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		By: Cynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/08/19/tradition-of-apathy-in-boise-council-races/#comment-61847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope candidates will emerge against all incumbents. It is possible to file at the last minute and beat an incumbent – it’s been done! And there will e plenty of us who will help the challengers! And that includes help with fundraising.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope candidates will emerge against all incumbents. It is possible to file at the last minute and beat an incumbent – it’s been done! And there will e plenty of us who will help the challengers! And that includes help with fundraising.</p>
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		By: David B. Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B. Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Futile? Thanks mate.
Where were you when I ran for mayor?
You know what, I think I will put my hat in the mix, if I am eligible. Might be a good way to let people get to know me, before I &quot;waste my time&quot; running for Governor. 
Thanks Ed. for those wonderful words of encouragement.

EDITOR NOTE--David, we offer space to any and all candidates to provide a profile and comment on issues.  The GUARDIAN has refrained from endorsing candidates.  Also, our reference to &quot;futile&quot; was honest realism, not a comment on your ability.  If you can win a city council seat, more power to you.  You are not too late to file, but you may be about six months late to raise funds.  Welcome aboard mate!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Futile? Thanks mate.<br />
Where were you when I ran for mayor?<br />
You know what, I think I will put my hat in the mix, if I am eligible. Might be a good way to let people get to know me, before I &#8220;waste my time&#8221; running for Governor.<br />
Thanks Ed. for those wonderful words of encouragement.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;David, we offer space to any and all candidates to provide a profile and comment on issues.  The GUARDIAN has refrained from endorsing candidates.  Also, our reference to &#8220;futile&#8221; was honest realism, not a comment on your ability.  If you can win a city council seat, more power to you.  You are not too late to file, but you may be about six months late to raise funds.  Welcome aboard mate!</p>
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		By: Nan e mouse		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/08/19/tradition-of-apathy-in-boise-council-races/#comment-61799</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nan e mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David.  You can&#039;t be a game changer if you&#039;re never in the game.

Again, start smaller, get some things done, get your name known. Or........follow a pipe dream and stay unelected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David.  You can&#8217;t be a game changer if you&#8217;re never in the game.</p>
<p>Again, start smaller, get some things done, get your name known. Or&#8230;&#8230;..follow a pipe dream and stay unelected.</p>
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		By: David B. Hall		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/08/19/tradition-of-apathy-in-boise-council-races/#comment-61796</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B. Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Arebel You wouldn&#039;t like me anyway, I think for myself without party stings. You seem to think you know all about me, which is why Idaho elections are such a ruin, you want a show-horse, someone that makes ya feel good about yourself. That is why you insist on career politicians and why the US is left waning as a 3rd world nation.

Had you came to any of my forums when running for Mayor, you would know better than to assume you know about my politics or what I bring to the table, and here is where I&#039;m going to be insulting (Unlike all the other kissyourass candidates.)

I have fought against myopic minds like your own for a great portion of my life. You are the type to be lead by the nose just because of some pretty banner from a well recognized name. You don&#039;t want a candidate, you want a popularity contest, so that you&#039;ll feel good about who you&#039;ve voted for because they are the &quot;Right guy&quot; the &quot;Best man&quot; or so the media and your party told you so. But lets really look at all these wonderful candidates y&#039;all have elected in and what they&#039;ve done for this state and its people. 

We are still dead last in just about every category you can fine in measuring States against one another. Last for education, last for public services, last for just about any topic you&#039;d like. And you and those like you are Okay with that, as you&#039;ve continued to place people into these offices who&#039;s motives are purely selfish, leaving this great state to languish in the 1950&#039;s.

I&#039;m here to put an end to the old way, like me or not. I&#039;m not here to win a popularity contest. I&#039;m here to fix this State and help &quot;All&quot; its citizens meet their highest potential. And had you really known me, you would know I am a very unselfish person without much ego to get in the way.

EDITOR NOTE--To David and others.  This post is about a city election, not about a futile attempt to run for Gov.  Future off topic comments will not be posted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arebel You wouldn&#8217;t like me anyway, I think for myself without party stings. You seem to think you know all about me, which is why Idaho elections are such a ruin, you want a show-horse, someone that makes ya feel good about yourself. That is why you insist on career politicians and why the US is left waning as a 3rd world nation.</p>
<p>Had you came to any of my forums when running for Mayor, you would know better than to assume you know about my politics or what I bring to the table, and here is where I&#8217;m going to be insulting (Unlike all the other kissyourass candidates.)</p>
<p>I have fought against myopic minds like your own for a great portion of my life. You are the type to be lead by the nose just because of some pretty banner from a well recognized name. You don&#8217;t want a candidate, you want a popularity contest, so that you&#8217;ll feel good about who you&#8217;ve voted for because they are the &#8220;Right guy&#8221; the &#8220;Best man&#8221; or so the media and your party told you so. But lets really look at all these wonderful candidates y&#8217;all have elected in and what they&#8217;ve done for this state and its people. </p>
<p>We are still dead last in just about every category you can fine in measuring States against one another. Last for education, last for public services, last for just about any topic you&#8217;d like. And you and those like you are Okay with that, as you&#8217;ve continued to place people into these offices who&#8217;s motives are purely selfish, leaving this great state to languish in the 1950&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m here to put an end to the old way, like me or not. I&#8217;m not here to win a popularity contest. I&#8217;m here to fix this State and help &#8220;All&#8221; its citizens meet their highest potential. And had you really known me, you would know I am a very unselfish person without much ego to get in the way.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;To David and others.  This post is about a city election, not about a futile attempt to run for Gov.  Future off topic comments will not be posted.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David B. Hall for president!!!
(-;

(Yeah, I voted for Alf Landon 5 or 6 times.)

I agree with the Guardian - there&#039;s plenty of apathy.  PLUS - Mr. Hall makes a good point.  A lowly city councilor may not be a &quot;game changer.&quot;  They&#039;re not out there making policy speeches, delivering the &quot;State of the ___ Address,&quot; kissing babies, cutting ribbons, flying with the Blue Angels, etc.  Based on my VERY limited exposure, it&#039;s a lot of reviewing applications, digging deep into very tedious policy details, etc., etc., most of the time.  Obviously the personal glory or money isn&#039;t enough reward - you have to have a love and concern for the community.

Another possible reward is increased name recognition, when you decide you want to step up to the next level.  That motivates a lot of candidates, I&#039;m sure.

If people are too apathetic to take 15 minutes to vote on Election Day, it&#039;s certainly no wonder that it&#039;s hard to find quality candidates to make things &quot;interesting.&quot;

My 2 cents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David B. Hall for president!!!<br />
(-;</p>
<p>(Yeah, I voted for Alf Landon 5 or 6 times.)</p>
<p>I agree with the Guardian &#8211; there&#8217;s plenty of apathy.  PLUS &#8211; Mr. Hall makes a good point.  A lowly city councilor may not be a &#8220;game changer.&#8221;  They&#8217;re not out there making policy speeches, delivering the &#8220;State of the ___ Address,&#8221; kissing babies, cutting ribbons, flying with the Blue Angels, etc.  Based on my VERY limited exposure, it&#8217;s a lot of reviewing applications, digging deep into very tedious policy details, etc., etc., most of the time.  Obviously the personal glory or money isn&#8217;t enough reward &#8211; you have to have a love and concern for the community.</p>
<p>Another possible reward is increased name recognition, when you decide you want to step up to the next level.  That motivates a lot of candidates, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>If people are too apathetic to take 15 minutes to vote on Election Day, it&#8217;s certainly no wonder that it&#8217;s hard to find quality candidates to make things &#8220;interesting.&#8221;</p>
<p>My 2 cents.</p>
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		By: Arebel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arebel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David, 
I appreciate your comments. You can be assured that you will not get my vote. You proved to me that you are more interested in running for your own benefit and self satisfaction. Instead of starting &quot;small&quot;, learning to listen to the people and understanding what it takes to win an election. In building your track record as a perpetual candidate you will probably gain a reputation of not being a serious candidate. For myself I&#039;ll vote for the candidate that is willing to listen over the one that already has all the answers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
I appreciate your comments. You can be assured that you will not get my vote. You proved to me that you are more interested in running for your own benefit and self satisfaction. Instead of starting &#8220;small&#8221;, learning to listen to the people and understanding what it takes to win an election. In building your track record as a perpetual candidate you will probably gain a reputation of not being a serious candidate. For myself I&#8217;ll vote for the candidate that is willing to listen over the one that already has all the answers.</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/08/19/tradition-of-apathy-in-boise-council-races/#comment-61773</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Hall It does little good to have great ideas much like the preacher on the street corner talking to people passing by. You need a congregation to get something done. There are other elections in the Treasure Valley where a cup of reality would be a better approach. I am reminded that there are two kinds of people who won&#039;t change their mind--fools and dead men. It is really unbelievable that there are not more people in Boise at least willing to put their name on the ballot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hall It does little good to have great ideas much like the preacher on the street corner talking to people passing by. You need a congregation to get something done. There are other elections in the Treasure Valley where a cup of reality would be a better approach. I am reminded that there are two kinds of people who won&#8217;t change their mind&#8211;fools and dead men. It is really unbelievable that there are not more people in Boise at least willing to put their name on the ballot.</p>
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		By: David B. Hall		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/08/19/tradition-of-apathy-in-boise-council-races/#comment-61739</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B. Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nan, if people stuck to starting small, we would never have made it out of the cave. I ran a clean campaign against Dave Bieter in the last mayoral election and without spending a single cent, I took 26% of the votes tallied.

I have no illusions about my home State of Idaho, nor about how the people here tend to vote (or in most cases, not) I am more interested in gaining a platform to bring an active and honest dialog to those who are willing to participate. Keep in mind, just like this article and its author are trying to point out the intolerant display of apathetic voters in almost every election cycle, not just locally but State wide. Idahoans overall aren&#039;t active in their system of government.

A city counsel seat isn&#039;t a place for a game changer, like myself. That was why I ran for mayor instead of a city counsel seat and why I am running for Governor. There are those that say, &quot;Start small. Take little bites. Work your way up to it.
 
Often it is hard for me to hear those people very well, as I am always too far out ahead, taking the big chances while they stand behind, too timid to have joined me in taking the leaps of faith and the steps of giants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nan, if people stuck to starting small, we would never have made it out of the cave. I ran a clean campaign against Dave Bieter in the last mayoral election and without spending a single cent, I took 26% of the votes tallied.</p>
<p>I have no illusions about my home State of Idaho, nor about how the people here tend to vote (or in most cases, not) I am more interested in gaining a platform to bring an active and honest dialog to those who are willing to participate. Keep in mind, just like this article and its author are trying to point out the intolerant display of apathetic voters in almost every election cycle, not just locally but State wide. Idahoans overall aren&#8217;t active in their system of government.</p>
<p>A city counsel seat isn&#8217;t a place for a game changer, like myself. That was why I ran for mayor instead of a city counsel seat and why I am running for Governor. There are those that say, &#8220;Start small. Take little bites. Work your way up to it.</p>
<p>Often it is hard for me to hear those people very well, as I am always too far out ahead, taking the big chances while they stand behind, too timid to have joined me in taking the leaps of faith and the steps of giants.</p>
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		By: Nan e mouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nan e mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David.  You will have a better chance of winning a council seat.  You have no chance of being governor and I am not saying that out of meanness - it&#039;s just a fact.  

Cutting your teeth on a lesser seat would give you some experience and a platform that the media would cover.  It&#039;s not too late to change your mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David.  You will have a better chance of winning a council seat.  You have no chance of being governor and I am not saying that out of meanness &#8211; it&#8217;s just a fact.  </p>
<p>Cutting your teeth on a lesser seat would give you some experience and a platform that the media would cover.  It&#8217;s not too late to change your mind.</p>
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		By: David B. Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B. Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would have ran for one of these seats but I have bigger fish to fry with running for Governor of Idaho. I wish others were as determined as I am about involving themselves in the process, otherwise we are left with unopposed dictatorships.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have ran for one of these seats but I have bigger fish to fry with running for Governor of Idaho. I wish others were as determined as I am about involving themselves in the process, otherwise we are left with unopposed dictatorships.</p>
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