ve attempted to attribute to the Occupy movement wasn&#039;t made by the Occupy movement.

Second, no one (to my knowledge) in the Occupy movement has ever asserted that if a sensible tax structure were reinstated -- which would restore historic tax rates upon the wealthiest of Americans -- that it would magically erase the debt.

Thirdly, you are right regarding the pending crisis facing America. No matter what political or economic changes we&#039;re able to implement -- we&#039;ll all be still stuck in our (collective) SUV&#039;s at the end of America&#039;s cul-de-sac (to paraphrase Jim Kunstler). But I would rather be in a situation where we&#039;re all pulling together for a promising future, rather than strapped to the chariots of a ruling class.

I would also hazard to guess that a significantly higher percentage of OccupyBoise members (much higher than 20-30%) will be voting in the local elections -- I can&#039;t speak for other citizens though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bikeboy, where to begin?</p>
<p>First, your insistence that the Occupy Together movement actually has a list of demands is directly refuted by the link Jake offered. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the text from the header of that article (that you might have missed), &#8220;This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly.&#8221; In short, the list of &#8220;demands&#8221; you&#8217;ve attempted to attribute to the Occupy movement wasn&#8217;t made by the Occupy movement.</p>
<p>Second, no one (to my knowledge) in the Occupy movement has ever asserted that if a sensible tax structure were reinstated &#8212; which would restore historic tax rates upon the wealthiest of Americans &#8212; that it would magically erase the debt.</p>
<p>Thirdly, you are right regarding the pending crisis facing America. No matter what political or economic changes we&#8217;re able to implement &#8212; we&#8217;ll all be still stuck in our (collective) SUV&#8217;s at the end of America&#8217;s cul-de-sac (to paraphrase Jim Kunstler). But I would rather be in a situation where we&#8217;re all pulling together for a promising future, rather than strapped to the chariots of a ruling class.</p>
<p>I would also hazard to guess that a significantly higher percentage of OccupyBoise members (much higher than 20-30%) will be voting in the local elections &#8212; I can&#8217;t speak for other citizens though.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25626</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We seem to be straying from the topic, however...

Jake, I&#039;m happy to get educated!  I checked out the &quot;proposals&quot; at your link.

Do the 99-percenters realize we&#039;re already $14 trillion (that&#039;s $14,000,000,000,000) in debt?  The one-percenters don&#039;t have enough to pay for an end to fossil fuel, single-pay health insurance, restoration of the environment, sparkling infrastructure, etc., even if we confiscated ALL their filthy lucre!

(If anybody believes the &quot;Occupy&quot; folks have some realistic expectations, I encourage you to check out Jake&#039;s link, above.)

Oh - and P.S. - we DON&#039;T all vote!  Typically about 30 percent of eligible voters make the effort.  In a ho-hum city election, I&#039;d gamble it&#039;ll be under 20 percent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to be straying from the topic, however&#8230;</p>
<p>Jake, I&#8217;m happy to get educated!  I checked out the &#8220;proposals&#8221; at your link.</p>
<p>Do the 99-percenters realize we&#8217;re already $14 trillion (that&#8217;s $14,000,000,000,000) in debt?  The one-percenters don&#8217;t have enough to pay for an end to fossil fuel, single-pay health insurance, restoration of the environment, sparkling infrastructure, etc., even if we confiscated ALL their filthy lucre!</p>
<p>(If anybody believes the &#8220;Occupy&#8221; folks have some realistic expectations, I encourage you to check out Jake&#8217;s link, above.)</p>
<p>Oh &#8211; and P.S. &#8211; we DON&#8217;T all vote!  Typically about 30 percent of eligible voters make the effort.  In a ho-hum city election, I&#8217;d gamble it&#8217;ll be under 20 percent.</p>
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		By: jake krahn		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25622</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jake krahn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Soon to be Third Term... not If Dave Hall has anything to say about it... and BIke Boy those &quot;Agenda&quot; things were proposed by one person and concensus was not reached http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/ Pay special attention to the word proposed.. Please educate yourself before you have opinions.. P.s. we ALL vote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soon to be Third Term&#8230; not If Dave Hall has anything to say about it&#8230; and BIke Boy those &#8220;Agenda&#8221; things were proposed by one person and concensus was not reached <a href="http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/</a> Pay special attention to the word proposed.. Please educate yourself before you have opinions.. P.s. we ALL vote.</p>
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		By: Dean Gunderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25619</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean Gunderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Occupy Together movement is growing around the US, now with over 1,700 communities represented. The OccupyBoise group has had the largest per capita participation in our marches of any US city.

For a better idea of what the movement is about - as opposed to what one is told they are about - check out the organization&#039;s website at occupyboise.org

For a chance to meet others who are concerned about our future, and to participate in working towards a brighter future for everyone join us this Saturday at Capitol Park. It&#039;ll be a great chance to have some interesting discussions, share some knowledge, learn a little bit, and add your voice to calls for positive change.

Who knows, you might be surprised how much you have in common with the 99%. And yes (bikeboy) -- every single one of the OccupyBoise members are voters. A little over half the crowd at the last City Council debate were members of OccupyBoise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Occupy Together movement is growing around the US, now with over 1,700 communities represented. The OccupyBoise group has had the largest per capita participation in our marches of any US city.</p>
<p>For a better idea of what the movement is about &#8211; as opposed to what one is told they are about &#8211; check out the organization&#8217;s website at occupyboise.org</p>
<p>For a chance to meet others who are concerned about our future, and to participate in working towards a brighter future for everyone join us this Saturday at Capitol Park. It&#8217;ll be a great chance to have some interesting discussions, share some knowledge, learn a little bit, and add your voice to calls for positive change.</p>
<p>Who knows, you might be surprised how much you have in common with the 99%. And yes (bikeboy) &#8212; every single one of the OccupyBoise members are voters. A little over half the crowd at the last City Council debate were members of OccupyBoise.</p>
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		By: Grumpy ole guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25617</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike Cunningham had my vote the moment I learned of his candidacy.  I know him to be an honest and honorable person who has the good of citizens foremost in his thinking.  His statement about the City falling into line with other taxing agencies is just common sense, it isn&#039;t as though there are massive infra-structure issues involved in this cycle and his statement speaks to reality. I am surprised that Bieter would make such an obvious mis-step about this, he usually is more sure footed than this.

Mr. C shepherded our three children through elementary school and I&#039;d vote for him for any office he would seek.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Cunningham had my vote the moment I learned of his candidacy.  I know him to be an honest and honorable person who has the good of citizens foremost in his thinking.  His statement about the City falling into line with other taxing agencies is just common sense, it isn&#8217;t as though there are massive infra-structure issues involved in this cycle and his statement speaks to reality. I am surprised that Bieter would make such an obvious mis-step about this, he usually is more sure footed than this.</p>
<p>Mr. C shepherded our three children through elementary school and I&#8217;d vote for him for any office he would seek.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25615</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, Dean... I&#039;m curious about OccupyBoise.  Are they aligned with the Occupy Wall Street crowd?  The ones whose agenda includes:
1) free healthcare for everybody
2) forgiveness of all debts, mortgages, education loans, etc.
3) minimum wage of $20, and a guaranteed &quot;living wage&quot;
??

Yeah... those folks sound like they&#039;re grounded in reality.  (/sarcasm)  Why would anybody want their endorsement?  Do they vote?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Dean&#8230; I&#8217;m curious about OccupyBoise.  Are they aligned with the Occupy Wall Street crowd?  The ones whose agenda includes:<br />
1) free healthcare for everybody<br />
2) forgiveness of all debts, mortgages, education loans, etc.<br />
3) minimum wage of $20, and a guaranteed &#8220;living wage&#8221;<br />
??</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230; those folks sound like they&#8217;re grounded in reality.  (/sarcasm)  Why would anybody want their endorsement?  Do they vote?</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25612</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know city elected positions are &quot;non-partisan&quot; (nudge-nudge, wink-wink), but when candidates run unopposed, it really irritates me and my fellow VTBO partisans.

(&quot;Vote The Bums Out.&quot;  As a rule, I believe in government &quot;by the people,&quot; rather than by career politicians.  And the LAST person I want to vote for is somebody who&#039;s the lap dog of the head honcho.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know city elected positions are &#8220;non-partisan&#8221; (nudge-nudge, wink-wink), but when candidates run unopposed, it really irritates me and my fellow VTBO partisans.</p>
<p>(&#8220;Vote The Bums Out.&#8221;  As a rule, I believe in government &#8220;by the people,&#8221; rather than by career politicians.  And the LAST person I want to vote for is somebody who&#8217;s the lap dog of the head honcho.)</p>
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		By: Kunan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kunan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I lived in Boise I&#039;d vote for anyone but Bieter. I can&#039;t stand listening to his voice any longer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I lived in Boise I&#8217;d vote for anyone but Bieter. I can&#8217;t stand listening to his voice any longer.</p>
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		By: Lawrence Johnson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2011/10/25/cunningham-taken-to-woodshed-educated-by-bieter/#comment-25607</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you want A true conservative voice on City Council, Vote Lawrence Johnson. Endorsements also include: Rep Lynn Luker, Rep Joe Palmer, Rep Marv Hagedorn, Sen Shirley Mckague, Sen John Andreason, Comm Sharon Ulman, Comm Rick Yzaguire, Comm Vern Bisterfeldt, Building Contractors Association, and Dawn Hatch. These Leaders have endorsed me as the conservative cadidate for City Council seat 2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want A true conservative voice on City Council, Vote Lawrence Johnson. Endorsements also include: Rep Lynn Luker, Rep Joe Palmer, Rep Marv Hagedorn, Sen Shirley Mckague, Sen John Andreason, Comm Sharon Ulman, Comm Rick Yzaguire, Comm Vern Bisterfeldt, Building Contractors Association, and Dawn Hatch. These Leaders have endorsed me as the conservative cadidate for City Council seat 2.</p>
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