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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99287</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 00:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are incorrect, Dave.  The person who suggested that you crawl back under a rock was making it personal.  I am merely suggesting that your definition of &quot;Public Fund&quot; is in error, in my humble opinion.  Since the Court seems to agree with your view, I am suggesting that the Legislature clarify the issue like they did for the needed parking structure at the Airport.  

I have lived in very small towns in my life and also extremely large cities such as Seattle and Los Angeles (actually Long Beach, but who can tell where the boundaries lie)  I live in Boise by choice because it offers the best of both worlds.

As for SkyWest,  We will all probably benefit from the domino effect of the additional high paying jobs for Boise residents.  It is too bad that cities have to compete for these types of developments, but that seems to be the nature of the beast.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are incorrect, Dave.  The person who suggested that you crawl back under a rock was making it personal.  I am merely suggesting that your definition of &#8220;Public Fund&#8221; is in error, in my humble opinion.  Since the Court seems to agree with your view, I am suggesting that the Legislature clarify the issue like they did for the needed parking structure at the Airport.  </p>
<p>I have lived in very small towns in my life and also extremely large cities such as Seattle and Los Angeles (actually Long Beach, but who can tell where the boundaries lie)  I live in Boise by choice because it offers the best of both worlds.</p>
<p>As for SkyWest,  We will all probably benefit from the domino effect of the additional high paying jobs for Boise residents.  It is too bad that cities have to compete for these types of developments, but that seems to be the nature of the beast.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99285</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2015 22:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Which is why we must enlist the legislature to amend the Constitution to allow the Auditorium District the same bonding authority as the city received for airport parking facilities.  The funds the Auditorium District receives from users of the facility are public only in the since that they flow through a public facility.  They are not public in the since that they are provided by the public.  The Auditorium District and the Airport both use a business model, not a public service model.  The public has no liability if the District is unable to pay back the bond holders if revenue is insufficient.  

We all know that you don&#039;t want the city to grow.  The city has been growing since gold was discovered in Idaho City, once the largest city in Idaho.  The Indians were driven out to make room for the growth of the valley.  (A blight on our history) No one has proposed driving you out to make room for growth, though one commenter did suggest you crawl under a rock.  

I remember when I moved here nearly forty years ago.  We actually have a choice of more then two good restaurants from which to choose,  we don&#039;t have to go to Portland or Salt Lake to shop (except for IKEA) and well known bands actually include us on worldwide tour schedules.  I for one like it better, even if traffic can be sticky sometimes.

EDITOR NOTE--Steve, you are making this personal.  You should punch the green button and reward me for defending the Idaho Constitution.  Your airport now has a $23 million publicly owned building rented to SkyWest.  Since it is owned by the city, the structure pays no taxes to the schools, ACHD, county, or the city.  Citizens are getting screwed out of about $380,000 in taxes in perpetuity!  That means while we will have to provide roads, schools, sewers, fire service, parks, etc. for the new workers, yet their arrival yields NOTHING.  Even the state of Idaho will give back $15-25% of the payroll tax the workers pay.  That comes directly out of your pocket Steve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why we must enlist the legislature to amend the Constitution to allow the Auditorium District the same bonding authority as the city received for airport parking facilities.  The funds the Auditorium District receives from users of the facility are public only in the since that they flow through a public facility.  They are not public in the since that they are provided by the public.  The Auditorium District and the Airport both use a business model, not a public service model.  The public has no liability if the District is unable to pay back the bond holders if revenue is insufficient.  </p>
<p>We all know that you don&#8217;t want the city to grow.  The city has been growing since gold was discovered in Idaho City, once the largest city in Idaho.  The Indians were driven out to make room for the growth of the valley.  (A blight on our history) No one has proposed driving you out to make room for growth, though one commenter did suggest you crawl under a rock.  </p>
<p>I remember when I moved here nearly forty years ago.  We actually have a choice of more then two good restaurants from which to choose,  we don&#8217;t have to go to Portland or Salt Lake to shop (except for IKEA) and well known bands actually include us on worldwide tour schedules.  I for one like it better, even if traffic can be sticky sometimes.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Steve, you are making this personal.  You should punch the green button and reward me for defending the Idaho Constitution.  Your airport now has a $23 million publicly owned building rented to SkyWest.  Since it is owned by the city, the structure pays no taxes to the schools, ACHD, county, or the city.  Citizens are getting screwed out of about $380,000 in taxes in perpetuity!  That means while we will have to provide roads, schools, sewers, fire service, parks, etc. for the new workers, yet their arrival yields NOTHING.  Even the state of Idaho will give back $15-25% of the payroll tax the workers pay.  That comes directly out of your pocket Steve.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99283</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2015 21:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I fully support the requirement that the public gets to vote on the expenditure of public funds.  The school districts use prop0erty tax to pay back the bonds for construction of school.  The Legislature finally corrected the problem at the airport where the City was being forced to hold a Bond Election for the construction of additional parking facilities at the airport, despite the fact that know public funds were involved.  If anyone was deserving a vote, is was the patrons from outside of the City who pay to park.  The Auditorium District is in the same situation and should receive the same relief that the Airport received.  Since the taxpayers of Boise have no funds involved in the Convention Center, why should the Auditorium District have to get their approval to obligate the revenue it receives from the operation of the Center and the room taxes it collects from visitors to the City.  The public elects the Auditorium District Commissioners.  Let them run it according to good business practices.  If it isn&#039;t prudent to expand, potential bond purchasers won&#039;t risk their investment funds.

EDITOR NOTE--Steve, there a bunch of issues here.  ALL the money you discuss is PUBLIC money.  The source of revenue is not at issue.  A GBAD board in 2015 does not have the right to obligate debt payments to the GBAD board of 2025.  Only the citizens can grant that permission.  Further, something as &quot;profound&quot; as a $23 million facility using local PUBLIC funds should be overseen by voters.  You are opposed to at least four court orders including the 5 judges of the Idaho Supreme court and 3 District judges. They ALL conclude the constitution MANDATES citizens have the right to vote on public debt.  Your best argument is to simply not vote rather than deny others their constitutional right to vote. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully support the requirement that the public gets to vote on the expenditure of public funds.  The school districts use prop0erty tax to pay back the bonds for construction of school.  The Legislature finally corrected the problem at the airport where the City was being forced to hold a Bond Election for the construction of additional parking facilities at the airport, despite the fact that know public funds were involved.  If anyone was deserving a vote, is was the patrons from outside of the City who pay to park.  The Auditorium District is in the same situation and should receive the same relief that the Airport received.  Since the taxpayers of Boise have no funds involved in the Convention Center, why should the Auditorium District have to get their approval to obligate the revenue it receives from the operation of the Center and the room taxes it collects from visitors to the City.  The public elects the Auditorium District Commissioners.  Let them run it according to good business practices.  If it isn&#8217;t prudent to expand, potential bond purchasers won&#8217;t risk their investment funds.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Steve, there a bunch of issues here.  ALL the money you discuss is PUBLIC money.  The source of revenue is not at issue.  A GBAD board in 2015 does not have the right to obligate debt payments to the GBAD board of 2025.  Only the citizens can grant that permission.  Further, something as &#8220;profound&#8221; as a $23 million facility using local PUBLIC funds should be overseen by voters.  You are opposed to at least four court orders including the 5 judges of the Idaho Supreme court and 3 District judges. They ALL conclude the constitution MANDATES citizens have the right to vote on public debt.  Your best argument is to simply not vote rather than deny others their constitutional right to vote. </p>
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		By: Cynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99234</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GBAD should have gone to voters in the first place, but they seem to have forgotten that they work for us. Thank you Dave for forcing them to follow the law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GBAD should have gone to voters in the first place, but they seem to have forgotten that they work for us. Thank you Dave for forcing them to follow the law.</p>
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		By: Voter		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 04:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The law is very clear that deals like this must be set to a vote. All that GBAD needs to do is put the issue to a vote. Then the court is out of the picture. 

The fact is that GBAD knows they have - and would likely loose - yet another vote. So ANY attempt with any court is a clear and conscience effort to not only go around every voter in the district but an attempt to use smooth talking lawyers to hornswoggle a limp spindled judge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law is very clear that deals like this must be set to a vote. All that GBAD needs to do is put the issue to a vote. Then the court is out of the picture. </p>
<p>The fact is that GBAD knows they have &#8211; and would likely loose &#8211; yet another vote. So ANY attempt with any court is a clear and conscience effort to not only go around every voter in the district but an attempt to use smooth talking lawyers to hornswoggle a limp spindled judge.</p>
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		By: Grumpy ole Guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99227</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This grumpy writer is not a growthophobe; however he desires at least two things minimally, from his elected and appointed &quot;leaders&quot;.  First and foremost they HAVE to follow any law, rule or regulation by which they are governed.  GBAD has not done so in this instance.  The second, is that the &quot;leaders&quot; do any growth in a planned, systematic manner to the greatest benefit to the greatest number of the people they represent.  GBAD seems to represent only the businesses in the downtown core area, and not the voters who elect them, that appears to be the case in this instance.   The law clearly states that they have to secure the approval of the people (who elect them) BEFORE  they can commit  to a debt - in this case, the Wells Fargo loan for which we the people would  ultimately suffer if it were not  successfully repaid.
I do not understand why holding elected officials to the law can be seen as controversial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This grumpy writer is not a growthophobe; however he desires at least two things minimally, from his elected and appointed &#8220;leaders&#8221;.  First and foremost they HAVE to follow any law, rule or regulation by which they are governed.  GBAD has not done so in this instance.  The second, is that the &#8220;leaders&#8221; do any growth in a planned, systematic manner to the greatest benefit to the greatest number of the people they represent.  GBAD seems to represent only the businesses in the downtown core area, and not the voters who elect them, that appears to be the case in this instance.   The law clearly states that they have to secure the approval of the people (who elect them) BEFORE  they can commit  to a debt &#8211; in this case, the Wells Fargo loan for which we the people would  ultimately suffer if it were not  successfully repaid.<br />
I do not understand why holding elected officials to the law can be seen as controversial.</p>
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		By: idaholc		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[idaholc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 22:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why would the average citizen want a bigger convention center?  I could care less if we attract conventions.  I would prefer we retain our own private Idaho.

As a dedicated growthophobe I see only folly in a growth based economy.  

More people need more facilities and services which require higher taxes.  More people mean more traffic, crime and diminished quality of life

In summary, growth sucks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the average citizen want a bigger convention center?  I could care less if we attract conventions.  I would prefer we retain our own private Idaho.</p>
<p>As a dedicated growthophobe I see only folly in a growth based economy.  </p>
<p>More people need more facilities and services which require higher taxes.  More people mean more traffic, crime and diminished quality of life</p>
<p>In summary, growth sucks!</p>
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		By: Rabula Publice		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99219</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabula Publice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Congrat&#039;s, Dave, &#038; thanx.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrat&#8217;s, Dave, &amp; thanx.</p>
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		By: John Smith		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erico, I don&#039;t think it is.  Apparently he doesn&#039;t like progression.  Under a rock is a good place for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erico, I don&#8217;t think it is.  Apparently he doesn&#8217;t like progression.  Under a rock is a good place for that.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/03/25/court-denies-gbad-planagain/#comment-99217</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boisecynic... Spokane&#039;s air connections are very similar or better than Boise&#039;s so it&#039;s not more isolated. (http://spokaneairports.net/non-stop/)  John Smith, your comment is out of line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boisecynic&#8230; Spokane&#8217;s air connections are very similar or better than Boise&#8217;s so it&#8217;s not more isolated. (<a href="http://spokaneairports.net/non-stop/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://spokaneairports.net/non-stop/</a>)  John Smith, your comment is out of line.</p>
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