Comments on: PTSD, Mental Diagnosis Cloud Gun Issues

By: tom

tom — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 04:23:18 +0000

Nan, dog is actually a product of the vaunted Californis schools system.

By: Zippo

Zippo — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 03:06:18 +0000

LJ: I did consider your point, and again ask: What are they afraid of? The Editor is posting a question about civil rights vs. public safety. I’d like to point out how dangerous it is to compromise on civil rights. This is the point Bruce Willis was making in his statement as well. Attached is a link to a situation where someones rights were violated. It is becomming more common these days. I’m not as concerned about crazy people with guns as I am about the people who no longer respect our civil rights. If you read the text it mentions that this is the second look-alike vehice they shot up. Should be some interesting spin in this after-action report.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

By: LJ

LJ — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 23:24:45 +0000

I think they are buying all the ammo to make it harder for citizens to get. With companies filling huge orders like this it is going to be awhile until it is available in large supply again.

By: Zippo

Zippo — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:49:51 +0000

We need to work on the mental illness/suicide problem… but I think a much bigger concern is the growing monster in DC… they seem to be very worried about something internal.

Read the comparitive to active military volume of ammunition.

In a way this is good, because when less paranoid people are eventully in charge it will be sold to the public as cheap surplus.

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/

By: Zippo

Zippo — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:39:51 +0000

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/medical/health/medical/mentalhealth/story/2011/08/Suicide-attempts-higher-for-veterans-on-campus/49808298/1

By: Zippo

Zippo — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:21:34 +0000

LJ, You are correct, in that it can be hashed in different ways to get different results. I got an “every 16 minutes” number from this study. There are lots of statistical methods. Clearly it is a problem across the spectrum of society.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1357/25/33364/week-national-suicide-prevention-week.html

Any is too many. I bet alcohol is often in the mix? Along with major life changes.

Very sad.

By: LJ

LJ — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:43:52 +0000

Zippo,

I don’t think your numbers are correct. Military suicide rates for males are double the national numbers. Suicide is the leading cause of death for female veterans. I realize different studies made by different people may change the numbers slightly, but this seems to be fairly consistent.

http://deploymentpsych.org/topics-disorders/suicide

By: bikeboy

bikeboy — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:11:24 +0000

Dave, I don’t know about you, but I almost took offense when Zippo referred to “ill-tempered, macho, middle-aged, sore-backed fat-guys.” Why single US out?
(-;

But seriously, good thoughts from the Guardian and many of the commenters. Tough issue.

Even if a private party wanted to do a “background check” before selling a gun, there are currently no resources available to facilitate that. How can we change that, without invading individual citizens’ privacy, which is also valuable?

When I was a kid, you could order a gun out of the back of a magazine. Sears & Roebuck used to have ’em just inside the door (12th and State – old timers will remember it). Has the “gun problem” gotten worse since they’ve been regulated more, or does it just seem that way because of the instantaneous news rotation? (Personally, I don’t think I’ve lived a particularly sheltered life, but I’ve never pointed a gun at somebody else, or had a gun pointed at me.)

By: Dave

Dave — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:28:15 +0000

One discussion that has been left out of the gun control debate and PTSD is drugs. Not illegal drugs, but prescribed medications, vaccines and supplements(non prescribed)
Has war fare really changed so much that our soldiers can’t deal with it anymore? War is stressful, far more than anyone except a veteran can understand. I do not believe that PTSD is caused solely by combat related issues anymore. I think the medications also have something to do with it. Yet, we hear little discussion about that detail.

By: dog

dog — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:30:18 +0000

Glad people are talking about this topic. It will be difficult. One of the problems is many people are not criminals or psycho until they pull the trigger and start murdering people. How will we decide who is exempt from owning a gun? Personally I feel like Dick Cheney is a psycho for getting us into a bogus war costing thousands of lives and for what? Then shooting someone in the face with a shotgun when out hunting.

As a bird hunter, I have missed many opportunities to kill far more birds because I keep the plug in my shotgun allowing only three rounds. If I was fully loaded with five or had a magazine extension alowing 7 rounds, I would have had the capability of killing more birds at one time. Restricting magazine capacity does make sense when looking at the physics of having to reload. I think it needs to start here and the cries of people who think they have rights to massive killing power are shallow. Their logic would then allow full automatic and grenade launching capabilities to mimic the capability of the military they think they need to defend themselves against.