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		By: John Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rod, how ignorant and closed minded are you?  No one is forcing you into any tiny apartment.  If you&#039;re tiny brain can believe it or not, people like to live in these multifamily developments because they are convenient.  High density is the way of the future whether you like it or not.  Massive outward expansion is not sustainable.  Regarding your parking comment, are you telling me that each apartment should require 2 parking spaces?  You know why these people are choosing to live there right?  Get with the times man and stop being so stubborn and closed minded.

EDITOR NOTE--John Smith, your rude and condescending attitude sounds like that of a planner.  FYI, all future comments containing personal attacks and allegations will not be posted.  You owe Rod a public apology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod, how ignorant and closed minded are you?  No one is forcing you into any tiny apartment.  If you&#8217;re tiny brain can believe it or not, people like to live in these multifamily developments because they are convenient.  High density is the way of the future whether you like it or not.  Massive outward expansion is not sustainable.  Regarding your parking comment, are you telling me that each apartment should require 2 parking spaces?  You know why these people are choosing to live there right?  Get with the times man and stop being so stubborn and closed minded.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;John Smith, your rude and condescending attitude sounds like that of a planner.  FYI, all future comments containing personal attacks and allegations will not be posted.  You owe Rod a public apology.</p>
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		By: Jason		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that it&#039;s frustrating that the city will create a set of rules, and then turn around and use those rules to pick and choose what they like and don&#039;t (by use of &#039;conditional&#039; permits or outright ignoring the rules). Makes it seem like there is a second set of rules for people who have an &#039;in&#039; with the city, or whatever.

That being said... trees &#038; park (if you can call it that) or not, the University/Capitol/9th/Boise intersection is a disaster. If the city has been unprepared to deal with the Lusk street area, they are correct to do something about it, meaning the royal street extension. If anything, it will cut down on the sheer amount of people darting across 9th &#038; capitol at rush hour to go to Boise State.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s frustrating that the city will create a set of rules, and then turn around and use those rules to pick and choose what they like and don&#8217;t (by use of &#8216;conditional&#8217; permits or outright ignoring the rules). Makes it seem like there is a second set of rules for people who have an &#8216;in&#8217; with the city, or whatever.</p>
<p>That being said&#8230; trees &amp; park (if you can call it that) or not, the University/Capitol/9th/Boise intersection is a disaster. If the city has been unprepared to deal with the Lusk street area, they are correct to do something about it, meaning the royal street extension. If anything, it will cut down on the sheer amount of people darting across 9th &amp; capitol at rush hour to go to Boise State.</p>
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		By: Doggone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doggone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve tried to get someone to pay attention to the Lusk St Master Plan since before it was issued.  Please plan on attending ACHD&#039;s open house tonight at the Downtown Library (5:30 p.m.)

Please see page 6 http://pds.cityofboise.org/media/256686/luskstreetmasterplan.pdf for an aerial of the loss of green space in a public park (Tourist Rest Stop), including a stand of mature trees.  This will put a road within 70 feet of the Greenbelt (set back issues?) and the John Booth Memorial, a set of lights at the beginning of the newly-restored Pioneer Bridge on Capitol Blvd, interrupting whatever is left of the visual corridor between the Depot and the Capitol (a big deal to Boise old-timers and counter-productive for the Capitol Blvd streetscape, plans) and just happens to coincide to where the Mayor wants to turn his trolley.  In addition, the Lusk St neighborhood is in the floodway. The City has allowed a canyon of relatively high-rise buildings at the entrance to one of the City&#039;s signature parks. 

The City and its PDS has been caught unprepared to deal with the Lusk St area.  The solution to a land-locked area is not to shove as many people in there as you can, and mow through public parks with an admittedly useless road that is being pushed through to serve the Mayor&#039;s next career as a trolley driver.  Please ask ACHD to stop the madness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried to get someone to pay attention to the Lusk St Master Plan since before it was issued.  Please plan on attending ACHD&#8217;s open house tonight at the Downtown Library (5:30 p.m.)</p>
<p>Please see page 6 <a href="http://pds.cityofboise.org/media/256686/luskstreetmasterplan.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pds.cityofboise.org/media/256686/luskstreetmasterplan.pdf</a> for an aerial of the loss of green space in a public park (Tourist Rest Stop), including a stand of mature trees.  This will put a road within 70 feet of the Greenbelt (set back issues?) and the John Booth Memorial, a set of lights at the beginning of the newly-restored Pioneer Bridge on Capitol Blvd, interrupting whatever is left of the visual corridor between the Depot and the Capitol (a big deal to Boise old-timers and counter-productive for the Capitol Blvd streetscape, plans) and just happens to coincide to where the Mayor wants to turn his trolley.  In addition, the Lusk St neighborhood is in the floodway. The City has allowed a canyon of relatively high-rise buildings at the entrance to one of the City&#8217;s signature parks. </p>
<p>The City and its PDS has been caught unprepared to deal with the Lusk St area.  The solution to a land-locked area is not to shove as many people in there as you can, and mow through public parks with an admittedly useless road that is being pushed through to serve the Mayor&#8217;s next career as a trolley driver.  Please ask ACHD to stop the madness.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parking should be a major factor on any development, especially multi-unit housing.     I have not followed all this Lusk area development, but I wonder what was done on the other 2 large multi-unit developments that are closer to completion?    This only  came to light when the adjacent property owner complained.  I do see at least one of the developments has ample indoor bike parking. 

If you are looking for a free lunch sometime, &quot;Like&quot; a facebook page or two. It seems this places promote heavily to get signed leases for when they open.

https://www.facebook.com/RiverEdgeBoise
https://www.facebook.com/TheVistaBoise]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parking should be a major factor on any development, especially multi-unit housing.     I have not followed all this Lusk area development, but I wonder what was done on the other 2 large multi-unit developments that are closer to completion?    This only  came to light when the adjacent property owner complained.  I do see at least one of the developments has ample indoor bike parking. </p>
<p>If you are looking for a free lunch sometime, &#8220;Like&#8221; a facebook page or two. It seems this places promote heavily to get signed leases for when they open.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/RiverEdgeBoise" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/RiverEdgeBoise</a><br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheVistaBoise" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/TheVistaBoise</a></p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, the strict building codes have caused a significant decrease in fires.  Perhaps this is a way to bring that business volume back up?

Crazy?  Wars have been started for less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the strict building codes have caused a significant decrease in fires.  Perhaps this is a way to bring that business volume back up?</p>
<p>Crazy?  Wars have been started for less.</p>
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		By: Foothills Rider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foothills Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We also did additional research after the NJ fire incident, and I believe you are mistaken about implying Avalon Communities (NJ) &quot;having sprinklers&quot; made them safe.  With or without the minimum code requirements, Avalon has historically short-changed safety issues, and have a NUMBER of fires on their records....way more than other structures.  Much has to do with shared attic space, lack of fire walls between units, etc that can allow quick fire growth.  We found this from 2013, way before this fire:


http://www.troublingdevelopments.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/AvalonBay-Fire-Record.pdf

EDITOR NOTE--I don&#039;t think anyone claimed the sprinklers made them safe.  As I recall, someone simply asked if they had sprinklers.  In NJ there was a lot of talk that sprinklers merely made it possible for people to get out alive.  There are indeed many factors involved like fire walls, type of materials used, void spaces, etc.  We hope to get some expert info soon.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also did additional research after the NJ fire incident, and I believe you are mistaken about implying Avalon Communities (NJ) &#8220;having sprinklers&#8221; made them safe.  With or without the minimum code requirements, Avalon has historically short-changed safety issues, and have a NUMBER of fires on their records&#8230;.way more than other structures.  Much has to do with shared attic space, lack of fire walls between units, etc that can allow quick fire growth.  We found this from 2013, way before this fire:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.troublingdevelopments.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/AvalonBay-Fire-Record.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.troublingdevelopments.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/AvalonBay-Fire-Record.pdf</a></p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;I don&#8217;t think anyone claimed the sprinklers made them safe.  As I recall, someone simply asked if they had sprinklers.  In NJ there was a lot of talk that sprinklers merely made it possible for people to get out alive.  There are indeed many factors involved like fire walls, type of materials used, void spaces, etc.  We hope to get some expert info soon.</p>
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		By: Jason		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 01:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The statesman article seems to indicate that this ruling might not matter anyway, since the city changed the code regarding max building heights for &#039;residental-office.&#039; Since this is the case, what&#039;s to stop the city from simply extending one of the downtown parking overlay zones further, to cover this area as well? (If that has already been done, I apologize - the only boise parking requirements info I can find is from 2006 -http://www.ccdcboise.com/Documents/ReportsAndMarketStudies/06P-zones.pdf  )

For what it&#039;s worth, I think apts that close to the university, mostly marketed toward students, do not need a high number of parking spots.

EDITOR NOTE--As I read the decision, it appeared the city refused to consider the parking issue at every turn, citing only the height variance.  The Supremes said they indeed had authority to require more parking based on the extra floor.  The fire issue for stick-built tall buildings more than three floors is very real and needs to be addressed.  I suspect greed to make the project &quot;pencil out&quot; is a major factor in granting a permit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statesman article seems to indicate that this ruling might not matter anyway, since the city changed the code regarding max building heights for &#8216;residental-office.&#8217; Since this is the case, what&#8217;s to stop the city from simply extending one of the downtown parking overlay zones further, to cover this area as well? (If that has already been done, I apologize &#8211; the only boise parking requirements info I can find is from 2006 -http://www.ccdcboise.com/Documents/ReportsAndMarketStudies/06P-zones.pdf  )</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I think apts that close to the university, mostly marketed toward students, do not need a high number of parking spots.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;As I read the decision, it appeared the city refused to consider the parking issue at every turn, citing only the height variance.  The Supremes said they indeed had authority to require more parking based on the extra floor.  The fire issue for stick-built tall buildings more than three floors is very real and needs to be addressed.  I suspect greed to make the project &#8220;pencil out&#8221; is a major factor in granting a permit.</p>
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		By: Rod+in+SE+Boise		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod+in+SE+Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The City of Boise should be encouraging lower density developments and discouraging higher density developments. They are trying to pack us all into tiny apartments and condos.

Regarding parking, the city failed the citizens of Boise at Whole Foods and Trader Joes, where neither store has enough parking spaces, and each parking space is too small.

1,700 apartments will require 3,400 parking spaces.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City of Boise should be encouraging lower density developments and discouraging higher density developments. They are trying to pack us all into tiny apartments and condos.</p>
<p>Regarding parking, the city failed the citizens of Boise at Whole Foods and Trader Joes, where neither store has enough parking spaces, and each parking space is too small.</p>
<p>1,700 apartments will require 3,400 parking spaces.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good find BG, thanks for posting that.

But what does it mean? The city will retroactively need to require more parking? This seems to be a huge can of worms. Someone at city hall is probably already working on putting out the fires, pun intended.

Regarding the fire issue, and limiting my research to just 1004 W Royal, aka River&#039;s Edge Apartments, sprinklers and many other strong fire codes are in effect, I assume it&#039;s the same for the two other buildings.

See permits:

http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=FIR14-00638

http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=FIR14-00890

And as I asked over at SSP, I hope to god Mcalvain has overnight security guards to prevent a repeat times a thousand of the mysterious 15th and Hill Road condos fire.

EDITOR NOTE--We have done some additional cursory research and discovered the NJ apartments also had sprinklers.  The chief there was seen on TV claiming, &quot;If these had been built of concrete and steel it wouldn&#039;t have happened.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good find BG, thanks for posting that.</p>
<p>But what does it mean? The city will retroactively need to require more parking? This seems to be a huge can of worms. Someone at city hall is probably already working on putting out the fires, pun intended.</p>
<p>Regarding the fire issue, and limiting my research to just 1004 W Royal, aka River&#8217;s Edge Apartments, sprinklers and many other strong fire codes are in effect, I assume it&#8217;s the same for the two other buildings.</p>
<p>See permits:</p>
<p><a href="http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=FIR14-00638" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=FIR14-00638</a></p>
<p><a href="http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=FIR14-00890" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=FIR14-00890</a></p>
<p>And as I asked over at SSP, I hope to god Mcalvain has overnight security guards to prevent a repeat times a thousand of the mysterious 15th and Hill Road condos fire.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;We have done some additional cursory research and discovered the NJ apartments also had sprinklers.  The chief there was seen on TV claiming, &#8220;If these had been built of concrete and steel it wouldn&#8217;t have happened.&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J+Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The amazing, forward thinking City of Boise; building the slums of the future, today!]]></description>
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