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		By: Martin Johncox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Johncox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s an impressive list of failures the Guardian has listed! Any one of them would be a great reason to turn away a proposal to build a Chinese bus plant in Idaho. Taken together, they are a strong argument against any kind of economic development - how could anyone argue with that? Plus, we all know the Chinese are hemorrhaging jobs to America.  

Only on the Guardian would a proposal to bring high-wage manufacturing jobs be viewed as a bad thing. Unless the Guardian has some specific information, the drumbeat about &quot;payments to a company for each job they provide&quot; doesn&#039;t add up to much. It occurs to me the Guardian may earn too much of his living out-of-state to be much concerned with jobs in-state. 

I earn virtually all of my money in-state and I am very vested in the economic success of this place.

EDITOR NOTE--All sarcasm aside--if that&#039;s possible.  The real issue is not a bus plant, but whether all the claims are really legit.  Numerous editorials in Idaho papers have tossed in the towel and just accept that states are all &quot;competing,&quot; apparently no longer &quot;united.&quot;  Also, you need to take the global approach and applaud the GUARDIAN editor for being a net exporter of product.  I have yet to work for any clients being investigated by the feds, politicos, or local governments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s an impressive list of failures the Guardian has listed! Any one of them would be a great reason to turn away a proposal to build a Chinese bus plant in Idaho. Taken together, they are a strong argument against any kind of economic development &#8211; how could anyone argue with that? Plus, we all know the Chinese are hemorrhaging jobs to America.  </p>
<p>Only on the Guardian would a proposal to bring high-wage manufacturing jobs be viewed as a bad thing. Unless the Guardian has some specific information, the drumbeat about &#8220;payments to a company for each job they provide&#8221; doesn&#8217;t add up to much. It occurs to me the Guardian may earn too much of his living out-of-state to be much concerned with jobs in-state. </p>
<p>I earn virtually all of my money in-state and I am very vested in the economic success of this place.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;All sarcasm aside&#8211;if that&#8217;s possible.  The real issue is not a bus plant, but whether all the claims are really legit.  Numerous editorials in Idaho papers have tossed in the towel and just accept that states are all &#8220;competing,&#8221; apparently no longer &#8220;united.&#8221;  Also, you need to take the global approach and applaud the GUARDIAN editor for being a net exporter of product.  I have yet to work for any clients being investigated by the feds, politicos, or local governments.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unless I missed something in the original article,  I did not see any thing about subsidies for this bus factory.   Do they exist?   Probably, but they seem hard to talk about without facts.

As pointed out, this is just a pie in the sky dream until actual buildings are built.   The local politicians always jump on the bandwagon fast.

EDITOR NOTE-- &quot;No extravagant or big promises were made to this company from the Valley or the state.  We will make sure that Zonda gets what it deserves in terms of workforce training.”  

This is code for payments to a company for each job they provide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I missed something in the original article,  I did not see any thing about subsidies for this bus factory.   Do they exist?   Probably, but they seem hard to talk about without facts.</p>
<p>As pointed out, this is just a pie in the sky dream until actual buildings are built.   The local politicians always jump on the bandwagon fast.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211; &#8220;No extravagant or big promises were made to this company from the Valley or the state.  We will make sure that Zonda gets what it deserves in terms of workforce training.”  </p>
<p>This is code for payments to a company for each job they provide.</p>
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		By: whidit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...and pay taxes like everyone else...&quot; 

It&#039;s a global economy and the US has one of the very highest corporate tax rates. To pay taxes like everyone else in the world, requires a tax break.

If the US or Idaho want to compete in a global economy for jobs, we will have to match the global rate for taxes.

A one-off deal isn&#039;t as appealing as an overall lowering of the corporate tax rate (per Simpson-Bowles) but I&#039;ll support it, if it is the only method available to adjust to world rates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and pay taxes like everyone else&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a global economy and the US has one of the very highest corporate tax rates. To pay taxes like everyone else in the world, requires a tax break.</p>
<p>If the US or Idaho want to compete in a global economy for jobs, we will have to match the global rate for taxes.</p>
<p>A one-off deal isn&#8217;t as appealing as an overall lowering of the corporate tax rate (per Simpson-Bowles) but I&#8217;ll support it, if it is the only method available to adjust to world rates.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, did anyone check to see if this bus is even a viable idea?  Seems to me it would be a step back from the CNG buses in use all over the country.  Kind of like the Chevy Volt and the solar panel company recently in the news.  

Tax money sinkholes don&#039;t bother government spenders because their friends are the middlemen who get the only take.  We the people need to wise up and put a stop to this all to common maneuver.

I recognize that large agencies like NASA are needed to give new technologies a boost into marketable products.  But small budget States and municipalities have no business acting as venture capitalists for unproven ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, did anyone check to see if this bus is even a viable idea?  Seems to me it would be a step back from the CNG buses in use all over the country.  Kind of like the Chevy Volt and the solar panel company recently in the news.  </p>
<p>Tax money sinkholes don&#8217;t bother government spenders because their friends are the middlemen who get the only take.  We the people need to wise up and put a stop to this all to common maneuver.</p>
<p>I recognize that large agencies like NASA are needed to give new technologies a boost into marketable products.  But small budget States and municipalities have no business acting as venture capitalists for unproven ideas.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not only are we a debtor nation to China now we are underwriting their efforts to build buses? And so goes the capitalist free market to the subsidized Chinese Communists.  

We have a do nothing congress held hostage by a fringe group of &quot;bigs&quot; who have limited congressional elected people to negotiate in good faith.  Shame on Grover Norquist and those who have signed his pledge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are we a debtor nation to China now we are underwriting their efforts to build buses? And so goes the capitalist free market to the subsidized Chinese Communists.  </p>
<p>We have a do nothing congress held hostage by a fringe group of &#8220;bigs&#8221; who have limited congressional elected people to negotiate in good faith.  Shame on Grover Norquist and those who have signed his pledge.</p>
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