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		By: soccergr8		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2014/06/16/gardner-courts-bsu-for-tax-exempt-space/#comment-97323</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[soccergr8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2014 05:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any new update to this BG now that this has been approved and more details shared?

EDITOR NOTE--Looks like more tax-exempt space in the commercial building.  Wise move for Gardner to pay BSU $1,000,000 advance in the form of a scholarship fund.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any new update to this BG now that this has been approved and more details shared?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Looks like more tax-exempt space in the commercial building.  Wise move for Gardner to pay BSU $1,000,000 advance in the form of a scholarship fund.</p>
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		By: Rick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 01:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lex... Im confused... revenue streams? Please explain how?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex&#8230; Im confused&#8230; revenue streams? Please explain how?</p>
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		By: Lex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The further BSU expands the bigger the BSU &quot;kingdom&quot; becomes and the more &quot;integrated&quot; they get into more revenue streams.

Much like the St Luke&#039;s strategy....get bigger and bigger so you control more and get more. Pretty simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The further BSU expands the bigger the BSU &#8220;kingdom&#8221; becomes and the more &#8220;integrated&#8221; they get into more revenue streams.</p>
<p>Much like the St Luke&#8217;s strategy&#8230;.get bigger and bigger so you control more and get more. Pretty simple.</p>
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		By: Boisebiker		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2014/06/16/gardner-courts-bsu-for-tax-exempt-space/#comment-96105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boisebiker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave, you present this as a one-sided sale by Gardner. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the case at all. If BSU had no interest in the deal, it would just say no thanks. The fact that the University is pursuing this, makes me think that your analysis of the situation is a little too slanted. Isn&#039;t it possible that the tax revenue lost in the building is made up for by the avoidance of tax costs for university facilities?

EDITOR NOTE--No slant on this at all.  Details of WHEN the condo sale becomes tax exempt are yet to be determined.  In the case of any state avoidance of &quot;tax costs&quot; the benefit--or liability--is borne by all state taxpayers.  In the case at hand, only BOISE property owners are affected.  There are no state property taxes.  Also, BSU and the state have removed millions upon millions of dollars of property value from the tax rolls in Boise.  Land Board owns brew pub, storage business, bank, parking ramp, which are ALL TAX EXEMPT in downtown.  Meanwhile, BSU has removed private homes throughout the area of the campus, again depriving local government of revenue.  Meanwhile we give them FREE fire service and their students consume police, fire, library, park, sewer service etc.  No argument about BSU contributing to the economy, but they also eat up an equal amount of services while depleting local tax revenues.

Think of BSU as a city unto itself with a population of more than 20,000.  Then, think of the services consumed and who pays.  The answer--with no slant--is &quot;fees in lieu of taxes&quot; paid to Boise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you present this as a one-sided sale by Gardner. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the case at all. If BSU had no interest in the deal, it would just say no thanks. The fact that the University is pursuing this, makes me think that your analysis of the situation is a little too slanted. Isn&#8217;t it possible that the tax revenue lost in the building is made up for by the avoidance of tax costs for university facilities?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;No slant on this at all.  Details of WHEN the condo sale becomes tax exempt are yet to be determined.  In the case of any state avoidance of &#8220;tax costs&#8221; the benefit&#8211;or liability&#8211;is borne by all state taxpayers.  In the case at hand, only BOISE property owners are affected.  There are no state property taxes.  Also, BSU and the state have removed millions upon millions of dollars of property value from the tax rolls in Boise.  Land Board owns brew pub, storage business, bank, parking ramp, which are ALL TAX EXEMPT in downtown.  Meanwhile, BSU has removed private homes throughout the area of the campus, again depriving local government of revenue.  Meanwhile we give them FREE fire service and their students consume police, fire, library, park, sewer service etc.  No argument about BSU contributing to the economy, but they also eat up an equal amount of services while depleting local tax revenues.</p>
<p>Think of BSU as a city unto itself with a population of more than 20,000.  Then, think of the services consumed and who pays.  The answer&#8211;with no slant&#8211;is &#8220;fees in lieu of taxes&#8221; paid to Boise.</p>
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		By: rick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that Gardner has some pretty good used car sales men. If Boise residents are going to keep re electing g these guys they deserve what they get.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that Gardner has some pretty good used car sales men. If Boise residents are going to keep re electing g these guys they deserve what they get.</p>
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		By: Flyhead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flyhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 17:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with boisecynic, the idea of having to attend classes at traditional brick and mortar classrooms is a 19th century model for education. Looking back at my college experience we had lecture halls full of people and it all could have been done via SKYPE if they only had it back in the day.  

Colleges and students need to come to grips with the notion just any old degree will get you a good job. And, signing on the dotted line for student loans (often called tuition aid) has a day of reckoning. 

All this may be off subject but choosing both school and course of study is as important as attending college. Four or more years, costs and the job prospects need careful attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with boisecynic, the idea of having to attend classes at traditional brick and mortar classrooms is a 19th century model for education. Looking back at my college experience we had lecture halls full of people and it all could have been done via SKYPE if they only had it back in the day.  </p>
<p>Colleges and students need to come to grips with the notion just any old degree will get you a good job. And, signing on the dotted line for student loans (often called tuition aid) has a day of reckoning. </p>
<p>All this may be off subject but choosing both school and course of study is as important as attending college. Four or more years, costs and the job prospects need careful attention.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BG, besides the issue of valuable downtown land going off property tax rolls can you summarize? Or is that the only issue?

Could it be possible that BSU gets new classroom space for less than it could build its own on campus? And it that&#039;s true-- wouldn&#039;t that save taxpayer money on one ledger while increasing it on another? 

And again, BG, I don&#039;t see any spreadsheet of detailed estimates of how much this would add to property taxes. This is the same thing you do when attacking urban renewal districts. I have yet to see even the most basic detailing of how much property taxes are artificially inflated due to existence of properties exempt or partially exempt from property taxes. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t like the idea of fragmented campuses but maybe that&#039;s the coming reality of the 21st Century.

EDITOR NOTE--Don&#039;t think we have any arguments.  I just thought folks needed to know it was Gardner&#039;s idea, not BSU.  They are brilliant in their sales approach, but taxes on a $70,000,000 structure would be more than $1 million a year in aggregate for schools, city, county, ACHD, etc. As a rule of thumb the overall tax rate in the city is about 1.7% of value.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG, besides the issue of valuable downtown land going off property tax rolls can you summarize? Or is that the only issue?</p>
<p>Could it be possible that BSU gets new classroom space for less than it could build its own on campus? And it that&#8217;s true&#8211; wouldn&#8217;t that save taxpayer money on one ledger while increasing it on another? </p>
<p>And again, BG, I don&#8217;t see any spreadsheet of detailed estimates of how much this would add to property taxes. This is the same thing you do when attacking urban renewal districts. I have yet to see even the most basic detailing of how much property taxes are artificially inflated due to existence of properties exempt or partially exempt from property taxes. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I don&#8217;t like the idea of fragmented campuses but maybe that&#8217;s the coming reality of the 21st Century.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Don&#8217;t think we have any arguments.  I just thought folks needed to know it was Gardner&#8217;s idea, not BSU.  They are brilliant in their sales approach, but taxes on a $70,000,000 structure would be more than $1 million a year in aggregate for schools, city, county, ACHD, etc. As a rule of thumb the overall tax rate in the city is about 1.7% of value.</p>
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		By: Flyhead		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2014/06/16/gardner-courts-bsu-for-tax-exempt-space/#comment-95926</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flyhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 03:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You have to hand it to the good people at Gardner, they know how to play the game.  They walked the city of Nampa right up to the altar and then bolted for the door. They left Nampa with their proverbial sausages in their hands.

These guys have more angles than a protractor when it comes to screwing taxpayers out of money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to hand it to the good people at Gardner, they know how to play the game.  They walked the city of Nampa right up to the altar and then bolted for the door. They left Nampa with their proverbial sausages in their hands.</p>
<p>These guys have more angles than a protractor when it comes to screwing taxpayers out of money.</p>
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		By: zdv		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zdv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 03:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting article.  Separating a single department from the rest of the university seems like a strange idea at best.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard of such a thing for an undergraduate department.  Maybe Clearwater Analytics is taking over the BSU CS department?

You piqued my interest with the annexation talk.  Is there any more information available on that?

EDITOR NOTE--Check out the BOISE WEEKLY site.  George Prentice did a pretty comprehensive story on it including a map.  Council had it on the agenda for Tuesday.  My issue is they simply create the very urban sprawl they claim to oppose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  Separating a single department from the rest of the university seems like a strange idea at best.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard of such a thing for an undergraduate department.  Maybe Clearwater Analytics is taking over the BSU CS department?</p>
<p>You piqued my interest with the annexation talk.  Is there any more information available on that?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Check out the BOISE WEEKLY site.  George Prentice did a pretty comprehensive story on it including a map.  Council had it on the agenda for Tuesday.  My issue is they simply create the very urban sprawl they claim to oppose.</p>
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		By: soccergr8		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[soccergr8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Intersting, puts those guys right in the heart of Boise&#039;s tech triangle and that has got to be a huge expansion of space... Not sure how that total sq. footage decreases once built out. I&#039;d imagine they&#039;re looking to expand based on all the reports of growth in this field. Idaho desperately needs to expand its tech community to get off the bottom rungs of the average wage lists. I can see both sides here with preliminary information. Interested to hear more. Lots of pros/cons.

Lots about student debt in these comments. Having zero debt myself, I&#039;m scared for all these colelge kids but CS students are in a whole different league. These kids get paid $20/hr for their internships and laugh at unpaid internships. I swear I&#039;ve heard a couple local tech guys speak about them have to duke it out to snatch these kids up their sophomore years. I&#039;ve been jealous since.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intersting, puts those guys right in the heart of Boise&#8217;s tech triangle and that has got to be a huge expansion of space&#8230; Not sure how that total sq. footage decreases once built out. I&#8217;d imagine they&#8217;re looking to expand based on all the reports of growth in this field. Idaho desperately needs to expand its tech community to get off the bottom rungs of the average wage lists. I can see both sides here with preliminary information. Interested to hear more. Lots of pros/cons.</p>
<p>Lots about student debt in these comments. Having zero debt myself, I&#8217;m scared for all these colelge kids but CS students are in a whole different league. These kids get paid $20/hr for their internships and laugh at unpaid internships. I swear I&#8217;ve heard a couple local tech guys speak about them have to duke it out to snatch these kids up their sophomore years. I&#8217;ve been jealous since.</p>
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