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	Comments on: Council Should Act Responsibly On Drinking Ordinance	</title>
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		By: Grumpy ole guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/20/council-should-act-responsibly-on-drinking-ordinance/#comment-59597</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The regulators need to re-think this and approach it from the point of view of reality.  If the activity brings in bucks for merchants its OK, but is not when it is illegal.  Or, more simply Establishment = OK, Good / Anti-Establishment = Not OK, Bad.

Simple, easy to remember, not hard to interpret grey zones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The regulators need to re-think this and approach it from the point of view of reality.  If the activity brings in bucks for merchants its OK, but is not when it is illegal.  Or, more simply Establishment = OK, Good / Anti-Establishment = Not OK, Bad.</p>
<p>Simple, easy to remember, not hard to interpret grey zones.</p>
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		By: Dean Gunderson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean Gunderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish it were an unintended consequence. 

The legislators who pushed for this statute were very concerned about student groups on campuses -- there was an Occupy group at ISU in the initial months of the movement (with tents) and one at UofI (without tents) -- and there&#039;s an existing statute that, heretofore, protected Article 1, Section 10 activities on state campuses (on all property owned, or leased, by the State Board of Education). The Idaho Constitution specifically protects peaceful assembly for the the purpose of petitioning for a redress of grievances, instructing legislators, and consultation for the common good (this last one has nothing to do with &quot;elected government&quot; -- and these last two purpose statements are rights unmentioned in the Federal Constitution). 

The passage of 67-1613 was done with maliciously intent -- with an eye towards circumventing the constitution and other existing statutes. Those who voted for it, and the governor who signed it into law, REALLY didn&#039;t want to adhere to their oaths of office.

We quibble about beer and BBQ while our fundamental rights are legislated away. But, I suspect the exemptions for Beer Gardens will be put into place, and the &quot;illegal&quot; cookouts will continue to be ignored, but don&#039;t hold up a sign critical of anything (or speak up for change) -- since this will look suspiciously like you&#039;re trying to take back your (former) rights.

Bread and Circuses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish it were an unintended consequence. </p>
<p>The legislators who pushed for this statute were very concerned about student groups on campuses &#8212; there was an Occupy group at ISU in the initial months of the movement (with tents) and one at UofI (without tents) &#8212; and there&#8217;s an existing statute that, heretofore, protected Article 1, Section 10 activities on state campuses (on all property owned, or leased, by the State Board of Education). The Idaho Constitution specifically protects peaceful assembly for the the purpose of petitioning for a redress of grievances, instructing legislators, and consultation for the common good (this last one has nothing to do with &#8220;elected government&#8221; &#8212; and these last two purpose statements are rights unmentioned in the Federal Constitution). </p>
<p>The passage of 67-1613 was done with maliciously intent &#8212; with an eye towards circumventing the constitution and other existing statutes. Those who voted for it, and the governor who signed it into law, REALLY didn&#8217;t want to adhere to their oaths of office.</p>
<p>We quibble about beer and BBQ while our fundamental rights are legislated away. But, I suspect the exemptions for Beer Gardens will be put into place, and the &#8220;illegal&#8221; cookouts will continue to be ignored, but don&#8217;t hold up a sign critical of anything (or speak up for change) &#8212; since this will look suspiciously like you&#8217;re trying to take back your (former) rights.</p>
<p>Bread and Circuses.</p>
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		By: Casmir		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/20/council-should-act-responsibly-on-drinking-ordinance/#comment-59589</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casmir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ is correct.  Why in the &quot;land of the free&quot; do behavioral puritans and micro-managing do-gooders use the Government to  regulate private behavior that harms or disturbs no one?  Do they even understand or believe in the notion of &quot;freedom&quot;?  Apparently not.  The activities of law enforcement should focus on violent or obnoxious behavior that threatens others, or disturbs the peace.  Drinking alone should not be the issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ is correct.  Why in the &#8220;land of the free&#8221; do behavioral puritans and micro-managing do-gooders use the Government to  regulate private behavior that harms or disturbs no one?  Do they even understand or believe in the notion of &#8220;freedom&#8221;?  Apparently not.  The activities of law enforcement should focus on violent or obnoxious behavior that threatens others, or disturbs the peace.  Drinking alone should not be the issue.</p>
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		By: Flyhead		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/20/council-should-act-responsibly-on-drinking-ordinance/#comment-59584</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flyhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 02:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The law on river floaters and others was a mistake and everyone knows it.  Now the problem is to fess up and kill it off.  We already have enough laws on the books for just about any circumstance you can imagine.  

We are so over-regulated on things it is time to make a hasty retreat to common sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law on river floaters and others was a mistake and everyone knows it.  Now the problem is to fess up and kill it off.  We already have enough laws on the books for just about any circumstance you can imagine.  </p>
<p>We are so over-regulated on things it is time to make a hasty retreat to common sense.</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/20/council-should-act-responsibly-on-drinking-ordinance/#comment-59583</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 02:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The thought police will soon be carrying around ultra-sound analyzers which will measure your body fat to see if you have been eating in moderation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought police will soon be carrying around ultra-sound analyzers which will measure your body fat to see if you have been eating in moderation.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/20/council-should-act-responsibly-on-drinking-ordinance/#comment-59578</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2013 22:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no problem with drinking in the open, including parks.  The problem is being drunk and obnoxious.  We have laws against being inxoticated in public and for disorderly behavior, seems like those laws should suffice, and people should be able to drink in moderation anywhere they want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no problem with drinking in the open, including parks.  The problem is being drunk and obnoxious.  We have laws against being inxoticated in public and for disorderly behavior, seems like those laws should suffice, and people should be able to drink in moderation anywhere they want.</p>
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		By: Dean Gunderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/20/council-should-act-responsibly-on-drinking-ordinance/#comment-59545</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean Gunderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2013 06:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 2012 Legislature wrote, and the Governor enacted under emergency conditions, Idaho Statute 67-1613.

Over the objection of several Senators (Republican &#038; Democrat) and the State Board of Education, the statute did not include an exemption for tailgaters at the state-universities; which would allow them to continue to grill hotdogs and hamburgers on the campuses. Under the definitions of this statute, anyone engaged in cooking food (or making any fire to cook that food) will be engaged in &quot;camping&quot;. Further, since the parking lots on campuses are not &quot;recreational camp grounds&quot; there&#039;s no way the SBOE or the university administrations can craft a temporary exemption for this activity.

So even if a law could be written to permit a fan to throw back a cold one, don&#039;t expect that they can fire up the BBQ -- without committing an infraction.

Of course, BSU&#039;s BPD officers didn&#039;t enforce 67-1613 last season -- so why would anyone expect them to enforce (or ignore) any other law that might inconvenient game-day activities?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2012 Legislature wrote, and the Governor enacted under emergency conditions, Idaho Statute 67-1613.</p>
<p>Over the objection of several Senators (Republican &amp; Democrat) and the State Board of Education, the statute did not include an exemption for tailgaters at the state-universities; which would allow them to continue to grill hotdogs and hamburgers on the campuses. Under the definitions of this statute, anyone engaged in cooking food (or making any fire to cook that food) will be engaged in &#8220;camping&#8221;. Further, since the parking lots on campuses are not &#8220;recreational camp grounds&#8221; there&#8217;s no way the SBOE or the university administrations can craft a temporary exemption for this activity.</p>
<p>So even if a law could be written to permit a fan to throw back a cold one, don&#8217;t expect that they can fire up the BBQ &#8212; without committing an infraction.</p>
<p>Of course, BSU&#8217;s BPD officers didn&#8217;t enforce 67-1613 last season &#8212; so why would anyone expect them to enforce (or ignore) any other law that might inconvenient game-day activities?</p>
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		By: MisterWriter		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/07/20/council-should-act-responsibly-on-drinking-ordinance/#comment-59540</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MisterWriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2013 02:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A law that becomes a redundancy is not a law but a mistake. Regulating the consumption of alcohol should be aimed at uniformly preventing an issue.  When exceptions are in place the law becomes a confusing mess.  It appears this piece of legislation needs to be clear in its goals and not subjectively enhancing the sake of  one venue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A law that becomes a redundancy is not a law but a mistake. Regulating the consumption of alcohol should be aimed at uniformly preventing an issue.  When exceptions are in place the law becomes a confusing mess.  It appears this piece of legislation needs to be clear in its goals and not subjectively enhancing the sake of  one venue.</p>
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