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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59450</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 23:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Use the plate readers to cross refference those with/without insurance... would save us all money on car insurance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use the plate readers to cross refference those with/without insurance&#8230; would save us all money on car insurance.</p>
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		By: tom		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59445</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chief

I would like to thank you for answering my concern. I agree totally that there are legitimate reasons for using the technology but there is a massive amount of abuse possible. I am not in anyway trying to insinuate this is going on in BPD and a response as fast as yours reassures me greatly.  

I am also glad to see that you keep abreast of formats such as this. For those of us who are &quot;skeptical&quot; to say the least of LE&#039;s regard for citizen concerns it is very refreshing to be able to have a dialog in an open and honest format.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chief</p>
<p>I would like to thank you for answering my concern. I agree totally that there are legitimate reasons for using the technology but there is a massive amount of abuse possible. I am not in anyway trying to insinuate this is going on in BPD and a response as fast as yours reassures me greatly.  </p>
<p>I am also glad to see that you keep abreast of formats such as this. For those of us who are &#8220;skeptical&#8221; to say the least of LE&#8217;s regard for citizen concerns it is very refreshing to be able to have a dialog in an open and honest format.</p>
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		By: Chief Mike Masterson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59438</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chief Mike Masterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tom, as new technology arrives each day that enhances  our ability to make our communities safer , i&quot;m in favor. Whether it&#039;s recovering stolen cars, apprehending a susect on an amber alert and safety recovering the vicitms or locating violent fugitives, all based on a license plate, are legitimate intersts of law enforcement. We used a loaned vehicle with plate reader technology on a couple  of occassions  about five years ago for a short period of time. We entered in all of our stolen car plates.  Proved to be so ineffective for us in Boise (because of so few stolen cars) it was never offered again.  We have not used the technology since nor do we have plans in the future for it.  

I agree with setting the rules.  While I want to utilize technology to the fullest extent possible in the 8 hours i perform this job; the other 16 hours i spend as a regular citizen i dont want an overbearing , intrusive government in my personal life.  There needs to be rules and if police agencies using this technology can&#039;t police themselves then someone else will...be it Congress or the courts.  Hope that helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom, as new technology arrives each day that enhances  our ability to make our communities safer , i&#8221;m in favor. Whether it&#8217;s recovering stolen cars, apprehending a susect on an amber alert and safety recovering the vicitms or locating violent fugitives, all based on a license plate, are legitimate intersts of law enforcement. We used a loaned vehicle with plate reader technology on a couple  of occassions  about five years ago for a short period of time. We entered in all of our stolen car plates.  Proved to be so ineffective for us in Boise (because of so few stolen cars) it was never offered again.  We have not used the technology since nor do we have plans in the future for it.  </p>
<p>I agree with setting the rules.  While I want to utilize technology to the fullest extent possible in the 8 hours i perform this job; the other 16 hours i spend as a regular citizen i dont want an overbearing , intrusive government in my personal life.  There needs to be rules and if police agencies using this technology can&#8217;t police themselves then someone else will&#8230;be it Congress or the courts.  Hope that helps.</p>
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		By: tom		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59398</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the Chief would be kind enough to comment on this story, Study finds police are recording license plates by the millions in a dragnet with few rules. It ran in the Washington Post today. 

Here is the full URL   www.washingtonpost.com/national/aclu-finds-license-plate-scanners-on-the-rise-creating-de-facto-government-tracking-system/2013/07/17/9fda2a8a-eee9-11e2-bb32-725c8351a69e_story.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the Chief would be kind enough to comment on this story, Study finds police are recording license plates by the millions in a dragnet with few rules. It ran in the Washington Post today. </p>
<p>Here is the full URL   <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/aclu-finds-license-plate-scanners-on-the-rise-creating-de-facto-government-tracking-system/2013/07/17/9fda2a8a-eee9-11e2-bb32-725c8351a69e_story.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/aclu-finds-license-plate-scanners-on-the-rise-creating-de-facto-government-tracking-system/2013/07/17/9fda2a8a-eee9-11e2-bb32-725c8351a69e_story.html</a></p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59346</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 02:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the law on this around here, and how does the public search their record to see who searched their record?

http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/215707711.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the law on this around here, and how does the public search their record to see who searched their record?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/215707711.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/215707711.html</a></p>
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		By: tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 01:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chief and Dave,

I am not disputing policy I am simply relaying what Det. Albanese told us in the Intro to Policing class he taught on Gowen in 2011. He may have been mistaken and quoted procedures in place when he worked for LAPD.

EDITOR NOTE--I trust the officer has now been informed of the &quot;facts, just the facts sir,&quot; as another LAPD copper of TV fame used to say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chief and Dave,</p>
<p>I am not disputing policy I am simply relaying what Det. Albanese told us in the Intro to Policing class he taught on Gowen in 2011. He may have been mistaken and quoted procedures in place when he worked for LAPD.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;I trust the officer has now been informed of the &#8220;facts, just the facts sir,&#8221; as another LAPD copper of TV fame used to say.</p>
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		By: Chief Mike Masterson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59337</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chief Mike Masterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave&#039;s right , there is no policy as long as it doesn&#039;t obstruct an investigation. It&#039;s not a simple answer based on the totality of the circumstances invovled. If a person standing on a sidewalk wants to run a video of an officer making an arrest,it&#039;s entirely legal.  But, if that same person walks into the street and insists on standing next to the officer while they are struggling and attempting to arrest for the purpose of videotaping the arrest and was warned to stand on the sidewalk and refused to comply, yes they could be arrested. Regarding a citizen taking pictures, don&#039;t be offended but when a citizen complains of someone taking a picture of them we generally investigate to make sure it&#039;s legal behavior. You may be taking photos of planes landing at the airport and a citizen calls in a suspicious person and yes we would generally respond and ask for an explanation.  What happens when it&#039;s your 17 year old daughter downtown with a friend and they observe a man taking their pictures, not once but several times?  Yes, we investigate.  

Our recording policy is presumed to be face to face, in person so cell phone calls generally are not recorded. (We dont provide the equipment to do so)except for sgts on their desk lines for conversations with complainants etc.  We generally dont see disputes with victim statements as we are driving to calls but when dealing with complainants it&#039;s another matter. It&#039;s a fact, digital audio recordings do tend to exonerate officers in the overwhelming majority of times. 


As for the future of the Ombudsman, that decision will be with elected officials with many of the comments offered by readers pro and con,being taken into account.  Hope this information helps.

EDITOR NOTE--HEre is a timely news report from Detroit. http://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/6324906-Detroit-IA-unit-investigating-arrest-of-photographer/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8217;s right , there is no policy as long as it doesn&#8217;t obstruct an investigation. It&#8217;s not a simple answer based on the totality of the circumstances invovled. If a person standing on a sidewalk wants to run a video of an officer making an arrest,it&#8217;s entirely legal.  But, if that same person walks into the street and insists on standing next to the officer while they are struggling and attempting to arrest for the purpose of videotaping the arrest and was warned to stand on the sidewalk and refused to comply, yes they could be arrested. Regarding a citizen taking pictures, don&#8217;t be offended but when a citizen complains of someone taking a picture of them we generally investigate to make sure it&#8217;s legal behavior. You may be taking photos of planes landing at the airport and a citizen calls in a suspicious person and yes we would generally respond and ask for an explanation.  What happens when it&#8217;s your 17 year old daughter downtown with a friend and they observe a man taking their pictures, not once but several times?  Yes, we investigate.  </p>
<p>Our recording policy is presumed to be face to face, in person so cell phone calls generally are not recorded. (We dont provide the equipment to do so)except for sgts on their desk lines for conversations with complainants etc.  We generally dont see disputes with victim statements as we are driving to calls but when dealing with complainants it&#8217;s another matter. It&#8217;s a fact, digital audio recordings do tend to exonerate officers in the overwhelming majority of times. </p>
<p>As for the future of the Ombudsman, that decision will be with elected officials with many of the comments offered by readers pro and con,being taken into account.  Hope this information helps.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;HEre is a timely news report from Detroit. <a href="http://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/6324906-Detroit-IA-unit-investigating-arrest-of-photographer/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/6324906-Detroit-IA-unit-investigating-arrest-of-photographer/</a></p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link, Chief. Is there a formal policy on citizen&#039;s recording officer&#039;s actions (video or audio)? I know it&#039;s an issue nationally and didn&#039;t see anything in the PDF about it.

EDITOR NOTE--Not speaking on behalf of the department, but the general rule is you can make photos or videos as long as you don&#039;t interfere with or obstruct the coppers doing their job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Chief. Is there a formal policy on citizen&#8217;s recording officer&#8217;s actions (video or audio)? I know it&#8217;s an issue nationally and didn&#8217;t see anything in the PDF about it.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Not speaking on behalf of the department, but the general rule is you can make photos or videos as long as you don&#8217;t interfere with or obstruct the coppers doing their job.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59316</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Chief,  Overall I&#039;m happy with local coppers... but know the coppers need watching so it does not evolve into a copper&#039;s come first and the public last kinda department.  

What do you think of the Murphy replacement situation?  

And do you think we&#039;ll ever be able to access the NSA recordings of all communications for criminal cases?  

Also, are the cell phone coversations, which have become the officer&#039;s primary link to the public and often other officers,... are these cell phone calls also recorded?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chief,  Overall I&#8217;m happy with local coppers&#8230; but know the coppers need watching so it does not evolve into a copper&#8217;s come first and the public last kinda department.  </p>
<p>What do you think of the Murphy replacement situation?  </p>
<p>And do you think we&#8217;ll ever be able to access the NSA recordings of all communications for criminal cases?  </p>
<p>Also, are the cell phone coversations, which have become the officer&#8217;s primary link to the public and often other officers,&#8230; are these cell phone calls also recorded?</p>
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		By: Chief Mike Masterson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/08/ombudsman-departure-signals-need-for-police-commission/#comment-59270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chief Mike Masterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to clarify the policy on digital recorders, their use, and retention.  Officers are required by policy to record all &quot;law enforcement contacts&quot;.  There is  a &quot;no deletion&quot; policy, thus no erasing.   Since 2003 all digital recordings have  downloaded onto a server.  Since 2012 they are attached to the case numbered report or if no number exists are simply filed by officer name, date and time. Recordings are not transcribed unless a detective requests them to be.   

Prior to 2003,  Recordings were on &quot;micro-cassette&quot; tapes.  Unless they were crimes I doubt any of the tapes are still around.  

More info on Department policies available to our citizens  at:http://police.cityofboise.org/media/469928/may_2013_bpd_policy_manual_final_redactions_public.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify the policy on digital recorders, their use, and retention.  Officers are required by policy to record all &#8220;law enforcement contacts&#8221;.  There is  a &#8220;no deletion&#8221; policy, thus no erasing.   Since 2003 all digital recordings have  downloaded onto a server.  Since 2012 they are attached to the case numbered report or if no number exists are simply filed by officer name, date and time. Recordings are not transcribed unless a detective requests them to be.   </p>
<p>Prior to 2003,  Recordings were on &#8220;micro-cassette&#8221; tapes.  Unless they were crimes I doubt any of the tapes are still around.  </p>
<p>More info on Department policies available to our citizens  at:<a href="http://police.cityofboise.org/media/469928/may_2013_bpd_policy_manual_final_redactions_public.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://police.cityofboise.org/media/469928/may_2013_bpd_policy_manual_final_redactions_public.pdf</a></p>
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