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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2014/09/23/new-hawks-owners-try-for-double-play/#comment-98358</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 14:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erico:

Much of the land in the Fairview/Main Corridor is already effectively off the tax rolls. As I&#039;ve written many times, suburbs are being subsidized by taxpayers by road building and widening. Every acre of land dedicated to roads is an acre off the tax rolls. Property tax is not the only tax in town. Fairview/Main is generating little in income tax and sales tax relative to what it could generate. 

The old carved up lots along Fairview/Main cannot compete, despite the great location, against suburban properties. Something has to be done. Private enterprise can not pull it off due to new zoning laws implemented over the last 4 decades which hamstring private redevelopment. Even if a private developer had all the money in the world, he/she could not redevelop many Fairview/Main lots due to parking restrictions, lot size and setback restrictions, and storm water retention restrictions.

Please try to understand this. Many want zoning laws, but they don&#039;t want to pay damages for regulatory takings. 

The City has taken a few rezoning steps, Fairview/Main was recently rezoned 5CDD put the parking overlay is P2, not P1 that the downtown core has. The means mandatory parking lot sizes. Most of the lots are barely big enough to build a snow cone shack given all the zoning regulations even in light of the new 5CDD zoning. 

Dave: It&#039;s not just the city living on growth. The entire world is built on the foundation of fractional reserve banking which is a highly regulated pyramid scheme which needs ever more growth. It&#039;s the very basis of modern reality that seems to get absolutely no coverage anywhere.

EDITOR NOTE--You are correct in what you say.  Regarding the financing, it has been described as a game of musical chairs.  As long as the music is playing, there is no problem.  Once it stops, some is left out and when they don&#039;t pay, the next, and next, and next cannot pay.  This happened in 2008.  Solution is to stop encouraging and PAYING to grow.  Growthophobe credo:  If they want to come here, pay their taxes, and a living wage, welcome!  If they want welfare, go to California or New York.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erico:</p>
<p>Much of the land in the Fairview/Main Corridor is already effectively off the tax rolls. As I&#8217;ve written many times, suburbs are being subsidized by taxpayers by road building and widening. Every acre of land dedicated to roads is an acre off the tax rolls. Property tax is not the only tax in town. Fairview/Main is generating little in income tax and sales tax relative to what it could generate. </p>
<p>The old carved up lots along Fairview/Main cannot compete, despite the great location, against suburban properties. Something has to be done. Private enterprise can not pull it off due to new zoning laws implemented over the last 4 decades which hamstring private redevelopment. Even if a private developer had all the money in the world, he/she could not redevelop many Fairview/Main lots due to parking restrictions, lot size and setback restrictions, and storm water retention restrictions.</p>
<p>Please try to understand this. Many want zoning laws, but they don&#8217;t want to pay damages for regulatory takings. </p>
<p>The City has taken a few rezoning steps, Fairview/Main was recently rezoned 5CDD put the parking overlay is P2, not P1 that the downtown core has. The means mandatory parking lot sizes. Most of the lots are barely big enough to build a snow cone shack given all the zoning regulations even in light of the new 5CDD zoning. </p>
<p>Dave: It&#8217;s not just the city living on growth. The entire world is built on the foundation of fractional reserve banking which is a highly regulated pyramid scheme which needs ever more growth. It&#8217;s the very basis of modern reality that seems to get absolutely no coverage anywhere.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;You are correct in what you say.  Regarding the financing, it has been described as a game of musical chairs.  As long as the music is playing, there is no problem.  Once it stops, some is left out and when they don&#8217;t pay, the next, and next, and next cannot pay.  This happened in 2008.  Solution is to stop encouraging and PAYING to grow.  Growthophobe credo:  If they want to come here, pay their taxes, and a living wage, welcome!  If they want welfare, go to California or New York.</p>
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		By: dave zarkin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave zarkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our minor league St. Paul team will get a new downtown stadium and the Twins got there&#039;s a few years ago.  What a county!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our minor league St. Paul team will get a new downtown stadium and the Twins got there&#8217;s a few years ago.  What a county!</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Foothills, also remember that the Meridian (now West Ada) School District includes Eagle, Star, and a good chunk of Boise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foothills, also remember that the Meridian (now West Ada) School District includes Eagle, Star, and a good chunk of Boise.</p>
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		By: Foothills Rider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foothills Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Meridian:  and yet they seek supplemental levy to keep schools afloat.

EDITOR NOTE--Double edge sword here.  The CITY lives on growth which creates a larger tax base.  That same growth also means more students so the SCHOOL DISTRICT has to build more buildings and hire more teachers. Simplistic example: 1000 new residents can justify about one new copper on the force.  However if half (500) of those newcomers are kids, it can mean a new school building and perhaps a dozen new teachers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meridian:  and yet they seek supplemental levy to keep schools afloat.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Double edge sword here.  The CITY lives on growth which creates a larger tax base.  That same growth also means more students so the SCHOOL DISTRICT has to build more buildings and hire more teachers. Simplistic example: 1000 new residents can justify about one new copper on the force.  However if half (500) of those newcomers are kids, it can mean a new school building and perhaps a dozen new teachers.</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unlikely Meridian will fund it but they would welcome it if the promoters paid for it. Unlike their neighboring city&#039;s of Boise and Nampa, Meridian has not bought into the build it and they will come crowd which has piled a lot of debt up which will make everybody rich. Well the developers anyway.
How is that working out you ask? Meridian was able to pay cash for their new city hall, sewer improvements, and parks --all paid for and Meridian has a lower tax rate than Boise or Nampa and NO DEBT]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlikely Meridian will fund it but they would welcome it if the promoters paid for it. Unlike their neighboring city&#8217;s of Boise and Nampa, Meridian has not bought into the build it and they will come crowd which has piled a lot of debt up which will make everybody rich. Well the developers anyway.<br />
How is that working out you ask? Meridian was able to pay cash for their new city hall, sewer improvements, and parks &#8211;all paid for and Meridian has a lower tax rate than Boise or Nampa and NO DEBT</p>
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		By: Derek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 04:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a very, very simple solution to this situation.

Put the stadium in MERIDIAN!!!Let those tax payers fund it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a very, very simple solution to this situation.</p>
<p>Put the stadium in MERIDIAN!!!Let those tax payers fund it.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2014/09/23/new-hawks-owners-try-for-double-play/#comment-98352</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cynic.. i would be affected. The stadium will most likely not be on the tax rolls. That will deprive the Boise School District of the taxes that they could have collected. That affects me because I have to pay my share of those uncollected taxes. The budget will remain as is, it&#039;s just how it&#039;s split up among the taxpayers. Admittedly, the cost to any single taxpayer would not be large, but it will be there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynic.. i would be affected. The stadium will most likely not be on the tax rolls. That will deprive the Boise School District of the taxes that they could have collected. That affects me because I have to pay my share of those uncollected taxes. The budget will remain as is, it&#8217;s just how it&#8217;s split up among the taxpayers. Admittedly, the cost to any single taxpayer would not be large, but it will be there.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2014 01:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BC:  For the benefit of all, I&#039;d like Boise City to pay everyone&#039;s cable TV bill.  Why not... it&#039;s entertainment just like a baseball park?  

My point is, welfare should be very minimal and only when needed... Such as to feed poor families so the children have proper nutrition.  Or to front the R &#038; D costs of an amazing new drug.  Welfare for baseball is wrong!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC:  For the benefit of all, I&#8217;d like Boise City to pay everyone&#8217;s cable TV bill.  Why not&#8230; it&#8217;s entertainment just like a baseball park?  </p>
<p>My point is, welfare should be very minimal and only when needed&#8230; Such as to feed poor families so the children have proper nutrition.  Or to front the R &amp; D costs of an amazing new drug.  Welfare for baseball is wrong!</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erico:

You wouldn&#039;t be affected because in the extremely unlikely event of a direct property tax, Boise School District&#039;s portion of your tax bill would not go up. It is its own separate taxing entity.  You may or may not live within GBAD&#039;s boundaries which don&#039;t exactly coincide with Boise City&#039;s boundaries. 

Regarding the Oriole Park in Baltimore. I disagree with the Orioles being a private company as an excuse to avoid disclosing their revenue. If there is to be a public/private partnership then the stadium should be treated like a public utility, with an elected or appointed commission overseeing the finances and limiting the stadium&#039;s primary user to a reasonable return on their investment. Or any for profit user for that matter.

That&#039;s what this is about. Public utility. Few individuals or corporations have the ability to not only run a sports franchise but to also build a stadium. A stadium which may benefit many, not all, but many. It&#039;s not unlike the Boise River dams and canals  which were financed publicly but mostly benefit private farmers.

I rarely drive on roads outside of Boise City limits so why should I pay for widening of Ten Mile and Linder and the Central Valley Expressway? One could argue we don&#039;t need a Central Valley Expressway or Ten Mile interchange.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erico:</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t be affected because in the extremely unlikely event of a direct property tax, Boise School District&#8217;s portion of your tax bill would not go up. It is its own separate taxing entity.  You may or may not live within GBAD&#8217;s boundaries which don&#8217;t exactly coincide with Boise City&#8217;s boundaries. </p>
<p>Regarding the Oriole Park in Baltimore. I disagree with the Orioles being a private company as an excuse to avoid disclosing their revenue. If there is to be a public/private partnership then the stadium should be treated like a public utility, with an elected or appointed commission overseeing the finances and limiting the stadium&#8217;s primary user to a reasonable return on their investment. Or any for profit user for that matter.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what this is about. Public utility. Few individuals or corporations have the ability to not only run a sports franchise but to also build a stadium. A stadium which may benefit many, not all, but many. It&#8217;s not unlike the Boise River dams and canals  which were financed publicly but mostly benefit private farmers.</p>
<p>I rarely drive on roads outside of Boise City limits so why should I pay for widening of Ten Mile and Linder and the Central Valley Expressway? One could argue we don&#8217;t need a Central Valley Expressway or Ten Mile interchange.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No need to debate this. We won&#039;t get to vote, and if we did, less than 15% would. I can&#039;t vote regardless because I am not a city resident. However, because it wouldn&#039;t be on the tax rolls, I am affected because I live within the boundaries of the Boise School District. Also, as a county resident, I would foot the bill for whatever happens to the current ballpark.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to debate this. We won&#8217;t get to vote, and if we did, less than 15% would. I can&#8217;t vote regardless because I am not a city resident. However, because it wouldn&#8217;t be on the tax rolls, I am affected because I live within the boundaries of the Boise School District. Also, as a county resident, I would foot the bill for whatever happens to the current ballpark.</p>
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