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		By: J Smith		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/12/07/state-rep-asks-airport-to-reject-noise-study/#comment-100650</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where were all the mythical lovers of jet noise last night? Seems like they only exist in cyberspace... Military psyops? 
The CORPORATE MEDIA was MIA last night to cover this hugely important meeting, except for this one pathetic piece of trash by KBOI, which makes it seem like the sentiment was 50/50...
http://kboi2.com/news/local/boise-airport-hosts-last-public-meeting-to-bring-louder-jets
The &#039;corporate media&#039; is in cahoots with our cheap whore politicians (who were also all MIA last night) set on destroying our &quot;most liveable city&quot; with insanely loud military jet night flights.
Destroy hundreds of our homes to bring loud jets to Boise? Screw that! How about we bulldoze the whole airport complex and let them build another one ten or twenty miles out in the desert. Or.., just send all the loud jets to Mountain Home where they belong.
One person pointed out last night that even Mountain Home has a ten mile buffer zone around their runway!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were all the mythical lovers of jet noise last night? Seems like they only exist in cyberspace&#8230; Military psyops?<br />
The CORPORATE MEDIA was MIA last night to cover this hugely important meeting, except for this one pathetic piece of trash by KBOI, which makes it seem like the sentiment was 50/50&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://kboi2.com/news/local/boise-airport-hosts-last-public-meeting-to-bring-louder-jets" rel="nofollow ugc">http://kboi2.com/news/local/boise-airport-hosts-last-public-meeting-to-bring-louder-jets</a><br />
The &#8216;corporate media&#8217; is in cahoots with our cheap whore politicians (who were also all MIA last night) set on destroying our &#8220;most liveable city&#8221; with insanely loud military jet night flights.<br />
Destroy hundreds of our homes to bring loud jets to Boise? Screw that! How about we bulldoze the whole airport complex and let them build another one ten or twenty miles out in the desert. Or.., just send all the loud jets to Mountain Home where they belong.<br />
One person pointed out last night that even Mountain Home has a ten mile buffer zone around their runway!</p>
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		By: rick		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/12/07/state-rep-asks-airport-to-reject-noise-study/#comment-100649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[flyhead.... it is obvious you have no military experience... When was the last time a nuke was used... guess we don&#039;t need them... when was the last time a sub was used in a war... guess we don&#039;t need them... when was the last time your car insurance was used... guess you don&#039;t need it..
The AF tried what you are suggesting when they took the gun off of fighters... they found out real quick just how big a mistake that was.... thankfully some people can look at history and see the mistakes that were made and not repeat them...getting rid of fighters like you seem to be proposing would be a very very bad idea...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flyhead&#8230;. it is obvious you have no military experience&#8230; When was the last time a nuke was used&#8230; guess we don&#8217;t need them&#8230; when was the last time a sub was used in a war&#8230; guess we don&#8217;t need them&#8230; when was the last time your car insurance was used&#8230; guess you don&#8217;t need it..<br />
The AF tried what you are suggesting when they took the gun off of fighters&#8230; they found out real quick just how big a mistake that was&#8230;. thankfully some people can look at history and see the mistakes that were made and not repeat them&#8230;getting rid of fighters like you seem to be proposing would be a very very bad idea&#8230;</p>
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		By: flyhead		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/12/07/state-rep-asks-airport-to-reject-noise-study/#comment-100648</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flyhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get the need for fighter planes. When was the last time dog-fights in the air were used?

We have drones that are much more precise and don&#039;t put pilots at risk.  I do think we need to keep the big transport aircraft to deliver manpower and support equipment where it is needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the need for fighter planes. When was the last time dog-fights in the air were used?</p>
<p>We have drones that are much more precise and don&#8217;t put pilots at risk.  I do think we need to keep the big transport aircraft to deliver manpower and support equipment where it is needed.</p>
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		By: rick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My understanding of this whole deal is that Team Dave (not the editor) wants F35&#039;s stationed at Gowen to train pilots. Is that correct? 

If it is I am against it, not for the noise. I am against it simply for the reason that active duty individuals should not be trained by National Guard instructors. There is a vast difference in how the guard and the real military are setup and ran and I would be afraid that the pilots would be trained to guard standards which do not rise to the level of active duty.

As to the noise individuals who bought or built in the flight path of the airport have absolutely no reason to complain and should have no say in the decision. You bought there pull up your big people pants and make better decisions about where to live.

As to the citizen solider comment, every member of the military is a citizen. This special status that the weekend warriors seem to think they deserve is a slap in the face to individuals who live the military every day]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of this whole deal is that Team Dave (not the editor) wants F35&#8217;s stationed at Gowen to train pilots. Is that correct? </p>
<p>If it is I am against it, not for the noise. I am against it simply for the reason that active duty individuals should not be trained by National Guard instructors. There is a vast difference in how the guard and the real military are setup and ran and I would be afraid that the pilots would be trained to guard standards which do not rise to the level of active duty.</p>
<p>As to the noise individuals who bought or built in the flight path of the airport have absolutely no reason to complain and should have no say in the decision. You bought there pull up your big people pants and make better decisions about where to live.</p>
<p>As to the citizen solider comment, every member of the military is a citizen. This special status that the weekend warriors seem to think they deserve is a slap in the face to individuals who live the military every day</p>
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		By: L.D.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Typical.  Idaho thought process includes things like wanting freedom, but not wanting to hear or see the tools to have it.  Wanting &quot;rights&quot; but quickly give them away to feel safe (even for a short while). Putting &quot;buy it local&quot; stickers on foreign vehicles. And my favorite, saying &quot;coexist&quot; but yet, not willing to coexist with anyone else.  
I say bring the jets.  If you sissy pants people think that is too much, I dare you to spend even HALF the amount of time I did serving this country. Then, and only then do you really have a voice in the matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical.  Idaho thought process includes things like wanting freedom, but not wanting to hear or see the tools to have it.  Wanting &#8220;rights&#8221; but quickly give them away to feel safe (even for a short while). Putting &#8220;buy it local&#8221; stickers on foreign vehicles. And my favorite, saying &#8220;coexist&#8221; but yet, not willing to coexist with anyone else.<br />
I say bring the jets.  If you sissy pants people think that is too much, I dare you to spend even HALF the amount of time I did serving this country. Then, and only then do you really have a voice in the matter.</p>
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		By: No Jet Noise!		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/12/07/state-rep-asks-airport-to-reject-noise-study/#comment-100645</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No Jet Noise!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rabula, respect for your comment, however I think the ANG &quot;mission&quot; can/will change very quickly.  You may recall just a short time ago our Mayor and Governor and full Congressional contingent were doing their best to bring a 72 aircraft F-35A training squadron to Boise.  That would be 24/7 noise.  It went to Luke AFB instead.  Try try again they will!

john, totally get it man.  Meridian is actually one of the best places to live, but under the ILS approach course is not their best real estate.  FYI:  All pilots need to practice instrument approaches in good weather.  This means even fighter craft will sometimes fly the same approach to an airport as the airliners do.  (You may recall an A-10 cratered near meridian 1/20/2002.  The pilot was conducting such an approach to Boise airport.)  Practice in good weather is needed for the times when the visibility is very low.  The approach slope for these approaches is very gentle for safety reasons because a steep approach in low visibility is too difficult to judge and will often result in a crash.  Also, these same approach corridors are used in good weather by ATC to avoid collisions.  

john, Fighter aircraft have very noisy engines and terrible glide characteristics, so fighter aircraft conducting a gently sloping landing approach will be using a fair amount of power, thus generating a lot of noise.  Alternatively, if you can watch when they make a close in tight visual landing approach, the angle is much steeper and they are much quieter than your correct observations near your house.  Occasionally one can observe a high-speed penetration approach at Boise which is intended to avoid ground fire.  The wingman remains in position aloft to gun any bad guys shooting at the first planes in.

rick, your instability is showing.  The sound of freedom is the money leaving our bank accounts to pay for all these toys.  I for one know they have many options aside from shaking the ground under my house at night.  Our mayor and friends just don&#039;t care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rabula, respect for your comment, however I think the ANG &#8220;mission&#8221; can/will change very quickly.  You may recall just a short time ago our Mayor and Governor and full Congressional contingent were doing their best to bring a 72 aircraft F-35A training squadron to Boise.  That would be 24/7 noise.  It went to Luke AFB instead.  Try try again they will!</p>
<p>john, totally get it man.  Meridian is actually one of the best places to live, but under the ILS approach course is not their best real estate.  FYI:  All pilots need to practice instrument approaches in good weather.  This means even fighter craft will sometimes fly the same approach to an airport as the airliners do.  (You may recall an A-10 cratered near meridian 1/20/2002.  The pilot was conducting such an approach to Boise airport.)  Practice in good weather is needed for the times when the visibility is very low.  The approach slope for these approaches is very gentle for safety reasons because a steep approach in low visibility is too difficult to judge and will often result in a crash.  Also, these same approach corridors are used in good weather by ATC to avoid collisions.  </p>
<p>john, Fighter aircraft have very noisy engines and terrible glide characteristics, so fighter aircraft conducting a gently sloping landing approach will be using a fair amount of power, thus generating a lot of noise.  Alternatively, if you can watch when they make a close in tight visual landing approach, the angle is much steeper and they are much quieter than your correct observations near your house.  Occasionally one can observe a high-speed penetration approach at Boise which is intended to avoid ground fire.  The wingman remains in position aloft to gun any bad guys shooting at the first planes in.</p>
<p>rick, your instability is showing.  The sound of freedom is the money leaving our bank accounts to pay for all these toys.  I for one know they have many options aside from shaking the ground under my house at night.  Our mayor and friends just don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		By: J Smith		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/12/07/state-rep-asks-airport-to-reject-noise-study/#comment-100644</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The jet noise meeting tonight at the airport was 30 to 1 REJECTING THE F-15 &#038; F-35 as being too loud to be allowed to fly in Boise. 
Unless we live in an entirely phony political system, tonight&#039;s meeting should mean the people have spoken, and our representatives will do our bidding and reject the loud jets too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jet noise meeting tonight at the airport was 30 to 1 REJECTING THE F-15 &amp; F-35 as being too loud to be allowed to fly in Boise.<br />
Unless we live in an entirely phony political system, tonight&#8217;s meeting should mean the people have spoken, and our representatives will do our bidding and reject the loud jets too.</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much of this discussion seems to confuse the Idaho ANG personnel &#038; mission with those of the USAF.

The Idaho ANG have been flying military aircraft at Gowen since 1946—from WWII Mustangs &#038; Sabre jets in the &#039;40s &#038; &#039;50s to A-10s &#038; C-130s today, none of them exactly quiet machines.

If we insist on trying to solve the world&#039;s &#038; our own problems with military might, I kinda like the idea of making it as convenient as possible for citizen soldiers to live normally among us &#038; as comfortably as possible when they&#039;re &quot;off duty.&quot; I&#039;ll handle a little extra noise so they can be ready.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of this discussion seems to confuse the Idaho ANG personnel &amp; mission with those of the USAF.</p>
<p>The Idaho ANG have been flying military aircraft at Gowen since 1946—from WWII Mustangs &amp; Sabre jets in the &#8217;40s &amp; &#8217;50s to A-10s &amp; C-130s today, none of them exactly quiet machines.</p>
<p>If we insist on trying to solve the world&#8217;s &amp; our own problems with military might, I kinda like the idea of making it as convenient as possible for citizen soldiers to live normally among us &amp; as comfortably as possible when they&#8217;re &#8220;off duty.&#8221; I&#8217;ll handle a little extra noise so they can be ready.</p>
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		By: rick		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2015/12/07/state-rep-asks-airport-to-reject-noise-study/#comment-100642</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[john... I for one hope some F15 jock gets an idea where you live and decides t6o fly like he would in combat right over your house. You&#039;ve lived and worked near a navy base.. musta been pretty quiet... navy jets are notorious for being under powered and under maintained... As to the sound of freedom the day after you and relic do one thing for this country talk to me about what the military should be doing... as of right now I know on thing for sure... neither of you have a clue about how the military operates and what they should or should not be doing. You sir are the moron who bought a house under the flight path into and out of an airport... quit crying and suck it up. If you don&#039;t like the SOUND of FREEDOM I am sure that you can get a nice piece of property in Iraq or Syria. Now cynic the thread can be over...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john&#8230; I for one hope some F15 jock gets an idea where you live and decides t6o fly like he would in combat right over your house. You&#8217;ve lived and worked near a navy base.. musta been pretty quiet&#8230; navy jets are notorious for being under powered and under maintained&#8230; As to the sound of freedom the day after you and relic do one thing for this country talk to me about what the military should be doing&#8230; as of right now I know on thing for sure&#8230; neither of you have a clue about how the military operates and what they should or should not be doing. You sir are the moron who bought a house under the flight path into and out of an airport&#8230; quit crying and suck it up. If you don&#8217;t like the SOUND of FREEDOM I am sure that you can get a nice piece of property in Iraq or Syria. Now cynic the thread can be over&#8230;</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not really my fight but traveling thru Boise on the Interstate this morning I couldn&#039;t help but notice the miles of concrete walls on the North side of the Interstate and I think they are built for one reason--noise suppression for the houses nearby.
We lived many years next to a spot in the road where there was a one inch bump and countless times in the nite I was jolted wide awake when an empty truck hit the depression.
Sounds of freedom?--firecrackers, thunderclaps, screaming jet engines? It has nothing to do with it --It is respect for your neighbor and allowing him to enjoy a bit of peace and quiet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really my fight but traveling thru Boise on the Interstate this morning I couldn&#8217;t help but notice the miles of concrete walls on the North side of the Interstate and I think they are built for one reason&#8211;noise suppression for the houses nearby.<br />
We lived many years next to a spot in the road where there was a one inch bump and countless times in the nite I was jolted wide awake when an empty truck hit the depression.<br />
Sounds of freedom?&#8211;firecrackers, thunderclaps, screaming jet engines? It has nothing to do with it &#8211;It is respect for your neighbor and allowing him to enjoy a bit of peace and quiet.</p>
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