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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clearly TeamDave is on to a grand idea:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/21/small-western-towns-to-lose-amtrak-service-if-states-cant-pay-up/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly TeamDave is on to a grand idea:  <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/21/small-western-towns-to-lose-amtrak-service-if-states-cant-pay-up/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/21/small-western-towns-to-lose-amtrak-service-if-states-cant-pay-up/</a></p>
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		By: Chuck Woods		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 01:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boise is the only city of it&#039;s sizeI have seen with such a large bike riding population. If you take the time to talk to some of the riders, you will find that in addition to the multi-colored team riders, there are many many commuters. A surprising number of the commuters use bikes as their primary transportation. Quite a few don&#039;t even own cars because they cannot afford them. 

As an occasional bike rider, and a frequent car driver in the downtown, I can tell you anything that would encourage safety is welcome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boise is the only city of it&#8217;s sizeI have seen with such a large bike riding population. If you take the time to talk to some of the riders, you will find that in addition to the multi-colored team riders, there are many many commuters. A surprising number of the commuters use bikes as their primary transportation. Quite a few don&#8217;t even own cars because they cannot afford them. </p>
<p>As an occasional bike rider, and a frequent car driver in the downtown, I can tell you anything that would encourage safety is welcome.</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 18:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cynic: In 20 years (or less) Bogus will no longer be a ski hill. Maybe, some years it&#039;ll open for a few weeks for ol&#039; time&#039;s sake. The face has been barely skiable for a few weeks this year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynic: In 20 years (or less) Bogus will no longer be a ski hill. Maybe, some years it&#8217;ll open for a few weeks for ol&#8217; time&#8217;s sake. The face has been barely skiable for a few weeks this year.</p>
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		By: Boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clancy: Thanks for the links. I&#039;m almost willing to give it a shot, seriously. What&#039;s the worst that could happen? I get to say I told you so for 20 years like I do about the Curtis Extension?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clancy: Thanks for the links. I&#8217;m almost willing to give it a shot, seriously. What&#8217;s the worst that could happen? I get to say I told you so for 20 years like I do about the Curtis Extension?</p>
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		By: Boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zippo: Good one. I&#039;ve had the feeling for a while that downtown is becoming sort of a watered down Rodeo Drive. Boise does have some tourist charms, it&#039;s got that all american small town feel, something that&#039;s disappearing from many cities. Didn&#039;t Idaho used to run a tourist ad campaign- &quot;Idaho is what America Was.&quot;

Regarding adding 1500&#039; to Bogus, you&#039;re spot on. Where do we get the fill? The Boise River. Over the years flood control has allowed many islands to build up. Ironically, those islands reduce channel capacity adding to flood potential.

All we need to do is scour the river bed and truck the material to the top of the South Face and dump it over. It&#039;s not like the South Face gets much use anyway. In a few hundred years we&#039;ll have our raised Bogus. As a bonus it could produce a better kayak run down the entire river  from Barber to Caldwell and help reduce tuber traffic congestion.

Also, when we tear down the 4 Snake River dams and all the Columbia dams that concrete has to go somewhere. I say dump it down the South Face. Grand Coulee alone could add 200&#039; to 300&#039; to the top of Bogus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zippo: Good one. I&#8217;ve had the feeling for a while that downtown is becoming sort of a watered down Rodeo Drive. Boise does have some tourist charms, it&#8217;s got that all american small town feel, something that&#8217;s disappearing from many cities. Didn&#8217;t Idaho used to run a tourist ad campaign- &#8220;Idaho is what America Was.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding adding 1500&#8242; to Bogus, you&#8217;re spot on. Where do we get the fill? The Boise River. Over the years flood control has allowed many islands to build up. Ironically, those islands reduce channel capacity adding to flood potential.</p>
<p>All we need to do is scour the river bed and truck the material to the top of the South Face and dump it over. It&#8217;s not like the South Face gets much use anyway. In a few hundred years we&#8217;ll have our raised Bogus. As a bonus it could produce a better kayak run down the entire river  from Barber to Caldwell and help reduce tuber traffic congestion.</p>
<p>Also, when we tear down the 4 Snake River dams and all the Columbia dams that concrete has to go somewhere. I say dump it down the South Face. Grand Coulee alone could add 200&#8242; to 300&#8242; to the top of Bogus.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s what TeamDave is doing:  

They are trying to capture some of the spill-over from the over-priced resort towns in CO, UT, CA, NV.  These places are so expensive, only 1:100,000 families can afford to own there.

TeamDave knows Boise is failing due to massive loss of high-wage jobs.  If they want to keep spending tax money like drunken sailors, they must turn Boise into a tourist destination where rich people will keep one of their two or more homes.  The ultra rich are not interested, but the millionaires who can&#039;t afford Vail/SunValley might be.

So TeamDave needs to give Boise that Vail/Sun Valley feel to attract the rich.

This great idea will fall flat however, until a massive tramway runs from Boise Airport to Bogus (this is why all the extra parking at the airport).  Also Bogus needs to be expanded into a massive four season fun-zone for granola people.

The resort in Donnelly failed because of transportation isolation, Sun Valley is also limited by this with a crummy airport location/size.  Boise is extremely accessible, and simply needs another 1500 ft. of elevation on the mountain.  TeamDave is writing a grant to have our mountain raised by Obama.  TeamDave promised Obama the Idaho vote in 2016 by adding 30,000 more refugees to the bench.  Ada county, and therefore Idaho, will vote Democrat again.

It&#039;s the similar concept to attracting the over-paid Californians to Eagle a few years ago.  Now that those folks are bankrupt, TeamDave needs a new group to feed off of.

EDITOR NOTE--You are 10 days late on this April Fool post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what TeamDave is doing:  </p>
<p>They are trying to capture some of the spill-over from the over-priced resort towns in CO, UT, CA, NV.  These places are so expensive, only 1:100,000 families can afford to own there.</p>
<p>TeamDave knows Boise is failing due to massive loss of high-wage jobs.  If they want to keep spending tax money like drunken sailors, they must turn Boise into a tourist destination where rich people will keep one of their two or more homes.  The ultra rich are not interested, but the millionaires who can&#8217;t afford Vail/SunValley might be.</p>
<p>So TeamDave needs to give Boise that Vail/Sun Valley feel to attract the rich.</p>
<p>This great idea will fall flat however, until a massive tramway runs from Boise Airport to Bogus (this is why all the extra parking at the airport).  Also Bogus needs to be expanded into a massive four season fun-zone for granola people.</p>
<p>The resort in Donnelly failed because of transportation isolation, Sun Valley is also limited by this with a crummy airport location/size.  Boise is extremely accessible, and simply needs another 1500 ft. of elevation on the mountain.  TeamDave is writing a grant to have our mountain raised by Obama.  TeamDave promised Obama the Idaho vote in 2016 by adding 30,000 more refugees to the bench.  Ada county, and therefore Idaho, will vote Democrat again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the similar concept to attracting the over-paid Californians to Eagle a few years ago.  Now that those folks are bankrupt, TeamDave needs a new group to feed off of.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;You are 10 days late on this April Fool post.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I realize NYC and Boise are very different but this information is pretty enlightening as to what happens when protected bike lanes are installed.  Overall cycling is up in these areas, in NYC 200-300%.  Sidewalk cyclist almost become non-existent and do speeding motorist. Even with the road diets, traffic volume remains the same.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/20110120_ppw.pdf

While traffic volume remains level, the amount of congestion may rise but not signifigantly.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bike-lanes-dont-cause-traffic-jams-if-youre-smart-about-where-you-build-them/#fn-1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize NYC and Boise are very different but this information is pretty enlightening as to what happens when protected bike lanes are installed.  Overall cycling is up in these areas, in NYC 200-300%.  Sidewalk cyclist almost become non-existent and do speeding motorist. Even with the road diets, traffic volume remains the same.<br />
<a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/20110120_ppw.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/20110120_ppw.pdf</a></p>
<p>While traffic volume remains level, the amount of congestion may rise but not signifigantly.<br />
<a href="http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bike-lanes-dont-cause-traffic-jams-if-youre-smart-about-where-you-build-them/#fn-1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bike-lanes-dont-cause-traffic-jams-if-youre-smart-about-where-you-build-them/#fn-1</a></p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 03:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rabula, the courthouse is a terrible example of crosswalks.  One, it is a terrible design of the building to begin with. 

You are certainly right about the yielding to pedestrians, but ACHD has gone off and screwed that up IMO.  Someone asked for a sign or button crosswalk and they get it. 

  When there is a &quot;stop when occupied sign&quot; people are more likely to obey IT. That makes them more likely to ignore the law when there is not a sign-well there wasn&#039;t a sign there.  There should not be any &quot;reminder&quot; signs at any intersection. IT&quot;S THE LAW.  But it&#039;s also very dangerous when the 1 do-gooder stops for the ped, the ped walks into the street while talking on their phone and ignores the second lane of traffic.  

Crosswalk reminder signs are like putting a reminder sign next to a red stop sign. &quot;It&#039;s the law to stop here&quot; Dumb, a waste of money and counterproductive to the objective.   

Enforcement. And also enforcement jaywalking downtown as well... but jaywalking doesn&#039;t pay like DUIs,  so BPD is too busy following cars out of downtown waiting for them to not signal a lane change.  
Back on topic-- downtown plan.. oh yeah.  Maybe BPD could help with &quot;the plan&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rabula, the courthouse is a terrible example of crosswalks.  One, it is a terrible design of the building to begin with. </p>
<p>You are certainly right about the yielding to pedestrians, but ACHD has gone off and screwed that up IMO.  Someone asked for a sign or button crosswalk and they get it. </p>
<p>  When there is a &#8220;stop when occupied sign&#8221; people are more likely to obey IT. That makes them more likely to ignore the law when there is not a sign-well there wasn&#8217;t a sign there.  There should not be any &#8220;reminder&#8221; signs at any intersection. IT&#8221;S THE LAW.  But it&#8217;s also very dangerous when the 1 do-gooder stops for the ped, the ped walks into the street while talking on their phone and ignores the second lane of traffic.  </p>
<p>Crosswalk reminder signs are like putting a reminder sign next to a red stop sign. &#8220;It&#8217;s the law to stop here&#8221; Dumb, a waste of money and counterproductive to the objective.   </p>
<p>Enforcement. And also enforcement jaywalking downtown as well&#8230; but jaywalking doesn&#8217;t pay like DUIs,  so BPD is too busy following cars out of downtown waiting for them to not signal a lane change.<br />
Back on topic&#8211; downtown plan.. oh yeah.  Maybe BPD could help with &#8220;the plan&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Foothills Rider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foothills Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cynic, your reply to me &quot;All the good intentions in the world aren’t going to eliminate the thousands of commuters who work downtown and drive from afar. It’s the opposite of build it and they will come, it’s remove it and they will leave. They being cars.&quot; 

We&#039;re saying the same thing...&#039;build it and they will come&#039; is a metaphor for incorrectly  designing/forming first, hoping for a specific outcome or functionality secondarily (the correct, albeit old adage is &quot;form follows function&quot;). Designing in hopes of luring more bike commuters and walkers while supposedly eliminating cars is the same.  It&#039;s backward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynic, your reply to me &#8220;All the good intentions in the world aren’t going to eliminate the thousands of commuters who work downtown and drive from afar. It’s the opposite of build it and they will come, it’s remove it and they will leave. They being cars.&#8221; </p>
<p>We&#8217;re saying the same thing&#8230;&#8217;build it and they will come&#8217; is a metaphor for incorrectly  designing/forming first, hoping for a specific outcome or functionality secondarily (the correct, albeit old adage is &#8220;form follows function&#8221;). Designing in hopes of luring more bike commuters and walkers while supposedly eliminating cars is the same.  It&#8217;s backward.</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the city truly cared about encouraging walkers, the state&#039;s crosswalk law would be enforced. To wit: Wherever there is a roadway intersection, there are crosswalks, whether painted on the pavement or not. Imagine extensions of the sidewalks into and across the roadway, even where there are no actual sidewalks. If the inersection is not signalized, pedestrians have the right of way in a crosswalk, whether marked or not. While a pedestrian cannot jump in front of a vehicle, once she steps off the curb and the auto has a reasonable distance to stop, the driver by law is required to do so.

Few Boise drivers behave as if they know this rule. In cities where this law is enforced—Moscow comes to mind—it is observed and crossing the street is much more pleasant. I have never seen a driver in Boise pulled over for not yielding to a pedestrian. 

In Boise the bias is toward motorized traffic. A good example, since corrected by signalizing the intersection, was for the first few years after the new courthouse was built, there were signs prohibiting the use of the Front/2nd St. crosswalks and directing pedestrians to walk a blocktwo blocks out of their way to cross Front! There are numerous other examples.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the city truly cared about encouraging walkers, the state&#8217;s crosswalk law would be enforced. To wit: Wherever there is a roadway intersection, there are crosswalks, whether painted on the pavement or not. Imagine extensions of the sidewalks into and across the roadway, even where there are no actual sidewalks. If the inersection is not signalized, pedestrians have the right of way in a crosswalk, whether marked or not. While a pedestrian cannot jump in front of a vehicle, once she steps off the curb and the auto has a reasonable distance to stop, the driver by law is required to do so.</p>
<p>Few Boise drivers behave as if they know this rule. In cities where this law is enforced—Moscow comes to mind—it is observed and crossing the street is much more pleasant. I have never seen a driver in Boise pulled over for not yielding to a pedestrian. </p>
<p>In Boise the bias is toward motorized traffic. A good example, since corrected by signalizing the intersection, was for the first few years after the new courthouse was built, there were signs prohibiting the use of the Front/2nd St. crosswalks and directing pedestrians to walk a blocktwo blocks out of their way to cross Front! There are numerous other examples.</p>
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