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		By: sal nez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sal nez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do your researcch Rick, Ombudsman Office, even with Murphy gone, is up and running. Has and always has had 3 investigators or more. For a guy that was a reserve cop, sounds like its bitter sweet with you, must have been disciplined a few times for your errors in judgement huh? Anyways, enough of this, you will always have your beliefs and rest of us ours, so enjoy life and press on!

EDITOR NOTE--Ok, we&#039;re done with cop bashing and baiting. Moving on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do your researcch Rick, Ombudsman Office, even with Murphy gone, is up and running. Has and always has had 3 investigators or more. For a guy that was a reserve cop, sounds like its bitter sweet with you, must have been disciplined a few times for your errors in judgement huh? Anyways, enough of this, you will always have your beliefs and rest of us ours, so enjoy life and press on!</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Ok, we&#8217;re done with cop bashing and baiting. Moving on&#8230;</p>
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		By: Rick		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/10/15/lady-copper-needs-to-apologize/#comment-66613</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stand corrected.. I took the numbers directly from BPD&#039;s sight which gives ranges. I averaged the Sgt pay and took bottom end for new recruit. Your numbers make it even worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected.. I took the numbers directly from BPD&#8217;s sight which gives ranges. I averaged the Sgt pay and took bottom end for new recruit. Your numbers make it even worse.</p>
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		By: Rick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually Sal I said they need to hire 3. Internal affairs, the rubber stamp division of the dept. even worse if that is possible than an ombudsman who is an ex cop. I think that every traffic stop, hell every interaction that happens between LE and a citizen should be at least audio recorded and preferably video recorded by an independent entity so it will not be erased. LOL get off my high horse… I have been a cop… albeit a reserve and I’ve been under your so called microscope. If these individuals do not have what it takes to do the job professionally and with oversight then they need to find another line of work. Instances like this prove that LE needs much more supervision. As to your “guess” you would be dead wrong, but it goes to show that you cops are pathetically narrow minded. Why do you all believe that anyone who thinks you need keepers has to be either on probation or parole? You did get one thing right though, I do not qualify, I’m too old and have had too many knee surgeries.  

Stephen
I wonder why, you wonder why I do not like the actions of this cop. Everyone should be appaled by the actions of this cop. I am sure you like all of your kind feel that anyone who wants some adult supervision for LE has to be on probation or parole an idea that is so ludicrous it is as most of your points are is a joke. I believe exactly that he was expecting to see a breach of the drivers civil rights. What he got was an up close video of the attempted breaching of at least 2 of his civil rights, plus he was harassed, and “battered”. On those points there is no discussion they are documented facts, watch the tape.
Why do I feel they need oversight, hum, if a cop with 23 years of service tries things like this when she knows she is being filmed what goes on when the camera is not rolling. Cops do these things because they know they will not be reined in by their supervision so the public has to take the reins and hold these guys accountable. Am I from here… yes, I have live in the valley since 1984, with the exception of when uncle sam moved me. How long have you been here? How long have you been a cop?

You say it’s a thank less job, again what a joke. A BPD Sgt’s pay “averaged” is $78660 a year, look at the BPD site and do the math if you do not believe me. She gets 78 thousand thank you’s every year. A cop in the academy gets over 40 thousand thank you’s every year pretty good for a job that requires no college degree and no experience. You guys need to do your job and quit whining about how people do not like us. The public, according to you should not want to insure they are getting their money’s worth. Put on your big boy pants do your job correctly and quit violating peoples right because you don’t “feel” safe. Most people who get pulled over by a cop don’t feel say either. If your that big a chicken s-it get into another line of work. You’ve got at least one gun, a tazer, pepper spray, an ASP, a bullet proof vest and probably 3 or 4 knives, you have every advantage and yet you still whine and cry. Wal-mart will hire people with the same amount of education and experience, but they will expect a lot more in the way of customer service, so that might not be a good fit either.

EDITOR NOTE--Rick, you are off a bit on the salary.  Latest info we got is Sgt. Makes $93K and a 20 yr. corporal gets $88,000.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Sal I said they need to hire 3. Internal affairs, the rubber stamp division of the dept. even worse if that is possible than an ombudsman who is an ex cop. I think that every traffic stop, hell every interaction that happens between LE and a citizen should be at least audio recorded and preferably video recorded by an independent entity so it will not be erased. LOL get off my high horse… I have been a cop… albeit a reserve and I’ve been under your so called microscope. If these individuals do not have what it takes to do the job professionally and with oversight then they need to find another line of work. Instances like this prove that LE needs much more supervision. As to your “guess” you would be dead wrong, but it goes to show that you cops are pathetically narrow minded. Why do you all believe that anyone who thinks you need keepers has to be either on probation or parole? You did get one thing right though, I do not qualify, I’m too old and have had too many knee surgeries.  </p>
<p>Stephen<br />
I wonder why, you wonder why I do not like the actions of this cop. Everyone should be appaled by the actions of this cop. I am sure you like all of your kind feel that anyone who wants some adult supervision for LE has to be on probation or parole an idea that is so ludicrous it is as most of your points are is a joke. I believe exactly that he was expecting to see a breach of the drivers civil rights. What he got was an up close video of the attempted breaching of at least 2 of his civil rights, plus he was harassed, and “battered”. On those points there is no discussion they are documented facts, watch the tape.<br />
Why do I feel they need oversight, hum, if a cop with 23 years of service tries things like this when she knows she is being filmed what goes on when the camera is not rolling. Cops do these things because they know they will not be reined in by their supervision so the public has to take the reins and hold these guys accountable. Am I from here… yes, I have live in the valley since 1984, with the exception of when uncle sam moved me. How long have you been here? How long have you been a cop?</p>
<p>You say it’s a thank less job, again what a joke. A BPD Sgt’s pay “averaged” is $78660 a year, look at the BPD site and do the math if you do not believe me. She gets 78 thousand thank you’s every year. A cop in the academy gets over 40 thousand thank you’s every year pretty good for a job that requires no college degree and no experience. You guys need to do your job and quit whining about how people do not like us. The public, according to you should not want to insure they are getting their money’s worth. Put on your big boy pants do your job correctly and quit violating peoples right because you don’t “feel” safe. Most people who get pulled over by a cop don’t feel say either. If your that big a chicken s-it get into another line of work. You’ve got at least one gun, a tazer, pepper spray, an ASP, a bullet proof vest and probably 3 or 4 knives, you have every advantage and yet you still whine and cry. Wal-mart will hire people with the same amount of education and experience, but they will expect a lot more in the way of customer service, so that might not be a good fit either.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Rick, you are off a bit on the salary.  Latest info we got is Sgt. Makes $93K and a 20 yr. corporal gets $88,000.</p>
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		By: Kathy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lady looks like a dude...]]></description>
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		By: Rick		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/10/15/lady-copper-needs-to-apologize/#comment-66600</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen
 So you believe that because one did wrong all are wanting to do wrong.... No I know you are a cop. I will bebunk some of your previous comment it a bit... stand by]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen<br />
 So you believe that because one did wrong all are wanting to do wrong&#8230;. No I know you are a cop. I will bebunk some of your previous comment it a bit&#8230; stand by</p>
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		By: Interested Citizen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The popos have become quite imaginative regarding &quot;probable cause&quot;.  They imagine that it exists in nearly any case!

A related issue and problem is that the local governmental entities and cities crave the fines that the popos, prosecutors, and judges can coerce out of the hapless citizens that can get caught up in their nefarious and scurrilous schemes.

The police departments tag team with the prosecutors, who tag team with the judges, to coerce and extract monies from both guilty and innocent defendants.

It has become a self-serving and gluttonous monster that masquerades as “public safety”.

It is spinning out of control as the craving for the resultant fines revenues escalates with the crumbling of municipal budgets and finances.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The popos have become quite imaginative regarding &#8220;probable cause&#8221;.  They imagine that it exists in nearly any case!</p>
<p>A related issue and problem is that the local governmental entities and cities crave the fines that the popos, prosecutors, and judges can coerce out of the hapless citizens that can get caught up in their nefarious and scurrilous schemes.</p>
<p>The police departments tag team with the prosecutors, who tag team with the judges, to coerce and extract monies from both guilty and innocent defendants.</p>
<p>It has become a self-serving and gluttonous monster that masquerades as “public safety”.</p>
<p>It is spinning out of control as the craving for the resultant fines revenues escalates with the crumbling of municipal budgets and finances.</p>
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		By: Shoogi		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2013/10/15/lady-copper-needs-to-apologize/#comment-66577</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shoogi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You say a search by &quot;your definition...&quot; What you really mean is by the definition of that pesky old US Constitution! It always seems to get in the way of people who want to impose on me their idea of what is best for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say a search by &#8220;your definition&#8230;&#8221; What you really mean is by the definition of that pesky old US Constitution! It always seems to get in the way of people who want to impose on me their idea of what is best for me.</p>
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		By: Stephen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For all you who feel that an officers job is so simple please read this. (Hope the link works) 

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/ohio-trooper-who-gave-murder-suspects-ride-demoted

I happened upon it and couldn&#039;t help but think about the folks on here that want to over-simplify what officers do for a living. Sure Seim was just a guy with a cellphone camera. These two were just a couple of teenagers with a broken down vehicle. This officer did what you all seem to want all officers to do, just blindly believe that there aren&#039;t really bad people out there. You want to know who wishes an officer would search someone based on training and rules, the family of that guy at the truck stop who these kids killed. By your definition a search of these kids would have violated their civil rights as the officer had no right to search them or ask for identification. One keystroke kept the license plate from alerting the officer so he just thought he was being a good person by helping out. Seems like you all are placing officers in a damned if you do and damned if you don&#039;t situation, but you know that already don&#039;t you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all you who feel that an officers job is so simple please read this. (Hope the link works) </p>
<p><a href="http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/ohio-trooper-who-gave-murder-suspects-ride-demoted" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/ohio-trooper-who-gave-murder-suspects-ride-demoted</a></p>
<p>I happened upon it and couldn&#8217;t help but think about the folks on here that want to over-simplify what officers do for a living. Sure Seim was just a guy with a cellphone camera. These two were just a couple of teenagers with a broken down vehicle. This officer did what you all seem to want all officers to do, just blindly believe that there aren&#8217;t really bad people out there. You want to know who wishes an officer would search someone based on training and rules, the family of that guy at the truck stop who these kids killed. By your definition a search of these kids would have violated their civil rights as the officer had no right to search them or ask for identification. One keystroke kept the license plate from alerting the officer so he just thought he was being a good person by helping out. Seems like you all are placing officers in a damned if you do and damned if you don&#8217;t situation, but you know that already don&#8217;t you.</p>
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		By: Jorge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not agree that it is merely a simple apology moment.  The BG is opining as if this is an isolated matter and it is not.  The BG ought to expand it&#039;s report to post the awards to the victims of the Boise PD and it&#039;s not pretty.  This officer should be obligated to complete a civics course focusing on constitutional studies.  I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass how many years of service or her reputation.  she works for the citizens.  This demonstrates how irrelevant years of service is.  It&#039;s only relevant to the adoring fans of authority.  If her expertise is to exemplary why did she bother with accosting a bystander?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree that it is merely a simple apology moment.  The BG is opining as if this is an isolated matter and it is not.  The BG ought to expand it&#8217;s report to post the awards to the victims of the Boise PD and it&#8217;s not pretty.  This officer should be obligated to complete a civics course focusing on constitutional studies.  I don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass how many years of service or her reputation.  she works for the citizens.  This demonstrates how irrelevant years of service is.  It&#8217;s only relevant to the adoring fans of authority.  If her expertise is to exemplary why did she bother with accosting a bystander?</p>
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		By: Sal Nez		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear alleged Interested Citizen, go to the Ombudsman website. You can review his reports for the past few years and count how many sustained complaints there are. Also, Internal Affairs release statistics yearly, and as I recall they sustained a higher percentage then the Ombudsman did!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear alleged Interested Citizen, go to the Ombudsman website. You can review his reports for the past few years and count how many sustained complaints there are. Also, Internal Affairs release statistics yearly, and as I recall they sustained a higher percentage then the Ombudsman did!</p>
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