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		By: Rod+in+SE+Boise		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/02/11/horseless-racing-headed-for-finish-line/#comment-98983</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod+in+SE+Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The prawns at Murphys were better than the Stagecoach.

The US Constitution, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, trumps the Idaho Constitution. That&#039;s what happened on the same-gender marriage issue.

EDITOR NOTE--Debating the quality of food at CLOSED restaurants can happen only at the GUARDIAN!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prawns at Murphys were better than the Stagecoach.</p>
<p>The US Constitution, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, trumps the Idaho Constitution. That&#8217;s what happened on the same-gender marriage issue.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Debating the quality of food at CLOSED restaurants can happen only at the GUARDIAN!</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This topic would make a tough &#039;civics question&#039;. 

So from my reading source:

&quot;Citizens of Idaho may only initiate legislation as a state statute. Idahoans may also repeal legislation via veto referendum, but cannot place a constitutional amendment on the ballot via initiative. 
The Idaho State Legislature, on the other hand, may place measures on the ballot as legislatively-referred constitutional amendments.&quot;
(Also noted in that reading, is not all state operate the same on this topic). 

Guardian, would it be possible for a citizens initiate to make a directive to the legislature to put a gambling &quot;amendment&quot; on the ballot... not that they would, but if it is ever possible from the citizens that would have to be the route taken?   that would just add an additional step in the process... 
Correct, or is there something missing?

EDITOR NOTE--Doubtful at best.  A &quot;directive&quot; would have no power.  It goes back to &quot;we deserve what we get because the majority voted for them.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic would make a tough &#8216;civics question&#8217;. </p>
<p>So from my reading source:</p>
<p>&#8220;Citizens of Idaho may only initiate legislation as a state statute. Idahoans may also repeal legislation via veto referendum, but cannot place a constitutional amendment on the ballot via initiative.<br />
The Idaho State Legislature, on the other hand, may place measures on the ballot as legislatively-referred constitutional amendments.&#8221;<br />
(Also noted in that reading, is not all state operate the same on this topic). </p>
<p>Guardian, would it be possible for a citizens initiate to make a directive to the legislature to put a gambling &#8220;amendment&#8221; on the ballot&#8230; not that they would, but if it is ever possible from the citizens that would have to be the route taken?   that would just add an additional step in the process&#8230;<br />
Correct, or is there something missing?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Doubtful at best.  A &#8220;directive&#8221; would have no power.  It goes back to &#8220;we deserve what we get because the majority voted for them.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since we&#039;re all political wizards here, let&#039;s have some clarification 

An initiative (a.k.a. popular or citizens&#039; initiative) is a means by which a PETITION signed by a certain minimum number of registered voters can force a public vote.  
The VOTE may be on a proposed statute, constitutional amendment, charter amendment or local ordinance, or to simply oblige the executive or legislature to consider the subject by submitting it to the order of the day.

EDITOR NOTE--Easterner.  You are sort of correct.  Unfortunately, Idaho has no mechanism for citizens to initiate a constitutional amendment.  The ONLY way to amend is for a 2/3 vote of both house and senate followed by  simple majority of voters.  

Further, the Idaho Supremes have ruled that a citizen--initiative creating a specific law (statute) has the same force and effect as any law passed by the legislature, so the legislature has the authority to repeal ANY law.  That&#039;s what happened with term limits.  The catch 22 is that even if we all signed a petition to amend, it would be a futile effort because we have no standing as mere citizens to amend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re all political wizards here, let&#8217;s have some clarification </p>
<p>An initiative (a.k.a. popular or citizens&#8217; initiative) is a means by which a PETITION signed by a certain minimum number of registered voters can force a public vote.<br />
The VOTE may be on a proposed statute, constitutional amendment, charter amendment or local ordinance, or to simply oblige the executive or legislature to consider the subject by submitting it to the order of the day.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Easterner.  You are sort of correct.  Unfortunately, Idaho has no mechanism for citizens to initiate a constitutional amendment.  The ONLY way to amend is for a 2/3 vote of both house and senate followed by  simple majority of voters.  </p>
<p>Further, the Idaho Supremes have ruled that a citizen&#8211;initiative creating a specific law (statute) has the same force and effect as any law passed by the legislature, so the legislature has the authority to repeal ANY law.  That&#8217;s what happened with term limits.  The catch 22 is that even if we all signed a petition to amend, it would be a futile effort because we have no standing as mere citizens to amend.</p>
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		By: Bieter+begone		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually easterner and erico,  same sex marriage was banned by a constitutional amendment, not an initiative.  So apparently constitutional amendments don&#039;t count for much either and neither do the voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually easterner and erico,  same sex marriage was banned by a constitutional amendment, not an initiative.  So apparently constitutional amendments don&#8217;t count for much either and neither do the voters.</p>
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		By: J+Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Horse racing is the &quot;sport of kings&quot;, and we all know that the wealthy can&#039;t be expected to pay their way in life, hence the dire need to prop up their sport through slot machines. I predict a few outraged phone calls, and this will all be taken care of through a new Idaho Legislature bill to correct any issues that might hinder the wealthy from running their ponies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horse racing is the &#8220;sport of kings&#8221;, and we all know that the wealthy can&#8217;t be expected to pay their way in life, hence the dire need to prop up their sport through slot machines. I predict a few outraged phone calls, and this will all be taken care of through a new Idaho Legislature bill to correct any issues that might hinder the wealthy from running their ponies.</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the Stage Coach in Garden City needs propping up... but maybe too.  Still miss the Jumbo Prawns]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Stage Coach in Garden City needs propping up&#8230; but maybe too.  Still miss the Jumbo Prawns</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[touche erico49 on the Legislature overturning the will of the people.  On that point in 3 other states about the same time-period their state supreme court overturned their term-limit laws- MA, OR, &#038; WA.  

So I suppose either the legislative or the judicial branch can wrongfully overturn the will of the people. Let&#039;s add executive to the list as well with executive orders and vetos. 

Propping up industries is sometimes necessary and good though.   Space exploration, for one, as brought lots of benefits to society. Where we ought to be doing some &quot;propping&quot; is alternative energy and medical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>touche erico49 on the Legislature overturning the will of the people.  On that point in 3 other states about the same time-period their state supreme court overturned their term-limit laws- MA, OR, &amp; WA.  </p>
<p>So I suppose either the legislative or the judicial branch can wrongfully overturn the will of the people. Let&#8217;s add executive to the list as well with executive orders and vetos. </p>
<p>Propping up industries is sometimes necessary and good though.   Space exploration, for one, as brought lots of benefits to society. Where we ought to be doing some &#8220;propping&#8221; is alternative energy and medical.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for horse racing, we need to quit propping up industries that can&#039;t make it on their own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for horse racing, we need to quit propping up industries that can&#8217;t make it on their own.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple of points Easterner. The ballot initiative process was tried with term limits and our brilliant legislature overturned  it (Dave, correct me if I am wrong), And no consequences resulted for them As for amending the Constitution, I totally agree with your last sentence--it would solve a lot of problems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points Easterner. The ballot initiative process was tried with term limits and our brilliant legislature overturned  it (Dave, correct me if I am wrong), And no consequences resulted for them As for amending the Constitution, I totally agree with your last sentence&#8211;it would solve a lot of problems.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 23:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right, it takes an amendment, so let&#039;s do it. 

Just the same as the gay community (and everyone) should have proceeded with a ballot initiate to reverse the previous initiate instead of pursuing a legal case IMO.   

The point of this quote is &#039;gambling&#039; is really a relative term.   
Gambling- paying for tuition hoping to get a job to pay back the tuition, that&#039;s chancy. 
Start a business. Considering 50%+ of businesses fail, that&#039;s a gamble. 
Investing your money in Albertson&#039;s stock = legal gambling.
Driving down the road at 80Mph,,,, you&#039;re kind of gambling that things go well. Lose and you could lose &quot;everything&quot;.  

Sitting around a table playing poker with friends- big deal! 
  Let&#039;s legalize gambling - and concealed carry, marijuana, prostitution, and money laundering too.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, it takes an amendment, so let&#8217;s do it. </p>
<p>Just the same as the gay community (and everyone) should have proceeded with a ballot initiate to reverse the previous initiate instead of pursuing a legal case IMO.   </p>
<p>The point of this quote is &#8216;gambling&#8217; is really a relative term.<br />
Gambling- paying for tuition hoping to get a job to pay back the tuition, that&#8217;s chancy.<br />
Start a business. Considering 50%+ of businesses fail, that&#8217;s a gamble.<br />
Investing your money in Albertson&#8217;s stock = legal gambling.<br />
Driving down the road at 80Mph,,,, you&#8217;re kind of gambling that things go well. Lose and you could lose &#8220;everything&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Sitting around a table playing poker with friends- big deal!<br />
  Let&#8217;s legalize gambling &#8211; and concealed carry, marijuana, prostitution, and money laundering too.  🙂</p>
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