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		By: J Smith		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/04/08/free-speech-back-on-city-social-media/#comment-99323</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s what will happen if all legitimate posters are allowed to use our public websites. Paid trolls will flood the websites with irrelevant, inflammatory, and misleading comments to drown out any legitimate comments. This is already happening on most every website that has a comment section. It is being done by government agencies and commercial entities all across America. There are now even automated  web bots that are fighting it out on comment sections.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what will happen if all legitimate posters are allowed to use our public websites. Paid trolls will flood the websites with irrelevant, inflammatory, and misleading comments to drown out any legitimate comments. This is already happening on most every website that has a comment section. It is being done by government agencies and commercial entities all across America. There are now even automated  web bots that are fighting it out on comment sections.</p>
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		By: Aggrieved Party		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/04/08/free-speech-back-on-city-social-media/#comment-99319</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aggrieved Party]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 22:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.&quot;
Edward R. Murrow

When loyal dissent is proffered with authenticity it cannot be discounted simply by ignoring it.  Sadly, more often than not, an ignoring status quo refuses to bend to or embrace the idea that change is the only constant.   Overcoming personal fear of becoming vulnerable is the hallmark of anyone willing to speak their version of truth to power. Remain true to authenticity and no apology is necessary for taking the time to try to become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. 
Silence from Hizzoner speaks volumes about what kind of a leader he sees himself to be.  Have you asked him what he wants to be when he grows up?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.&#8221;<br />
Edward R. Murrow</p>
<p>When loyal dissent is proffered with authenticity it cannot be discounted simply by ignoring it.  Sadly, more often than not, an ignoring status quo refuses to bend to or embrace the idea that change is the only constant.   Overcoming personal fear of becoming vulnerable is the hallmark of anyone willing to speak their version of truth to power. Remain true to authenticity and no apology is necessary for taking the time to try to become part of the solution instead of part of the problem.<br />
Silence from Hizzoner speaks volumes about what kind of a leader he sees himself to be.  Have you asked him what he wants to be when he grows up?</p>
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		By: blaskowitz		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/04/08/free-speech-back-on-city-social-media/#comment-99318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blaskowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great job Chief.  What a magnanimous gesture on your part.  One certainly wouldn&#039;t want the truth to be suppressed in any fashion now would we.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job Chief.  What a magnanimous gesture on your part.  One certainly wouldn&#8217;t want the truth to be suppressed in any fashion now would we.</p>
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		By: Michael Murphy / Mícheál Ó Murchú		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/04/08/free-speech-back-on-city-social-media/#comment-99317</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Murphy / Mícheál Ó Murchú]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 17:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My conversation with Chief Billy Bones was cordial and candid, and while not endorsing my particular brand of activism [ https://boiseguardian.com/2012/11/08/guv-observes-free-speech/ &#038; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-d93obE7Cg&#038;list=PLJRTPPfY-RKTh8pJ9HLX7WwHaV_3u4XSO&#038;index=3 ], Chief Bones seems to genuinely appreciate that acceptance of dissent is critical to a healthy department and healthy republic.

And whereas I have been a vocal critic of the Boise Police Department in the past (at one point calling for their disbanding, and replacement by the Ada County Sheriff&#039;s Office), I truly believe Chief Bones represents a turning point in the department&#039;s history.

It should be noted that the Boise Guardian played a critical role in bringing myself and the Chief together to resolve this issue in a timely manner, and without the need for Federal involvement and / or attorneys.

Unfortunately; but, not surprisingly, no such overture or magnanimity has been forthcoming from Mayor David Bieter or the politicos in the Mayor&#039;s Office, and I ain&#039;t holding my breath either.

Vox Populi, Vox Dei!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My conversation with Chief Billy Bones was cordial and candid, and while not endorsing my particular brand of activism [ <a href="https://boiseguardian.com/2012/11/08/guv-observes-free-speech/" rel="ugc">https://boiseguardian.com/2012/11/08/guv-observes-free-speech/</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-d93obE7Cg&#038;list=PLJRTPPfY-RKTh8pJ9HLX7WwHaV_3u4XSO&#038;index=3" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-d93obE7Cg&#038;list=PLJRTPPfY-RKTh8pJ9HLX7WwHaV_3u4XSO&#038;index=3</a> ], Chief Bones seems to genuinely appreciate that acceptance of dissent is critical to a healthy department and healthy republic.</p>
<p>And whereas I have been a vocal critic of the Boise Police Department in the past (at one point calling for their disbanding, and replacement by the Ada County Sheriff&#8217;s Office), I truly believe Chief Bones represents a turning point in the department&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>It should be noted that the Boise Guardian played a critical role in bringing myself and the Chief together to resolve this issue in a timely manner, and without the need for Federal involvement and / or attorneys.</p>
<p>Unfortunately; but, not surprisingly, no such overture or magnanimity has been forthcoming from Mayor David Bieter or the politicos in the Mayor&#8217;s Office, and I ain&#8217;t holding my breath either.</p>
<p>Vox Populi, Vox Dei!</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In spite of everythng said above, the truth is that &quot;freedom of speech&quot; only means that the City of Boise (or any other branch of government) cannot prosecute or imprison anyone for what they say.  The City of Boise&#039;s website and Facebook page belong to the City of Boise and thay can block any commenters thay want. They probably shouldn&quot;t, but they can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In spite of everythng said above, the truth is that &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; only means that the City of Boise (or any other branch of government) cannot prosecute or imprison anyone for what they say.  The City of Boise&#8217;s website and Facebook page belong to the City of Boise and thay can block any commenters thay want. They probably shouldn&#8221;t, but they can.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 15:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does this just cover comments the mayor&#039;s post or also creating a post to that page?  If so, somebody better inform the city council to open their page up.

EDITOR NOTE--In the Honolulu argument it seemed to apply to a site that invited comments.  The point was that if comments are accepted on the PUBLIC owned site, the agency couldn&#039;t edit or ban people based on critical, but legal content.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this just cover comments the mayor&#8217;s post or also creating a post to that page?  If so, somebody better inform the city council to open their page up.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;In the Honolulu argument it seemed to apply to a site that invited comments.  The point was that if comments are accepted on the PUBLIC owned site, the agency couldn&#8217;t edit or ban people based on critical, but legal content.</p>
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		By: The Last House On The Block		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/04/08/free-speech-back-on-city-social-media/#comment-99314</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Last House On The Block]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 15:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Easterner;

I see nothing there which would not allow an owner/operator of a &quot;blog&quot; to boot whomever they wish off their comment board. That in fact happens right here.

Largely I see the 14th just as irrelevant as the 1st here- both amendments are directed at large entities and certainly do not translate to counties, cities, or individual websites.

Personally, I don&#039;t like it either. But that&#039;s the way it is- all over the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Easterner;</p>
<p>I see nothing there which would not allow an owner/operator of a &#8220;blog&#8221; to boot whomever they wish off their comment board. That in fact happens right here.</p>
<p>Largely I see the 14th just as irrelevant as the 1st here- both amendments are directed at large entities and certainly do not translate to counties, cities, or individual websites.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t like it either. But that&#8217;s the way it is- all over the world.</p>
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		By: J Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 04:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Freedom of speech is not limited to the U.S. Constitution. It is considered an international basic human right, thought to have been first established in the 5th century BC in Athens. Try looking at the wiki page on the subject... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom of speech is not limited to the U.S. Constitution. It is considered an international basic human right, thought to have been first established in the 5th century BC in Athens. Try looking at the wiki page on the subject&#8230; <a href="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech</a></p>
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		By: Grumpy ole Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 04:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In this era when expressions such as WTF are both commonplace and readily accepted,it amazes me that anyone is surprised by speech as used in social media.  Speech which just a few years ago was considered profane seems to be in general use, so, what&#039;s the problem with the expression of honest opinion?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this era when expressions such as WTF are both commonplace and readily accepted,it amazes me that anyone is surprised by speech as used in social media.  Speech which just a few years ago was considered profane seems to be in general use, so, what&#8217;s the problem with the expression of honest opinion?</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear &quot;First&quot; house at the end of the block, 
And that is in part why the 14th Amendment came into being.  
Check it out: 

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;     nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

And then there is the Idaho Constitution too: 
SECTION 9. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Every person may freely speak, write and publish on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty.

Take your pick.  In any case, a government organization censoring speech simply because it is critical of the organization is exactly what should not be happening in America.  Not so with &quot;the old Boise Police&quot;. In this Facebook case, and also in their history of people videoing their actions in public.   
Insert here- video of the police officer murdering an unarmed man in South Carolina, falsifying a police report, and planting evidence. 

From blocking social media posts to tampering with (deleting by BPD) evidence... it&#039;s a slippery slope when police do whatever they want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8220;First&#8221; house at the end of the block,<br />
And that is in part why the 14th Amendment came into being.<br />
Check it out: </p>
<p>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;     nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.</p>
<p>And then there is the Idaho Constitution too:<br />
SECTION 9. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Every person may freely speak, write and publish on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty.</p>
<p>Take your pick.  In any case, a government organization censoring speech simply because it is critical of the organization is exactly what should not be happening in America.  Not so with &#8220;the old Boise Police&#8221;. In this Facebook case, and also in their history of people videoing their actions in public.<br />
Insert here- video of the police officer murdering an unarmed man in South Carolina, falsifying a police report, and planting evidence. </p>
<p>From blocking social media posts to tampering with (deleting by BPD) evidence&#8230; it&#8217;s a slippery slope when police do whatever they want.</p>
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