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		By: joki		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2012/12/13/taxpayers-big-losers-in-purchasing-prosperity/#comment-37824</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey all--didn&#039;t I hear this morning on the radio that the new Greek yogurt, Chobani Company, slated for Idaho Falls, got some &quot;welcome&quot; money from the state fund?

JOKI--It is in TWIN Falls and they got lots of breaks including urban renewal funds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all&#8211;didn&#8217;t I hear this morning on the radio that the new Greek yogurt, Chobani Company, slated for Idaho Falls, got some &#8220;welcome&#8221; money from the state fund?</p>
<p>JOKI&#8211;It is in TWIN Falls and they got lots of breaks including urban renewal funds.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Dave, just stiring the pot.  It&#039;s fun to see the ideas that come from it.  

I think the biggest issue we have in Idaho and America is that our leaders and managers are selfish and often apparently stupid too.  they have allowed too many riding in the wagon and not enough pulling it.  It&#039;s a good way to get votes in the short-term.  The problem is easy to see when looking at the ever increasing percentage of budgets going to overhead.

As for Boise, the only reason we ever had big employers like Micron here is because it was where the original money people lived.  The money people are now mostly dead and we are discovering that Idaho is not a good location for much other than call centers, military training, mining, and timber production --- aka the same as it was in 1970.

I think if all the folk who moved here to build houses were to move away again we&#039;d have a nice place to retire.  Very low home prices/taxes and a lifetime supply of firewood from all the abandon homes.

However, if we make our airport bigger than LAX everything will be in the black again right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave, just stiring the pot.  It&#8217;s fun to see the ideas that come from it.  </p>
<p>I think the biggest issue we have in Idaho and America is that our leaders and managers are selfish and often apparently stupid too.  they have allowed too many riding in the wagon and not enough pulling it.  It&#8217;s a good way to get votes in the short-term.  The problem is easy to see when looking at the ever increasing percentage of budgets going to overhead.</p>
<p>As for Boise, the only reason we ever had big employers like Micron here is because it was where the original money people lived.  The money people are now mostly dead and we are discovering that Idaho is not a good location for much other than call centers, military training, mining, and timber production &#8212; aka the same as it was in 1970.</p>
<p>I think if all the folk who moved here to build houses were to move away again we&#8217;d have a nice place to retire.  Very low home prices/taxes and a lifetime supply of firewood from all the abandon homes.</p>
<p>However, if we make our airport bigger than LAX everything will be in the black again right?</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If anyone on here thinks that we can lure businesses to Idaho without state and local subsidies, think again. Every state in this country is competing for jobs. Idaho does and will continue to subsidize business, as long as it pulls a plow, eats grain or grass and produces manure we&#039;re all over it. Unforuntately, most college graduates don&#039;t want milk cows or shovel manure.  

Zippo- if you think mining, timber or nuclear energy is going to revive Idaho, you&#039;re living in some by gone era. Personally, I appreciate Idaho&#039;s legacy of wild and clean running rivers over super fund sites. by the way there are at least three active ones in Idaho right now. I appreciate the salmon and steelhead runs over barren hill sides and silt laden streams. Past timbeer pracrices sealed their own doom. Nuclear energy will never work in the US. It is too expensive and environementally sensitive, it is a viable energy source elsewhere, but will nnot in our future. Why risk it, cheap natural gas, wind and solar energy do work.

Idaho legisltaures are more interested in reelection than progress. For decades we have refused to invest in our infrastructre i.e. education and highways. We refuse to recognize that in order to grow and prosper requires, absolutely requires investment into our future. For some reason, we seem to be scared of what education and growth might bring. 

Yes, we are growing, at least locally. Idaho is great place to retire and to tele commute from. However, our growth will be in the service industries and small business not technology or manufacturing.
That&#039;s the way our elected officals want it and apparently most of our residents too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone on here thinks that we can lure businesses to Idaho without state and local subsidies, think again. Every state in this country is competing for jobs. Idaho does and will continue to subsidize business, as long as it pulls a plow, eats grain or grass and produces manure we&#8217;re all over it. Unforuntately, most college graduates don&#8217;t want milk cows or shovel manure.  </p>
<p>Zippo- if you think mining, timber or nuclear energy is going to revive Idaho, you&#8217;re living in some by gone era. Personally, I appreciate Idaho&#8217;s legacy of wild and clean running rivers over super fund sites. by the way there are at least three active ones in Idaho right now. I appreciate the salmon and steelhead runs over barren hill sides and silt laden streams. Past timbeer pracrices sealed their own doom. Nuclear energy will never work in the US. It is too expensive and environementally sensitive, it is a viable energy source elsewhere, but will nnot in our future. Why risk it, cheap natural gas, wind and solar energy do work.</p>
<p>Idaho legisltaures are more interested in reelection than progress. For decades we have refused to invest in our infrastructre i.e. education and highways. We refuse to recognize that in order to grow and prosper requires, absolutely requires investment into our future. For some reason, we seem to be scared of what education and growth might bring. </p>
<p>Yes, we are growing, at least locally. Idaho is great place to retire and to tele commute from. However, our growth will be in the service industries and small business not technology or manufacturing.<br />
That&#8217;s the way our elected officals want it and apparently most of our residents too.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Guardian makes a good point but leaves out the big picture of macroeconomics. 

That money wasn&#039;t frittered, it was spent at a time when consumer spending had dropped so much that it threatened a vicious spiral of deflation which is worse than inflation. Just ask the Japanese about deflation.

Zippo, I&#039;d agree that the government shouldn&#039;t bailout banks but the 2008 TARP Act was without a shadow of a doubt absolutely necessary to prevent the collapse of the entire world&#039;s financial system.

Like it or not, our world, all the conveniences of the modern world depend on Fractional Reserve Banking. It&#039;s a glorified pyramid scheme and all pyramid schemes are doomed to collapse without very careful oversight and regulation.

Thomas makes a good point about feudalism in Idaho.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guardian makes a good point but leaves out the big picture of macroeconomics. </p>
<p>That money wasn&#8217;t frittered, it was spent at a time when consumer spending had dropped so much that it threatened a vicious spiral of deflation which is worse than inflation. Just ask the Japanese about deflation.</p>
<p>Zippo, I&#8217;d agree that the government shouldn&#8217;t bailout banks but the 2008 TARP Act was without a shadow of a doubt absolutely necessary to prevent the collapse of the entire world&#8217;s financial system.</p>
<p>Like it or not, our world, all the conveniences of the modern world depend on Fractional Reserve Banking. It&#8217;s a glorified pyramid scheme and all pyramid schemes are doomed to collapse without very careful oversight and regulation.</p>
<p>Thomas makes a good point about feudalism in Idaho.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As you say that Thomas Idaho has growth and people moving here from California to retire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you say that Thomas Idaho has growth and people moving here from California to retire.</p>
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		By: Ronin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Talking with classmates, the general understanding is that once anyone obtains their degree, they need to move outside of Idaho to be successful.  This is the general thought for any degree plan other than criminal justice, which pretty much guarantees a job upon completion of the degree.  So essentially anyone who graduates with a degree that matters, moves out of Idaho.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking with classmates, the general understanding is that once anyone obtains their degree, they need to move outside of Idaho to be successful.  This is the general thought for any degree plan other than criminal justice, which pretty much guarantees a job upon completion of the degree.  So essentially anyone who graduates with a degree that matters, moves out of Idaho.</p>
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		By: Ronin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Conservatism is stagnation.  Without growth there is no chance for prosperity among the younger generations.  As we are now becoming a country that is losing its hold as the dominate superpower, we in turn need to look for innovative methods to generate success within our own borders.  This is difficult as long as we keep electing the ultra-conservatives into office who have the mentality that “their great-granddaddy did it this way, and their granddaddy did too, so did their daddy and by golly they will to.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatism is stagnation.  Without growth there is no chance for prosperity among the younger generations.  As we are now becoming a country that is losing its hold as the dominate superpower, we in turn need to look for innovative methods to generate success within our own borders.  This is difficult as long as we keep electing the ultra-conservatives into office who have the mentality that “their great-granddaddy did it this way, and their granddaddy did too, so did their daddy and by golly they will to.”</p>
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		By: cave people		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cave people]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a deal for you Thomas.  I&#039;ll support a simple majority vote for school bond elections on one condition.  If I own eight separate properties, I get eight votes. If you own one property, you get one vote. Deal?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a deal for you Thomas.  I&#8217;ll support a simple majority vote for school bond elections on one condition.  If I own eight separate properties, I get eight votes. If you own one property, you get one vote. Deal?</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As soon as that huge wave of environmentalist californicators departs for a better corporate welfare state which they have not yet destroyed, we&#039;ll be firing up all those sweet machines to exploit the earth again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as that huge wave of environmentalist californicators departs for a better corporate welfare state which they have not yet destroyed, we&#8217;ll be firing up all those sweet machines to exploit the earth again.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tommy, Idaho will be doing well again just as soon and we fire up the mines, chainsaws, and nuclear experiments --- and not a moment sooner.  Robbing Peter to pay Paul was a failed idea a very long time ago.  Unless you are the saleman in the middle --- and I bet that&#039;s who you are.  It clearly is the MO of the elected officials.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy, Idaho will be doing well again just as soon and we fire up the mines, chainsaws, and nuclear experiments &#8212; and not a moment sooner.  Robbing Peter to pay Paul was a failed idea a very long time ago.  Unless you are the saleman in the middle &#8212; and I bet that&#8217;s who you are.  It clearly is the MO of the elected officials.</p>
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