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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2015 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Mad

Dave has his web site up for another run for mayor.  

Plenty of ground up here in the quaint little town of Idaho City.  But my guess is you will miss the  shopping and stores.

Only issues up here are the  postmaster got in trouble for stealing gift cards out of the mail and the mail is all messed up....County got sued for millions and lost, 1/3 of the city center burned down, health center shut down.. and the city water system is leaking and they can find where it is leaking at.

Heck you can probably buy a whole block of the town right now.... and you could start your own Starbucks.

Trust me we will welcome you with open arms,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Mad</p>
<p>Dave has his web site up for another run for mayor.  </p>
<p>Plenty of ground up here in the quaint little town of Idaho City.  But my guess is you will miss the  shopping and stores.</p>
<p>Only issues up here are the  postmaster got in trouble for stealing gift cards out of the mail and the mail is all messed up&#8230;.County got sued for millions and lost, 1/3 of the city center burned down, health center shut down.. and the city water system is leaking and they can find where it is leaking at.</p>
<p>Heck you can probably buy a whole block of the town right now&#8230;. and you could start your own Starbucks.</p>
<p>Trust me we will welcome you with open arms,</p>
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		By: MadAsHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sure am hoping Team Dave will be replaced in the next election cycle.  Sick and tired of his regime.  Was hoping to escape the CA mentality that they represent when I fled the People&#039;s Republic nearly 27 years ago.  And I came here poor escaping the $1,400 a month Orange County apartments (that was just a lower crime one and not fancy one either) so I haven&#039;t added to the sprawl (currently living in a 1968 built house).

I fear Dave won&#039;t be gone till he runs for Governor (or Congress).  I have a suspicion that is his career goal.  Probably the same with ol&#039; TJ.

Development is a fact of life and I&#039;m not opposed to it, but I am opposed to taxing to stop it--I prefer a non-profit foundation like a Nature Conservancy.   The inconsistent growth and suspicious deals is worrisome.

The Treasure Valley continues to look more like Orange County/So Cal every day...*SOB*  I guess the only solution is to buy a property truly in the boonies too far away from civilization. 

Stuck in Ada I guess I can look forward to maybe having a Magic Kingdom soon.  That&#039;s all we need to recreate So. Cal in Idaho.  E-tickets (yes I&#039;m dating myself there) and fireworks every night during the summer.  YAY!

Go to the Idaho version of Anaheim Stadium and watch a game.  That probably comes when we finally get 2-3 million in the Valley!  Unless of course Team Dave finds a way to access that from us in taxes first.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure am hoping Team Dave will be replaced in the next election cycle.  Sick and tired of his regime.  Was hoping to escape the CA mentality that they represent when I fled the People&#8217;s Republic nearly 27 years ago.  And I came here poor escaping the $1,400 a month Orange County apartments (that was just a lower crime one and not fancy one either) so I haven&#8217;t added to the sprawl (currently living in a 1968 built house).</p>
<p>I fear Dave won&#8217;t be gone till he runs for Governor (or Congress).  I have a suspicion that is his career goal.  Probably the same with ol&#8217; TJ.</p>
<p>Development is a fact of life and I&#8217;m not opposed to it, but I am opposed to taxing to stop it&#8211;I prefer a non-profit foundation like a Nature Conservancy.   The inconsistent growth and suspicious deals is worrisome.</p>
<p>The Treasure Valley continues to look more like Orange County/So Cal every day&#8230;*SOB*  I guess the only solution is to buy a property truly in the boonies too far away from civilization. </p>
<p>Stuck in Ada I guess I can look forward to maybe having a Magic Kingdom soon.  That&#8217;s all we need to recreate So. Cal in Idaho.  E-tickets (yes I&#8217;m dating myself there) and fireworks every night during the summer.  YAY!</p>
<p>Go to the Idaho version of Anaheim Stadium and watch a game.  That probably comes when we finally get 2-3 million in the Valley!  Unless of course Team Dave finds a way to access that from us in taxes first.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2015 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part of the problem?

Thinking about Idaho&#039;s rich heritage of resource exploitation:  

Lot&#039;s of libtards point to Canada as a more advanced society than the USA.  They fail to know there are a total of 30 Million people in all of Canada.  Or how Canada has very large and vibrant Gas, Oil, Mining, Timber, Fisheries, Manufacturing, Science/Technology/University, and Transportation industries.  Canada also sells Electricity from Coal and Nuclear power plants to the USA.

We be so stupid... we have tied our own shoelaces together by promoting idiotic and impossible liberal social ideals.  Yes, the current crop of Republican RINO leadership is at the core of this libtardedness as well as the obvious O&#039;Bamites.

Hoping for a soft landing!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem?</p>
<p>Thinking about Idaho&#8217;s rich heritage of resource exploitation:  </p>
<p>Lot&#8217;s of libtards point to Canada as a more advanced society than the USA.  They fail to know there are a total of 30 Million people in all of Canada.  Or how Canada has very large and vibrant Gas, Oil, Mining, Timber, Fisheries, Manufacturing, Science/Technology/University, and Transportation industries.  Canada also sells Electricity from Coal and Nuclear power plants to the USA.</p>
<p>We be so stupid&#8230; we have tied our own shoelaces together by promoting idiotic and impossible liberal social ideals.  Yes, the current crop of Republican RINO leadership is at the core of this libtardedness as well as the obvious O&#8217;Bamites.</p>
<p>Hoping for a soft landing!</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Growing up in Idaho City our main industry was logging and some mining.  Heck the only time people from Boise came up here was for Gold Rush Days ( the old one).  

Way back in the day the Feds gave counties a portion of the logging receipts from Federal land.  That money was a huge amount of $ for Idaho City and Horse Bend.  It made up a significant portion of our school budget.

Back in 1976 PILT was about $2.58 per acre.  Also took into account timber harvest and grazing.

Well guess what? No more logging... no more grazing.. and no more jobs.

Congress is trying to do away with PILT and it will happen soon.  Last year it was $782 million to be split up between between the states.  This year it fell to $505 million. 
Boise County got $884,000 in 2000 and it got $391,000 this year.  That is for Horse bend and Idaho City.... (well Boise county) 

Now put that on top of the loss of the stupid law suit Boise County had for $2,000,000. plus  and the loss of Arrow Rock Dam as part of our tax basis.... It went to Emore county  Our taxes have skyrocketed... ( at least for me.)

I still would rather live in Idaho City than to live in Nampa or Caldwell.  It not a bad drive if you work on the east end of town.  But it is a dying town.  Why fill up with gas in Idaho City when you work in Boise and can get it cheaper?  Why would any kid go to college at Boise State and make the drive every day?

I had to make a 2 hour drive to Fred Meyer today for meds for my wife. Filled up with gas at Freddies and used my rewards card.  Trust me growth is not all bad.

Guess I&#039;m part of the problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in Idaho City our main industry was logging and some mining.  Heck the only time people from Boise came up here was for Gold Rush Days ( the old one).  </p>
<p>Way back in the day the Feds gave counties a portion of the logging receipts from Federal land.  That money was a huge amount of $ for Idaho City and Horse Bend.  It made up a significant portion of our school budget.</p>
<p>Back in 1976 PILT was about $2.58 per acre.  Also took into account timber harvest and grazing.</p>
<p>Well guess what? No more logging&#8230; no more grazing.. and no more jobs.</p>
<p>Congress is trying to do away with PILT and it will happen soon.  Last year it was $782 million to be split up between between the states.  This year it fell to $505 million.<br />
Boise County got $884,000 in 2000 and it got $391,000 this year.  That is for Horse bend and Idaho City&#8230;. (well Boise county) </p>
<p>Now put that on top of the loss of the stupid law suit Boise County had for $2,000,000. plus  and the loss of Arrow Rock Dam as part of our tax basis&#8230;. It went to Emore county  Our taxes have skyrocketed&#8230; ( at least for me.)</p>
<p>I still would rather live in Idaho City than to live in Nampa or Caldwell.  It not a bad drive if you work on the east end of town.  But it is a dying town.  Why fill up with gas in Idaho City when you work in Boise and can get it cheaper?  Why would any kid go to college at Boise State and make the drive every day?</p>
<p>I had to make a 2 hour drive to Fred Meyer today for meds for my wife. Filled up with gas at Freddies and used my rewards card.  Trust me growth is not all bad.</p>
<p>Guess I&#8217;m part of the problem.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Porcupine makes some good points. I too grew up in a dying town. Those of you who didn&#039;t probably have no idea what it&#039;s like to be 17, 18 years old with virtually no prospect of a job and no college to better yourself within an hour&#039;s drive. And so what if you want to go to college? No job means no money to pay for a car, insurance, registration and gasoline to get you there. You&#039;re stuck. 

This is part of a trend that&#039;s been going on for a long time. I don&#039;t pretend to have the all the answers. But it&#039;s clear, the old small town ways of farming, logging, mining and even ranching hold very little opportunity for the young. 

That&#039;s why they move to the cities. But then you have cities planning and zoning the door shut behind those who&#039;ve already made it here. Very little upzoning is happening except at the suburban fringe subsidized by taxpayer built roads.

Lusk St represents an upzone but CWI coming to west downtown represents a downzone in terms of residential use. You know, the kind of walkability and sustainability that so many are lip servicing. 

I&#039;m starting to ramble, but I rode my bike around the proposed CWI lot yesterday and tried to imagine: A) a college campus that becomes deserted at night, weekends, holidays and most of the summer, versus B) a vibrant mixed use development with apartments or condos, hotel rooms and restaurants open 360+ days a year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porcupine makes some good points. I too grew up in a dying town. Those of you who didn&#8217;t probably have no idea what it&#8217;s like to be 17, 18 years old with virtually no prospect of a job and no college to better yourself within an hour&#8217;s drive. And so what if you want to go to college? No job means no money to pay for a car, insurance, registration and gasoline to get you there. You&#8217;re stuck. </p>
<p>This is part of a trend that&#8217;s been going on for a long time. I don&#8217;t pretend to have the all the answers. But it&#8217;s clear, the old small town ways of farming, logging, mining and even ranching hold very little opportunity for the young. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they move to the cities. But then you have cities planning and zoning the door shut behind those who&#8217;ve already made it here. Very little upzoning is happening except at the suburban fringe subsidized by taxpayer built roads.</p>
<p>Lusk St represents an upzone but CWI coming to west downtown represents a downzone in terms of residential use. You know, the kind of walkability and sustainability that so many are lip servicing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to ramble, but I rode my bike around the proposed CWI lot yesterday and tried to imagine: A) a college campus that becomes deserted at night, weekends, holidays and most of the summer, versus B) a vibrant mixed use development with apartments or condos, hotel rooms and restaurants open 360+ days a year.</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave
we have a steady stream of traffic in the morning and evening.  People leaving in the morning to drive to Boise and people driving back after work. 

I have lived in Idaho City for 65 years now.  Went to school here... Well it was back in the day that they bused us to Boise...and trust me it not a quaint little ghost town any more.  It&#039;s a town that is dying.

Come up one day and talk to the quaint folks up here.  You will find out why folks are moving out of our little berg.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave<br />
we have a steady stream of traffic in the morning and evening.  People leaving in the morning to drive to Boise and people driving back after work. </p>
<p>I have lived in Idaho City for 65 years now.  Went to school here&#8230; Well it was back in the day that they bused us to Boise&#8230;and trust me it not a quaint little ghost town any more.  It&#8217;s a town that is dying.</p>
<p>Come up one day and talk to the quaint folks up here.  You will find out why folks are moving out of our little berg.</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Us &quot;hardy mountain folks&quot; are dying off and our kids are leaving the area for jobs that don&#039;t exist in our town.  Now with the fire one of the main summer employers of young folks has gone up in smoke.  A few get jobs at The Springs but have to be old enough to serve booze.

Folks that live in the Idaho City area work in Boise.  When you think about it is a 40 minute drive to Micron and you don&#039;t have to fight the freeway.

Sad thing is when you work in Boise you stop at the store, fill up with  gas, get your meds, and maybe stop for dinner all in Boise.  Our stores and gas station can&#039;t compete with the prices at Fred Meyers or Albertsons. Let&#039;s not even talk about getting to Doctor. The health center shut down. Our only bank is a ATM at the gas station or at the store.  We have no cell phone service (unless you park in front of the visitor center).

I have to laugh when I read some folks not wanting growth... Idaho City is a example of what happens when you don&#039;t have growth.  You die.

EDITOR NOTE--Porc, you just listed a bunch of reasons for people to populate your little burg…no CCDC, no ACHD, no Team Dave, low taxes.  If there place keeps growing it will no longer be a quaint historic ghost town. Do you really want a steady stream of traffic morning and evening?  I remember when the place was pop. 108.  Just checked &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_City,_Idaho&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WIKIPEDIA&lt;/a&gt; and they already have updated to include yesterday&#039;s fire in the history!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Us &#8220;hardy mountain folks&#8221; are dying off and our kids are leaving the area for jobs that don&#8217;t exist in our town.  Now with the fire one of the main summer employers of young folks has gone up in smoke.  A few get jobs at The Springs but have to be old enough to serve booze.</p>
<p>Folks that live in the Idaho City area work in Boise.  When you think about it is a 40 minute drive to Micron and you don&#8217;t have to fight the freeway.</p>
<p>Sad thing is when you work in Boise you stop at the store, fill up with  gas, get your meds, and maybe stop for dinner all in Boise.  Our stores and gas station can&#8217;t compete with the prices at Fred Meyers or Albertsons. Let&#8217;s not even talk about getting to Doctor. The health center shut down. Our only bank is a ATM at the gas station or at the store.  We have no cell phone service (unless you park in front of the visitor center).</p>
<p>I have to laugh when I read some folks not wanting growth&#8230; Idaho City is a example of what happens when you don&#8217;t have growth.  You die.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Porc, you just listed a bunch of reasons for people to populate your little burg…no CCDC, no ACHD, no Team Dave, low taxes.  If there place keeps growing it will no longer be a quaint historic ghost town. Do you really want a steady stream of traffic morning and evening?  I remember when the place was pop. 108.  Just checked <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_City,_Idaho" rel="nofollow">WIKIPEDIA</a> and they already have updated to include yesterday&#8217;s fire in the history!</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 05:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bieter will run for Governor.]]></description>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Us folks up in Idaho city would welcome new folks coming up.  The fire wiped out 1/3 of main street last night.

Mr Guardian could you move up here and help us restart Idaho City? You have a bunch great ideas.  Now is the time to put them to practice .

Forget Boise. We are less than an hour from the city limits.  We want growth  

Sell your house or (give it... ya right) to the poor folks you talk about.

We need you!

EDITOR NOTE--You make a tempting offer, Porc.  However, I have confidence you hardy mountain folks will be able to do your usual &quot;Phoenix Act&quot; and rise from the ashes.  Glad no one was injured.  I will bet there is a Federal program that will help local fire departments with used fire trucks--just like the MRAP for coppers.  Keep bugging me and perhaps I can offer some ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Us folks up in Idaho city would welcome new folks coming up.  The fire wiped out 1/3 of main street last night.</p>
<p>Mr Guardian could you move up here and help us restart Idaho City? You have a bunch great ideas.  Now is the time to put them to practice .</p>
<p>Forget Boise. We are less than an hour from the city limits.  We want growth  </p>
<p>Sell your house or (give it&#8230; ya right) to the poor folks you talk about.</p>
<p>We need you!</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;You make a tempting offer, Porc.  However, I have confidence you hardy mountain folks will be able to do your usual &#8220;Phoenix Act&#8221; and rise from the ashes.  Glad no one was injured.  I will bet there is a Federal program that will help local fire departments with used fire trucks&#8211;just like the MRAP for coppers.  Keep bugging me and perhaps I can offer some ideas.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vaccines, anti-biotics, sanitary sewers, pressurized drinking water, mass-produced food, advanced transportation / distribution networks and several other technologies make tightly packed living safe.  120 years ago... 50% of the population was considered &#039;rural&#039;... today it&#039;s less than 2%.  I&#039;m hopping for less than 1% rural so as to have even fewer neighbors!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaccines, anti-biotics, sanitary sewers, pressurized drinking water, mass-produced food, advanced transportation / distribution networks and several other technologies make tightly packed living safe.  120 years ago&#8230; 50% of the population was considered &#8216;rural&#8217;&#8230; today it&#8217;s less than 2%.  I&#8217;m hopping for less than 1% rural so as to have even fewer neighbors!</p>
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