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		By: foe pa		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foe pa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good gosh.  Are you insinuating motorists are seeking out and hitting bike riders on PURPOSE?  Accidents happen.  There is no grand conspiracy to seek out and destroy pedal pushers.  I have heard it all now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good gosh.  Are you insinuating motorists are seeking out and hitting bike riders on PURPOSE?  Accidents happen.  There is no grand conspiracy to seek out and destroy pedal pushers.  I have heard it all now.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65215</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a sad case and the spin from BG doesn&#039;t help it.   The cyclist was abiding by the law in regards to lights.  We will never know where he was riding, though cyclist do have right to ride in the full right lane of traffic in that area of State Street.  The driver is suspected of drinking and driving, which may of contributed the cyclist losing his life.   This driver potentialy broke at least 3 laws: Felony leaving the scene, DUI and failure of Boise&#039;s 3 feet to pass law.   

Unfortunately we will never know the real story. This is what is call a Single Witness Suicide Swerve in the cycling world.  http://velociped.kempiweb.net/ntvc/2009/07/swss/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a sad case and the spin from BG doesn&#8217;t help it.   The cyclist was abiding by the law in regards to lights.  We will never know where he was riding, though cyclist do have right to ride in the full right lane of traffic in that area of State Street.  The driver is suspected of drinking and driving, which may of contributed the cyclist losing his life.   This driver potentialy broke at least 3 laws: Felony leaving the scene, DUI and failure of Boise&#8217;s 3 feet to pass law.   </p>
<p>Unfortunately we will never know the real story. This is what is call a Single Witness Suicide Swerve in the cycling world.  <a href="http://velociped.kempiweb.net/ntvc/2009/07/swss/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://velociped.kempiweb.net/ntvc/2009/07/swss/</a></p>
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		By: Ducky2206		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65109</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ducky2206]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately it is those bad groups, both bike and motorist, that ruin everything for everyone.  I for one, my personal opinion, believe that cyclist should follow rules of the road. STOP! at Red Lights and at least slow down at stop signs.  As it has been pointed out in other comments they are a moving vehicle not a pedestrian on the road and should act like a moving vehicle.  Until that happens they will be more, lots more, accidents.  I don&#039;t know about the other but I cannot guess what a cyclist is going to do when the approach a stop light or sign.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately it is those bad groups, both bike and motorist, that ruin everything for everyone.  I for one, my personal opinion, believe that cyclist should follow rules of the road. STOP! at Red Lights and at least slow down at stop signs.  As it has been pointed out in other comments they are a moving vehicle not a pedestrian on the road and should act like a moving vehicle.  Until that happens they will be more, lots more, accidents.  I don&#8217;t know about the other but I cannot guess what a cyclist is going to do when the approach a stop light or sign.</p>
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		By: The Speckled Hen		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65091</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Speckled Hen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Sep 2013 03:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Instead of tickets, some PDs work with non-profits to stop bicyclists who are riding without lights and use non-profit contributions to give them a light along with a safe riding guide. It&#039;s more effective than expecting a dependent rider (one who doesn&#039;t have a car) to spend $30 on a light or more on a moving violation.

EDITOR NOTE--I actually had a half dozen tiny red flashers that I did exactly as you suggest.  Have one left.  The cost less than $1 each.  Hard to even give away because bikers think motorists are the enemy.  One woman actually pulled her cell phone and threatened to call 911 if I didn&#039;t leave her alone as I offered the safety light.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of tickets, some PDs work with non-profits to stop bicyclists who are riding without lights and use non-profit contributions to give them a light along with a safe riding guide. It&#8217;s more effective than expecting a dependent rider (one who doesn&#8217;t have a car) to spend $30 on a light or more on a moving violation.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;I actually had a half dozen tiny red flashers that I did exactly as you suggest.  Have one left.  The cost less than $1 each.  Hard to even give away because bikers think motorists are the enemy.  One woman actually pulled her cell phone and threatened to call 911 if I didn&#8217;t leave her alone as I offered the safety light.</p>
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		By: foe pa		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65083</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foe pa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Sep 2013 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree completely, WOW. With your understanding of survival, and from what I have personally witnessed, the average bike rider simply assumes that cars will stop and that he as a bike rider is omnipotent.  Common sense dictates WOW...like it or not.  Sounds like you are typical of the riders in Boise though...attitudinal, confrontational and ready for battle to maintain your perception of &quot;rights&quot; on the street.  So what good will your rights do you lying in a gutter after you run the stop sign in all your arrogance....as that 16 year old texts and runs it as well.  Keep your arrogance where it belongs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree completely, WOW. With your understanding of survival, and from what I have personally witnessed, the average bike rider simply assumes that cars will stop and that he as a bike rider is omnipotent.  Common sense dictates WOW&#8230;like it or not.  Sounds like you are typical of the riders in Boise though&#8230;attitudinal, confrontational and ready for battle to maintain your perception of &#8220;rights&#8221; on the street.  So what good will your rights do you lying in a gutter after you run the stop sign in all your arrogance&#8230;.as that 16 year old texts and runs it as well.  Keep your arrogance where it belongs.</p>
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		By: Dave Frazier		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65076</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Frazier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WOW, I don&#039;t disagree with anything you say.  However, if you ride a bike like you sound in print, you don&#039;t make a very good case for friendly co-existance on the highway.

No one knows what happened in the accident, but my guess is it will be easy to convict the driver of &quot;leaving the scene,&quot; but difficult to convict for manslaughter.  I looked at the scene and chances are good the bike swerved, tipped, or otherwise ended up in the path of the car due to the construction obstacles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, I don&#8217;t disagree with anything you say.  However, if you ride a bike like you sound in print, you don&#8217;t make a very good case for friendly co-existance on the highway.</p>
<p>No one knows what happened in the accident, but my guess is it will be easy to convict the driver of &#8220;leaving the scene,&#8221; but difficult to convict for manslaughter.  I looked at the scene and chances are good the bike swerved, tipped, or otherwise ended up in the path of the car due to the construction obstacles.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65066</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Foe pa!

Read the laws on bikes and what they do or dont have to do at stop lights or stop signs! Ignorant!

Stops lights: must stop and then can proceed.
Stop signs: Dont have to stop!

The bike rider losing in this scenario is your logic? Stupid... The cars driver is feeling like no winner I assure you!

Be safe! This us vs. them is not going to keep anyone out of jail or the cemetery! So you have to lose 10 seconds getting somewhere in your car to safely go around a cyclist... seems worth a life doesnt it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foe pa!</p>
<p>Read the laws on bikes and what they do or dont have to do at stop lights or stop signs! Ignorant!</p>
<p>Stops lights: must stop and then can proceed.<br />
Stop signs: Dont have to stop!</p>
<p>The bike rider losing in this scenario is your logic? Stupid&#8230; The cars driver is feeling like no winner I assure you!</p>
<p>Be safe! This us vs. them is not going to keep anyone out of jail or the cemetery! So you have to lose 10 seconds getting somewhere in your car to safely go around a cyclist&#8230; seems worth a life doesnt it?</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow... These comments are truly amazing. 

If your driving a car, you are responsible for those things that are accruing in your lane of travel and ahead. If its dark and rainy then drive slower. If there is a cyclist in the lane ahead then slow down until there is room to safely pass. Bikes are vehicles... and the sooner car drivers understand that they have no exclusive rights to the lanes of travel, the safer everyone will be! This person who hit and ran and killed a person on his bike, whom had every right to be utilizing the lanes of travel, will soon find out that he is guilty of manslaughter! If someone is in the road, bike, pedestrian, horseback... you cannot run them over because you think that cars and only cars are allowed to utilize the lanes of travel. Guilty, guilty, guilty!

And those of you who cannot grasp the concept that cars do not have priority or exclusivity of roadways are absolutely mistaken!!
You should be treating anyone using the lane of travel just as you would another car! Or find yourselves in the position of the driver of this vehicle.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; These comments are truly amazing. </p>
<p>If your driving a car, you are responsible for those things that are accruing in your lane of travel and ahead. If its dark and rainy then drive slower. If there is a cyclist in the lane ahead then slow down until there is room to safely pass. Bikes are vehicles&#8230; and the sooner car drivers understand that they have no exclusive rights to the lanes of travel, the safer everyone will be! This person who hit and ran and killed a person on his bike, whom had every right to be utilizing the lanes of travel, will soon find out that he is guilty of manslaughter! If someone is in the road, bike, pedestrian, horseback&#8230; you cannot run them over because you think that cars and only cars are allowed to utilize the lanes of travel. Guilty, guilty, guilty!</p>
<p>And those of you who cannot grasp the concept that cars do not have priority or exclusivity of roadways are absolutely mistaken!!<br />
You should be treating anyone using the lane of travel just as you would another car! Or find yourselves in the position of the driver of this vehicle.</p>
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		By: foe pa		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/09/26/bike-death-prompts-safety-reminder/#comment-65035</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foe pa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bike riding in Boise is almost taking  on a cult like status.  One can&#039;t ride a bike here unless the bike costs 2000 bucks and the rider must wear 1500 bucks in the finest equipment.  The other extreme here is the perpetual suspended license candidate who now is relegated to riding his 1977 Schwinn to Jacksons to pick up the brew.  Either way, no member of either group abides by any traffic laws....blown red lights and stop signs, riding on sidewalks when needed or streets as desired, in traffic or against traffic.  And GOD forbid a car driver beep his horn or other wise call the bike rider on his behavior....you may wind up with the &quot;accidental&quot; handlebar scrape along the side of the car or a beautiful piece of mucus blown at the window.  At the very least the middle finger will be displayed prominently.  We all must remember that the bicyclists rule the road here........this unfortunate death is an example however of what really happens when either party decides to ignore the rules...the bike rider will almost always lose.  Political correctness can not defeat the laws of physics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike riding in Boise is almost taking  on a cult like status.  One can&#8217;t ride a bike here unless the bike costs 2000 bucks and the rider must wear 1500 bucks in the finest equipment.  The other extreme here is the perpetual suspended license candidate who now is relegated to riding his 1977 Schwinn to Jacksons to pick up the brew.  Either way, no member of either group abides by any traffic laws&#8230;.blown red lights and stop signs, riding on sidewalks when needed or streets as desired, in traffic or against traffic.  And GOD forbid a car driver beep his horn or other wise call the bike rider on his behavior&#8230;.you may wind up with the &#8220;accidental&#8221; handlebar scrape along the side of the car or a beautiful piece of mucus blown at the window.  At the very least the middle finger will be displayed prominently.  We all must remember that the bicyclists rule the road here&#8230;&#8230;..this unfortunate death is an example however of what really happens when either party decides to ignore the rules&#8230;the bike rider will almost always lose.  Political correctness can not defeat the laws of physics.</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zippo wants to tax something? Anything?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zippo wants to tax something? Anything?</p>
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