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	Comments on: &#8220;Energize Vista&#8221; Project Well Intended, But Not Well Thought Out	</title>
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		By: Ben Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/06/10/energize-vista-well-intended-but-not-well-thought-out/#comment-99699</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s certainly our job as citizens to do more than complain about those who are seeking to solve legitimate problems, whether they&#039;re in the private or public sector, or to voice out concerns proactively when these decisions are being planned, not when those plans are being implemented -- now that would be true watchdog journalism, this is just reactionary negativity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly our job as citizens to do more than complain about those who are seeking to solve legitimate problems, whether they&#8217;re in the private or public sector, or to voice out concerns proactively when these decisions are being planned, not when those plans are being implemented &#8212; now that would be true watchdog journalism, this is just reactionary negativity.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zip- Unless you have concrete evidence, the city has little to do with food safety. That has been left to the state(CDHD) and Federal(USDA,FSIS).   Most likely the refugees grow less than $25,000/year so they are exempt. http://sustainableagriculture.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NSAC-FSMA-flowchart-final-v2.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zip- Unless you have concrete evidence, the city has little to do with food safety. That has been left to the state(CDHD) and Federal(USDA,FSIS).   Most likely the refugees grow less than $25,000/year so they are exempt. <a href="http://sustainableagriculture.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NSAC-FSMA-flowchart-final-v2.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sustainableagriculture.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NSAC-FSMA-flowchart-final-v2.pdf</a></p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@J Smith, I agree with you as it relates to highly processed foods like McDonalds, which is why my family will not eat there, but I think there is little risk in buying regular produce and I won&#039;t buy into the hype that we need to be gluten free, organic and non-gmo.  There are studies that show risks for these products (studies often funded by the producers of organics) and there are studies that show no risks (studies often funded by agri-science firms who produce pesticides and GMO&#039;s), but the bottom line is people are living healthier and longer lives than they ever have, and advances in medicine and agri-science plays a role in that longevity and vitality.

So to bring it back to the topic, I don&#039;t believe there is a material risk in normal produce, so I believe our tax dollars helping those in need should not be spent on premium priced organics, especially brought to your door service.  If such assistance was used on low cost staples, the money could go farther and more people could be helped.  

Additionally the idea of food stamps is to provide temporary assistance to those who had a setback, it is not meant to be a lifelong solution for any one individual.  Even if there is a risk on regular produce, which I am not convinced there is, consumption of such produce in the short-term is even a lower risk, so it makes even more sense to not use government dollars for organics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@J Smith, I agree with you as it relates to highly processed foods like McDonalds, which is why my family will not eat there, but I think there is little risk in buying regular produce and I won&#8217;t buy into the hype that we need to be gluten free, organic and non-gmo.  There are studies that show risks for these products (studies often funded by the producers of organics) and there are studies that show no risks (studies often funded by agri-science firms who produce pesticides and GMO&#8217;s), but the bottom line is people are living healthier and longer lives than they ever have, and advances in medicine and agri-science plays a role in that longevity and vitality.</p>
<p>So to bring it back to the topic, I don&#8217;t believe there is a material risk in normal produce, so I believe our tax dollars helping those in need should not be spent on premium priced organics, especially brought to your door service.  If such assistance was used on low cost staples, the money could go farther and more people could be helped.  </p>
<p>Additionally the idea of food stamps is to provide temporary assistance to those who had a setback, it is not meant to be a lifelong solution for any one individual.  Even if there is a risk on regular produce, which I am not convinced there is, consumption of such produce in the short-term is even a lower risk, so it makes even more sense to not use government dollars for organics.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clancy, I&#039;m fairly well informed.  Before you doubt me, sniff around a bit.  There are special rules for special people in Boise.  Part of the community garden gimmick.  No, the kids cannot legally sell coolaid... but in Boise the refugees are allowed sell stuff they grow.  aka rules suspended.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clancy, I&#8217;m fairly well informed.  Before you doubt me, sniff around a bit.  There are special rules for special people in Boise.  Part of the community garden gimmick.  No, the kids cannot legally sell coolaid&#8230; but in Boise the refugees are allowed sell stuff they grow.  aka rules suspended.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why not just put a basket of veggies on each of the city busses. Then those in need could show their ID or Medicade card and get carrots and some tomatoes.

Then there could be a veggie stand at the new bus center where they could get their watermelons and bigger items. And they could use the WIFI there too. Then we need to give them a PC to look for a job. Then we need to give them dog and cat food for their pets. Then the city could pay for YMCA memberships for all so they can shower, exercise, have day care, get a massage, etc.. Then they city can get then a buy one get one free haircut deal at the local cosmo school.

Then the city needs to give them a car and free gas.

Maybe Vivian had it right after all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just put a basket of veggies on each of the city busses. Then those in need could show their ID or Medicade card and get carrots and some tomatoes.</p>
<p>Then there could be a veggie stand at the new bus center where they could get their watermelons and bigger items. And they could use the WIFI there too. Then we need to give them a PC to look for a job. Then we need to give them dog and cat food for their pets. Then the city could pay for YMCA memberships for all so they can shower, exercise, have day care, get a massage, etc.. Then they city can get then a buy one get one free haircut deal at the local cosmo school.</p>
<p>Then the city needs to give them a car and free gas.</p>
<p>Maybe Vivian had it right after all.</p>
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		By: J Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 03:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ - There is a huge &quot;premium&quot; on Winco food, and most other supermarket chains as well. It is poisoned with pesticides and chemical preservatives, making those who eat it fat and sick, which is a huge drain on health care and productivity. It is sourced from farms where topsoil destruction, environmental degradation, and Frankenfood (GMO&#039;s) are the rule. Cheap food has huge hidden costs. Local, human labor, organic type farms are the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ &#8211; There is a huge &#8220;premium&#8221; on Winco food, and most other supermarket chains as well. It is poisoned with pesticides and chemical preservatives, making those who eat it fat and sick, which is a huge drain on health care and productivity. It is sourced from farms where topsoil destruction, environmental degradation, and Frankenfood (GMO&#8217;s) are the rule. Cheap food has huge hidden costs. Local, human labor, organic type farms are the future.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/06/10/energize-vista-well-intended-but-not-well-thought-out/#comment-99686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Zippo;

I would not say the laws are being suspended, but I would agree that the rules for farmers markets, refugee market day, food carts and trucks, would never meet the standards by which food businesses in a permanent building have to abide by.  Part of the reason I sold my 4 fast food franchises, hard to compete paying royalties, impact fees and thousands of dollars of property taxes, personal property taxes on every spoon, knife etc, and hundreds of dollars for city/county inspections, when a food truck or hot dog cart can park outside my business and pay only couple hundred bucks a year to be in the same business.

The City is its own worst enemy, it relies upon heavy taxation of retail businesses and then allows competing businesses which pay only a small fee, if a fee at all, to operate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zippo;</p>
<p>I would not say the laws are being suspended, but I would agree that the rules for farmers markets, refugee market day, food carts and trucks, would never meet the standards by which food businesses in a permanent building have to abide by.  Part of the reason I sold my 4 fast food franchises, hard to compete paying royalties, impact fees and thousands of dollars of property taxes, personal property taxes on every spoon, knife etc, and hundreds of dollars for city/county inspections, when a food truck or hot dog cart can park outside my business and pay only couple hundred bucks a year to be in the same business.</p>
<p>The City is its own worst enemy, it relies upon heavy taxation of retail businesses and then allows competing businesses which pay only a small fee, if a fee at all, to operate.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zip-  Food safety/security is regulated at the federal level for growing, packing and shipping.   The newest, improved version is the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2011.   http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/FSMA/

The FSMA is still in the implementation phase, but many local producers would like fall under the already in place exemptions.  I doubt the city or anyone else had control over this.

Who is affected:  http://sustainableagriculture.net/fsma/who-is-affected/

Much of the FMSA has been in place for many years for the larger producers.  The chain stores(Albertson,Walmart) and foodservice (SYSCO,USFoods) have demanded it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zip-  Food safety/security is regulated at the federal level for growing, packing and shipping.   The newest, improved version is the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2011.   <a href="http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/FSMA/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/FSMA/</a></p>
<p>The FSMA is still in the implementation phase, but many local producers would like fall under the already in place exemptions.  I doubt the city or anyone else had control over this.</p>
<p>Who is affected:  <a href="http://sustainableagriculture.net/fsma/who-is-affected/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sustainableagriculture.net/fsma/who-is-affected/</a></p>
<p>Much of the FMSA has been in place for many years for the larger producers.  The chain stores(Albertson,Walmart) and foodservice (SYSCO,USFoods) have demanded it.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to know how the food truck prices compare to Winco.  I think public assistance dollars need to be used at low price vendors.  Organic, non-GMO, farmer&#039;s market, etc is all good and well, but it comes at a premium and should not be eligible for food stamps.

Maybe I am just pissed that while getting coffee this morning at the gas station, the guy and his three kids in front of me used food stamps for chips and other treats.  They should be buying low cost bulk staples with our tax dollars, not Twinkies and Cheetos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know how the food truck prices compare to Winco.  I think public assistance dollars need to be used at low price vendors.  Organic, non-GMO, farmer&#8217;s market, etc is all good and well, but it comes at a premium and should not be eligible for food stamps.</p>
<p>Maybe I am just pissed that while getting coffee this morning at the gas station, the guy and his three kids in front of me used food stamps for chips and other treats.  They should be buying low cost bulk staples with our tax dollars, not Twinkies and Cheetos.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard the city and powerful non-profits have negotiated the suspension of the laws regulating food growing and food handling so as to allow the stuffs produced by the private community growers to be sold to the public.  Is this true??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard the city and powerful non-profits have negotiated the suspension of the laws regulating food growing and food handling so as to allow the stuffs produced by the private community growers to be sold to the public.  Is this true??</p>
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