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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Just Saying:  Just like you and I, government needs more revenue to counter inflation.  We can disassociate our opinions of the role of government and agree on the time value of money]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Just Saying:  Just like you and I, government needs more revenue to counter inflation.  We can disassociate our opinions of the role of government and agree on the time value of money</p>
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		By: Just Saying!		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/01/03/bsu-seeks-to-wipe-out-boise-neighborhood/#comment-100748</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Saying!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 21:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jj said &#062;&#062; &quot;I understand the City and all governments, need more revenue, but it needs to kept in-line with the public’s ability to pay.&quot;

What a ludicrous thing to &quot;understand&quot;.  Why do they need more revenue?  Why?  They clearly do not.  

They clearly are expanding the scope, power, and spending of local government well beyond the original very basic purpose of local government.  Team Dave won&#039;t be happy until your taxes are on par or greater than big liberal cities.  He wants wine sipping liberal sheep to flood Boise and push out those who recall the simpler low cost days.  They want crime and poverty just like big liberal cities too.  Anything for more power and money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jj said &gt;&gt; &#8220;I understand the City and all governments, need more revenue, but it needs to kept in-line with the public’s ability to pay.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a ludicrous thing to &#8220;understand&#8221;.  Why do they need more revenue?  Why?  They clearly do not.  </p>
<p>They clearly are expanding the scope, power, and spending of local government well beyond the original very basic purpose of local government.  Team Dave won&#8217;t be happy until your taxes are on par or greater than big liberal cities.  He wants wine sipping liberal sheep to flood Boise and push out those who recall the simpler low cost days.  They want crime and poverty just like big liberal cities too.  Anything for more power and money.</p>
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		By: Brad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 21:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A great discussion offering many views on the leeching of residential tax rolls. But, I have a slightly different question.

If the area gets rezoned to &quot;University&quot; from &quot;Residential&quot;; does that mean that there is only one potential buyer for area homes?  
If that sole buyer is suffering from budget constraints, can they force a sale at an artificially low arbitrary  price for the public good?
Can an eminent domain condemnation be forced if a public (administrator only) parking lot is deemed necessary?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great discussion offering many views on the leeching of residential tax rolls. But, I have a slightly different question.</p>
<p>If the area gets rezoned to &#8220;University&#8221; from &#8220;Residential&#8221;; does that mean that there is only one potential buyer for area homes?<br />
If that sole buyer is suffering from budget constraints, can they force a sale at an artificially low arbitrary  price for the public good?<br />
Can an eminent domain condemnation be forced if a public (administrator only) parking lot is deemed necessary?</p>
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		By: Just Saying!		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/01/03/bsu-seeks-to-wipe-out-boise-neighborhood/#comment-100746</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Saying!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You get what you vote for.  In this case, socialism.  

You just wait until BSU proclaims the need for you to pay for their expansion with additional property taxes like CWI does.  You remember CWI?  The school for people too stupid to attend BSU... not a block away from BSU.  Look, CWI is on your taxes... because you voted for it!  Why not BSU also?  

How many on here whimpering about BSU and Team Dave voted for Obama?  Did you really think he would make his rich friends pay your bills?  How do you think his friends got rich... you idiots!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get what you vote for.  In this case, socialism.  </p>
<p>You just wait until BSU proclaims the need for you to pay for their expansion with additional property taxes like CWI does.  You remember CWI?  The school for people too stupid to attend BSU&#8230; not a block away from BSU.  Look, CWI is on your taxes&#8230; because you voted for it!  Why not BSU also?  </p>
<p>How many on here whimpering about BSU and Team Dave voted for Obama?  Did you really think he would make his rich friends pay your bills?  How do you think his friends got rich&#8230; you idiots!</p>
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		By: jj		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/01/03/bsu-seeks-to-wipe-out-boise-neighborhood/#comment-100744</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 19:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My property taxes last year:  $2,100
My property taxes this year:  $3,000

A 40% increase in property taxes.  

In comparison my pay raise last year was 2%.  

So I canceled cable TV and dropped one cell phone off the family plan.  While admittedly a first world problem to reduce luxuries, the point is to afford ever increasing taxes which are increasing faster than my pay or even CPI, I have to reduce my quality of life, reduce spending on the things I want so I can give the government more of my pay.  

One of the basic expectations of being dedicated and productive, is that the quality of life will at least be maintained if not improved.

While I am generally a fan of local control, I think it is time the State stepped in and saved us from a tax and spend Boise political machine and pass a law that property taxes can not increase more than CPI, or some other reasonable index.  I understand the City and all governments, need more revenue, but it needs to kept in-line with the public&#039;s ability to pay.

EDITOR NOTE--JJ, there is already a 3% limit on city BUDGETS.  The formula excludes &quot;new construction so you often hear &quot;3% plus the value of new construction.&quot;  The theory is that cities approve their budgets in August and then pass a LEVY to determine the RATE we all pay to cover the cost of government.  The problem I see is when they reduce the number of taxable properties--like within CCDC urban renewal districts, city-owned rental facilities, state owned places like 10 Barrel Brewing, etc.  Fewer people to split the costs combined with a 3% budget increase means higher taxes.  The RATE often remains near static and the politicos make do because the VALUE of property increases, but is taxed at the same RATE.
Hope this helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My property taxes last year:  $2,100<br />
My property taxes this year:  $3,000</p>
<p>A 40% increase in property taxes.  </p>
<p>In comparison my pay raise last year was 2%.  </p>
<p>So I canceled cable TV and dropped one cell phone off the family plan.  While admittedly a first world problem to reduce luxuries, the point is to afford ever increasing taxes which are increasing faster than my pay or even CPI, I have to reduce my quality of life, reduce spending on the things I want so I can give the government more of my pay.  </p>
<p>One of the basic expectations of being dedicated and productive, is that the quality of life will at least be maintained if not improved.</p>
<p>While I am generally a fan of local control, I think it is time the State stepped in and saved us from a tax and spend Boise political machine and pass a law that property taxes can not increase more than CPI, or some other reasonable index.  I understand the City and all governments, need more revenue, but it needs to kept in-line with the public&#8217;s ability to pay.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;JJ, there is already a 3% limit on city BUDGETS.  The formula excludes &#8220;new construction so you often hear &#8220;3% plus the value of new construction.&#8221;  The theory is that cities approve their budgets in August and then pass a LEVY to determine the RATE we all pay to cover the cost of government.  The problem I see is when they reduce the number of taxable properties&#8211;like within CCDC urban renewal districts, city-owned rental facilities, state owned places like 10 Barrel Brewing, etc.  Fewer people to split the costs combined with a 3% budget increase means higher taxes.  The RATE often remains near static and the politicos make do because the VALUE of property increases, but is taxed at the same RATE.<br />
Hope this helps.</p>
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		By: Fran Ciarlo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fran Ciarlo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been reading and rereading the comments.  This is another example of Bieter and the city council basically ignoring any part of Boise that isn&#039;t downtown or the north end.  They are mum on the issue of the F35 jets ruining the upper bench environment, basically making the whole place uninhabitable.  and now this.  I have seen my property taxes increase by over $500 in three years and this will just cause more increases as we take more homes off the tax rolls.  I find the whole issue deplorable and frustrating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading and rereading the comments.  This is another example of Bieter and the city council basically ignoring any part of Boise that isn&#8217;t downtown or the north end.  They are mum on the issue of the F35 jets ruining the upper bench environment, basically making the whole place uninhabitable.  and now this.  I have seen my property taxes increase by over $500 in three years and this will just cause more increases as we take more homes off the tax rolls.  I find the whole issue deplorable and frustrating.</p>
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		By: We will listen but it will not make a diffenence		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We will listen but it will not make a diffenence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 00:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boise State University says it wants to de-emphasize long-term parts of its proposed 30-year master plan, focus on “essential near-term issues” and work with the city, neighbors and the public on both the longer-term plan.

“Although we have spent over two years thoroughly vetting this plan, it is also important to us that our neighbors and constituencies are heard in the approval process,” wrote Associate President Michael Sumpter in a letter to the city on Tuesday (Jan. 5), two days after the Idaho This just from the daily rag..... the Statesman reported details of the plan in a story and maps.

The Boise City Council is scheduled to hold a public hearing on the master plan on Tuesday, Jan. 19.

YOU BET THEY WILL &quot;LISTEN&quot; BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR PLANS. Just like the city council and mayor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boise State University says it wants to de-emphasize long-term parts of its proposed 30-year master plan, focus on “essential near-term issues” and work with the city, neighbors and the public on both the longer-term plan.</p>
<p>“Although we have spent over two years thoroughly vetting this plan, it is also important to us that our neighbors and constituencies are heard in the approval process,” wrote Associate President Michael Sumpter in a letter to the city on Tuesday (Jan. 5), two days after the Idaho This just from the daily rag&#8230;.. the Statesman reported details of the plan in a story and maps.</p>
<p>The Boise City Council is scheduled to hold a public hearing on the master plan on Tuesday, Jan. 19.</p>
<p>YOU BET THEY WILL &#8220;LISTEN&#8221; BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR PLANS. Just like the city council and mayor.</p>
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		By: Voter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 00:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The sad fact is that our elected officials could care less what we pay in property taxes. They simply don&#039;t care about the load on the citizens. 

The ONLY factor that crosses there minds in this regard is if they &quot;feel&quot; THEY &quot;need more&quot; money so they can spend more. Then they thing about how to TAKE more - not give more back. They also &quot;feel&quot; they know how to spend our money better than we do.

There is no other time they even give it a thought.

That is what happens when you elect people that have no regard for others or their money. We see it at the national level as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad fact is that our elected officials could care less what we pay in property taxes. They simply don&#8217;t care about the load on the citizens. </p>
<p>The ONLY factor that crosses there minds in this regard is if they &#8220;feel&#8221; THEY &#8220;need more&#8221; money so they can spend more. Then they thing about how to TAKE more &#8211; not give more back. They also &#8220;feel&#8221; they know how to spend our money better than we do.</p>
<p>There is no other time they even give it a thought.</p>
<p>That is what happens when you elect people that have no regard for others or their money. We see it at the national level as well.</p>
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		By: Angry_Floyd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angry_Floyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I take issue with your claim that &quot;One doesn’t need a BSU degree in economics to figure out when you take property off the tax rolls and increase costs it is a losing proposition…for citizens of Boise.&quot;  A quick Google search would have given you a long list of articles (by actual economists) which describe the great economic benefit a university provides to its community.  The cost of taking the property off the tax rolls pales in comparison to the benefit to our community.

EDITOR NOTE--Floyd, I stand by my comment.  Take a look at the long comment below from Yossarian_22 detailing the negative impact on PROPERTY TAXES from New England schools. The growth issue relates to property taxes, not more business for restaurants and hotels.  More residents--on or off campus-- means more demand for services and infrastructure with LESS property tax base.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take issue with your claim that &#8220;One doesn’t need a BSU degree in economics to figure out when you take property off the tax rolls and increase costs it is a losing proposition…for citizens of Boise.&#8221;  A quick Google search would have given you a long list of articles (by actual economists) which describe the great economic benefit a university provides to its community.  The cost of taking the property off the tax rolls pales in comparison to the benefit to our community.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Floyd, I stand by my comment.  Take a look at the long comment below from Yossarian_22 detailing the negative impact on PROPERTY TAXES from New England schools. The growth issue relates to property taxes, not more business for restaurants and hotels.  More residents&#8211;on or off campus&#8211; means more demand for services and infrastructure with LESS property tax base.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have sat at many City Council meetings where the Council laments the loss of property tax to the expansion of St. Lukes, St. Als, BSU etc.  But this is the same council that expands the airport, buys new city parks, buys foothill lands to preserve it from taxable development, and offers tax avoidance to businesses as incentives to come to Boise, all of which reduces the tax revenue and further burdens those who do pay.  


If the City was truly interested in leading by example they would sell and privatize (including the land) all the airport parking, city owned golf courses and City owned bare land or under-utilized land.  The truth is the City is just fine with taking property off the tax roles when it is their choice, but they cry and complain when other qualified entities do the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sat at many City Council meetings where the Council laments the loss of property tax to the expansion of St. Lukes, St. Als, BSU etc.  But this is the same council that expands the airport, buys new city parks, buys foothill lands to preserve it from taxable development, and offers tax avoidance to businesses as incentives to come to Boise, all of which reduces the tax revenue and further burdens those who do pay.  </p>
<p>If the City was truly interested in leading by example they would sell and privatize (including the land) all the airport parking, city owned golf courses and City owned bare land or under-utilized land.  The truth is the City is just fine with taking property off the tax roles when it is their choice, but they cry and complain when other qualified entities do the same.</p>
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