Comments on: Sharing Facts Is No Rush To Judgment

By: Foothills Rider

Foothills Rider — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:50:36 +0000

“Opinion – noun. A personal view, attitude, or appraisal”

In review, most of what is presented as “fact” in this entire string is not. The contradiction in this latest from Rick is the best! “No insult just fact as I see it.” Entertaining, all!

By: erico49

erico49 — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:08:05 +0000

Steve… of course cops can see the facts better than you and I. Just ask them. They can also attend to driving while fiddling with their computers better than a normal human. Just ask them. They can also ride side by side on motorcycles, safely. Just ask them.

By: Sal Nez

Sal Nez — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 05:39:32 +0000

Yes Rick I am a cop, are you a parolee, probationer, or just someone who feels he was wronged once and goes on a tirade against all cops. Who would you have respond when a person is needing help because some degenerare is breaking into their house? Who would you have respond when drunk husband is strangling his wife? Who would you have respond when a pissed of ex-employee us back at his office threatening the staff with a knife or a gun? Please Rick, tell me how you have solved who will help common everyday people that need help. Please Rick, enlighten me!

By: A. Aclem

A. Aclem — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 04:51:16 +0000

According to Rick if you defend cops or believe in getting some facts before we call for a lynching then must be a cop.

Zippo believes that if you call for cold blooded killing of fellow Americans (who happen to be police) like L.D. did, then you must be a cop trying to draw out radicals and cause trouble.

Can we stay on topic without some of you regulars making the whole site look like we wear tin foil hats?

By: J Smith

J Smith — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 02:14:49 +0000

EW- Paris is a false flag attack. Prepare to surrender more of your civil liberties to the Oligarch Overlords to save us from the mythical terrorists.
Short story… America creates and funds Al Queda and ISIS to attack certain Islamic countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria whose leaders don’t have their nose up the posteriors of the Elite.
Russia attacks ISIS in Syria to prevent a failed state on their border.
We/France rig a “terror attack” to scare the bejesus out of the citizens so they will back the sociopath Elite return to Syria to continue bombing them back to the Stone Age, even if it triggers WWIII, and nuclear missiles fly and create a nuclear winter killing everything on the planet except for ants and cockroaches.
The nightly news is a return to the 24/7 war drum beating inflicted upon us following 9/11. The media is running lockstep with the traitors orchestrating these events.
By the time proof of this atrocity being committed by our “leaders” is evident to all, such is now the case with the “Charlie Hebdo massacre”, America will be a much less free country.
I predict the national ID card, greater cell phone privacy invasions, the banning of cash, and other such Orwellian schemes that have been in the works will be ramroded through with little debate at frightening speed.
This is a textbook case of Naomi Klien’s Shock Doctrine at work.

EDITOR NOTE–Sorry guys. We are forced to close this thread…wandering way off topic which WAS release info on Adams county shooting incident.

By: rick

rick — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 21:37:08 +0000

Writer, I will comment on this in this post and then be done with this segment of the discussion. I think a person who writes “Of course no shootings “need to happen” if we do not care to be safe” and “Time after time when I see a person shot by police I think “good, they got the bastard.” has a very low level of intelligence, is ONLY interested in starting an argument, and is most likely a cop. The very fact that you cannot comprehend this proves I’m probably right. No insult just fact as I see it.
I assume “your workable solution” is to just shoot “desperadoes” who are ” in the act or on the run.” Is that correct? Let’s see how you like it when a cop decides you’ve done something wrong and decides to be judge, jury, and executioner in your case. I know, that won’t happen “you” don’t break the law. It is evidently fairly easy to sit in your McMansion in Eagle with your “carry gun” and worry about “those people.” You know the ones that cops need to protect you from. I personally cannot understand it. I have never been a person who would ever think I need to have a cop or a gun to be safe. It is sad to me that you do but, that is you.
There are several very easy solutions to the woe’s of this country. Ones applicable to this situation would be. 1) to hire individuals to be cops who’s first thought is not to cry “I was in danger” and go to the gun. Cops are not, no matter how much they think they are judge and jury. I took a CJ class taught by the then, and maybe still recruiter for BPD Charles Albanese who commented more than once if people wanted to lessen crime they needed to let the cops make the decisions. He said we don’t need lawyers, prosecutors or judges, cops can make better decisions as to who goes to jail and for how long. People like this 20 plus year cop are the main problem and IMHO need to be booted from any and all PD’s. If Chuck reads this he will swear he didn’t say it, and he will be a lair.
2) we need to take a serious look at the perpetrators of most crime. Wait that won’t work since the biggest crooks in this country are CEO’s, elected officials and cops who are all exempt from the rules. Ok now a legitimate 2nd why does the average street criminal do what “he” does? Money will be the overwhelming answer. Why doesn’t “he” have money? “He” doesn’t have a job. What do we do about that? That is an incredibly easy fix, if anyone really cared to fix it. Fix that problem and you will cut down crime drastically. I will let you chew on that one, and let you tell me just how wrong I am.
There are many more simple fixes for these problems, though most will never be implemented in Idaho or anywhere else. That in itself is a sad testament to the apathy and just plain ignorance of a public who can’t get past lock’em up and in your case just shoot’em. It’s sad that you are typical but, you are typical.

By: rick

rick — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 21:35:24 +0000

As always Sal you defend cops.. are you a cop Sal? You sure sound like one. I guess we do not need to talk about the 1000’s of rouge cops in this country. Is that what you are saying? We do not need to talk about a system that is increasingly putting out individuals like these two in Adams Co. who killed for no logical reason.
You say I spew the same thing over and over, well it is relevant in every situation I “spew” it about. You spew the same thing in every comment you make. It too is getting old and it’s getting harder and harder for intelligent people to take you seriously. I guess since what I am “spewing” you do not agree with means I should be forced to stay quiet is that correct? That is one thing cops depend on, people like you telling people like me we are not entitled to speak our mind. You are hoping I will go off on you and get the thread cut off, not gonna happen. The more people like you tell me to shut up the louder people like me need to yell the truth. Learn it, live it, and above all learn to love it.
You assume like cops do that anyone who doesn’t like them has had to have had a situation where they (people like me) were in the wrong. No Sal people like me, who see cops for what a good deal of them are, look at situations like Kelly Thomas in Fullerton, http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/0114/Kelly-Thomas-case-why-police-were-acquitted-in-killing-of-homeless-man-video. The one armed one legged man in Houston who was threatening a cop with an ink pen, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/22/officer-shoots-kills-double-amputee-in-wheelchair-in-houston/. Eric Garner in NY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajhpFT-lVZY. I ask why do cops do shit this stupid. All in these stories are now dead and all cops involved are walking the street and all are to my knowledge still cops. Get over yourself Sal, intelligent people do not look at these situations and say “good, they got the bastard” like Eagle Writer and I would imagine you do. Do you self a favor and don’t speculate on things you know nothing about, such as my motives. Dave (editor) my shut down my comments, it sounds as though that is what you would like but, you sure won’t shut me up.

By: Steve Crea

Steve Crea — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:14:20 +0000

One of my deep concerns is how the “facts” are developed in the ensuing investigations.

If the cameras were not on, then the “facts” will immediately be suspect, for me.

Further, there is a false presumption that the cops see “facts” more clearly than you or I.

By: sal nez

sal nez — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:39:45 +0000

As always Rick, you make this a forum to slam 1000’s of police officers. No doubt this incident needs investigating. no doubt there was wrongs done here and they need to be addressed. But your remarks about rogue cops across the country etc, is exactly the banter you have been spewing for years now. We get it Rick, you don’t like cops! You have been wronged before it seems and I am sure you were “right” in what ever the situation was that jaded you. However, when these articles are posted by Editor, why don’t you try and stay on track with the specific incident and get off your high horse about all police officers being bad, its getting old.

By: Eagle Writer

Eagle Writer — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:37:53 +0000

Rick,

LE don’t keep us safe, we can’t keep ourselves safe, and my intelligence is low because I approve of police shooting desperadoes in the act or on the run? Good to know.

You can insult, but do you have a workable solution?

Zippo, people in power are slimy and the media lie? Teach me. The media has reported an attack in Paris that was carried out by ISIS. Since that is a lie, help me know the truth. No attack? Not in Paris? Not ISIS? I want the truth, not the media lies. Help me.