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		By: flatlander		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/07/16/ada-to-sever-ties-to-ccdc/#comment-99838</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once again, the legacy of Roger Simmons rears it&#039;s ugly head.  He was the gift that keeps on &quot;giving&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, the legacy of Roger Simmons rears it&#8217;s ugly head.  He was the gift that keeps on &#8220;giving&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/07/16/ada-to-sever-ties-to-ccdc/#comment-99837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can appreciate your point, Guardian. Rather, it is not to &quot;keep them from voting&quot; it&#039;s just govt recognizing that putting it to a vote, it will not be approved. 
  
But &quot;2015 paying for the sins of a 1995 elected body&quot; happens ALL the time; and to a significant degree in some cases. 

A deferred expense is pretty much the same as debt.  

Avoid the cost today and someone else will have to pay the consequences later... true for buildings, services, maintenance, education, corrections, forestry, water, and every other role of government. 


 
Is there a comparative study how  &quot;vote for debt&quot; and debt vs leasing works in other states?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate your point, Guardian. Rather, it is not to &#8220;keep them from voting&#8221; it&#8217;s just govt recognizing that putting it to a vote, it will not be approved. </p>
<p>But &#8220;2015 paying for the sins of a 1995 elected body&#8221; happens ALL the time; and to a significant degree in some cases. </p>
<p>A deferred expense is pretty much the same as debt.  </p>
<p>Avoid the cost today and someone else will have to pay the consequences later&#8230; true for buildings, services, maintenance, education, corrections, forestry, water, and every other role of government. </p>
<p>Is there a comparative study how  &#8220;vote for debt&#8221; and debt vs leasing works in other states?</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/07/16/ada-to-sever-ties-to-ccdc/#comment-99836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[maybe that &quot;no debt&quot; model is a bad default position. 

If you are going to occupy a building location for MANY years, is it better to lease or buy?  (2008/2009 being the exception)

Seems like that provision forces (encourages) leasing and related schemes by government agencies which in the long run is typically more expensive.

EDITOR NOTE--East, the lease schemes are all aimed at keeping the citizens from voting to approve or reject debt.  Politicos feel that if they call it a lease, there is no &quot;purchase,&quot; hence no voter approval required.  It is simply dishonest governance aimed at getting around the voters.  There are many reasons to seek voter approval.  One very important reason is to prevent a 1995 elected body from forcing a 2015 elected body to pay for the sins of their fathers.  Only the citizens have the right to approve debt in excess of a single year&#039;s revenues.  Long term leases are aimed solely at going around the voters and they are illegal.  I have a case pending in the Supreme Court set for a September 3 oral argument against GBAD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe that &#8220;no debt&#8221; model is a bad default position. </p>
<p>If you are going to occupy a building location for MANY years, is it better to lease or buy?  (2008/2009 being the exception)</p>
<p>Seems like that provision forces (encourages) leasing and related schemes by government agencies which in the long run is typically more expensive.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;East, the lease schemes are all aimed at keeping the citizens from voting to approve or reject debt.  Politicos feel that if they call it a lease, there is no &#8220;purchase,&#8221; hence no voter approval required.  It is simply dishonest governance aimed at getting around the voters.  There are many reasons to seek voter approval.  One very important reason is to prevent a 1995 elected body from forcing a 2015 elected body to pay for the sins of their fathers.  Only the citizens have the right to approve debt in excess of a single year&#8217;s revenues.  Long term leases are aimed solely at going around the voters and they are illegal.  I have a case pending in the Supreme Court set for a September 3 oral argument against GBAD.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems odd to me that Canyon&#039;s budget is roughly 1/3 of Ada&#039;s. And Canyon has to fund roads out of that. Haven&#039;t gotten into details. Am I missing something? Population is roughly half.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems odd to me that Canyon&#8217;s budget is roughly 1/3 of Ada&#8217;s. And Canyon has to fund roads out of that. Haven&#8217;t gotten into details. Am I missing something? Population is roughly half.</p>
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		By: Bill McCrory		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/07/16/ada-to-sever-ties-to-ccdc/#comment-99834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill McCrory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those who may not have been around when the &quot;lease&quot; was created, why don&#039;t you explain exactly how Idaho law allows an installment purchase agreement to change into a &quot;lease&quot; agreement?

EDITOR NOTE--This original deal was put together before GUARDIAN editor Dave Frazier began defending the Idaho Constitution.  Here are a couple links that explain the process.  https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/07/n-idaho-court-upholds-constitution/  also https://boiseguardian.com/2014/07/14/ada-commishes-to-payoff-bonds-they-never-owed/  And Kootenai County was denied a similar crooked scheme when Commish Nelson stopped it in court a year ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who may not have been around when the &#8220;lease&#8221; was created, why don&#8217;t you explain exactly how Idaho law allows an installment purchase agreement to change into a &#8220;lease&#8221; agreement?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;This original deal was put together before GUARDIAN editor Dave Frazier began defending the Idaho Constitution.  Here are a couple links that explain the process.  <a href="https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/07/n-idaho-court-upholds-constitution/" rel="ugc">https://boiseguardian.com/2008/09/07/n-idaho-court-upholds-constitution/</a>  also <a href="https://boiseguardian.com/2014/07/14/ada-commishes-to-payoff-bonds-they-never-owed/" rel="ugc">https://boiseguardian.com/2014/07/14/ada-commishes-to-payoff-bonds-they-never-owed/</a>  And Kootenai County was denied a similar crooked scheme when Commish Nelson stopped it in court a year ago.</p>
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		By: Voter		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/07/16/ada-to-sever-ties-to-ccdc/#comment-99833</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This raises more questions than it answers and still does not solve the problems created by the CCDC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This raises more questions than it answers and still does not solve the problems created by the CCDC.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[$37M ?!?  What was the total original price tag?  

It appears as though they either over-paid or allowed the wife&#039;s interior decorating budget to get out of hand.

Is there still a special parking spot for that corvette convertible?

How are the finances of the projects associated with the courthouse?  Do we own those too?  If I recall there are several office and residential buildings intended to serve the courts workers / lawyers etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$37M ?!?  What was the total original price tag?  </p>
<p>It appears as though they either over-paid or allowed the wife&#8217;s interior decorating budget to get out of hand.</p>
<p>Is there still a special parking spot for that corvette convertible?</p>
<p>How are the finances of the projects associated with the courthouse?  Do we own those too?  If I recall there are several office and residential buildings intended to serve the courts workers / lawyers etc.</p>
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		By: Grumpy ole Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy ole Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2015 03:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Other funds&quot; ???
Is elucidation possible?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Other funds&#8221; ???<br />
Is elucidation possible?</p>
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