Comments on: Protest Erupts In Gun Fire At Burns, Rangeland Protesters Set To Meet In Boise Saturday

By: Taxed Out

Taxed Out — Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:21:02 +0000

J. Smith. You are a genius to extract so many opinions from so little. Who am I to cross swords with you. You are also a mind reader to know what I have read and do read. You are evidently a legend in your own mind to know so much. What is beyond me is why you would waste your time attacking people on this website when you should be on Fox News.

By: J Smith

J Smith — Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:22:12 +0000

Taxed Out – If we are thriving, perhaps you could explain why the Baltic Dry Index has been steadily going down to levels not seen since the 1980’s, and shipping traffic in the oceans has virtually stopped?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-11/nothing-moving-baltic-dry-crashes-insiders-warn-commerce-has-come-halt
Also, if unemployment statistics were calculated the way they were during the Great Depression, we would all know that there are more people unemployed now than in the depths of the Great Depression. Also, 46 million Americans can’t even afford food, so would be lined up around the block and very visible if it weren’t for food stamps.
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/10/08/why-this-feels-like-a-depression-for-most-people/
Being as you read the Boise Guardian, you must understand the TV and newspapers are full of misinformation. You really need to shut off the popular media and their comforting lies.

By: ACLU FAIL

ACLU FAIL — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:43:02 +0000

I’ve requested the NRA spin up a conservative civil rights branch to counter the liberal destruction of the Constitution.

By: CJ Petrovsky

CJ Petrovsky — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:47:59 +0000

Taxed Out: Thank you. Concur wholeheartedly.

Easterner: Big fun!

By: Easterner

Easterner — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:30:09 +0000

Since one side of the case is obviously supported by the Tea Party type of people- the far right religious, the anti-government, the people against public education, the people in favor of family values, racism, bigotry, speaking “American”, and the gold standard… The people in favor of taking over a wildlife refuge.

I think it is fun to highlight one of their popular representatives discussing federal lands.

From the big state of Alaska, with more square miles of federal land than any other state, Sarah Palin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_sD83FAQk

By: Clancy

Clancy — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:08:49 +0000

Bikeboy, Ammon is a recent Emmett property owner and registered voter! http://www.betteridaho.org/2016/01/ammon-bundys-idaho-connection/

One of the speakers on Saturday is an attorney for Cliven Bundy. It will be interesting to hear the spin on recent events. The Bundy Ranch on social media have still been trying to rally the troops. http://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/local/mesquite/2016/01/25/bundy-attorney-joins-public-lands-debate-utah/79260994/

By: Taxed Out

Taxed Out — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:08:40 +0000

Dave, as you know, I only comment infrequently. There was a time when on your site the comments were uniformly well thought out, like Bikeboy’s views for example. Now, it seems like the majority of comments are made by the spawn of “chicken little” and if a person were to believe them a person would believe anarchy was only a moment away or that government was completely nonfunctional.

I could make a long list of things I am unhappy with when it comes to the government but I could make a longer list of things I approve of when it comes to government. At the top of the list, would be the management of public lands. We have a good life in the west and our lifestyle is a direct result of the public lands and the way they are managed for all the people, not for a few malcontents.

Even if a person does not use the public lands, they still derive the benefits of all that open country, from the protected watersheds and cleaner air to the money that is pumped into the economy by the people who use them for consumptive and recreational purposes. Managing for “multiple use” is not an easy task when most of us are only advocates for only our favorite use.

The country, the state of Idaho and Boise are not “in the toilet” but are thriving. Sure, there are problems but that is to be expected when you have 300+ million people trying to get along. Complaining has its place but complaining without an understanding of the entire reality of our society is a wasted effort. We are not, as a society, going to move back to the past. Like it or not, we are moving forward. Hopefully, we will move forward in a constructive manner.

By: ACLU FAIL

ACLU FAIL — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 02:32:23 +0000

Many Years ago I listened to a liberal POS Sun Valley lawyer speak in a snarky manner about how he was crushing the Farmer/Rancher tradition throughout the West. He was very proud and all the movie stars cheered him on with donations. His number one tool was money from environmental groups given to our pretend Congressional delegation who then allowed the federal land managers to pinch off the targeted agricultural groups.

The media, our fourth branch of government, is also very dishonest about what’s been happening.

Timothy James McVeigh and friends were wrong headed mentally defective murdering pieces of crap. However, they were obviously the spawn of a group of people who felt cheated and under represented. Unfortunately these people are smart and resourceful. As Timothy demonstrated, they did not burn down their own neighborhood like protesting Blacks. Unfortunately, I fear, and reason, that the protester conflict and killing yesterday will spawn more Timothys. (I personally do not support or justify or rationalized such criminal acts… just saying, gosh folks, this is pretty obvious possibility don’t ya think.)

Long Term Fix: So I suggest we look beyond the crazy bad guys on the fringe, as they are merely a symptom. If we look at the basis of the problem there seems to be a couple of true stories. First, lefty activist have specifically and overwhelmingly targeted this population for destruction. They are able to have much more influence over the federal lands than do the Farmer/Ranchers. Secondly, America is not supposed to be about who’s got more lobby power in DC, but in fact that is exactly how DC functions. Constitution rights only considered if you slip me some money. Not even the entire State of Idaho, led by a Rancher Governor, can overpower DC if there is more money on the other side of the issue.

ACLU where are you? If the Farmer/Ranchers were poor pregnant illegal aliens, the ACLU would step in the way of the government oppression. Unfortunately the ACLU is a very political leftist organization which will not engage on the issue to help the mostly conservative white guys in this pincher. In fact, the Federal government has become like the armed wing of the environmentalist movement with the encouragement of the ACLU.

So I propose a solution to have a conservative version of the ACLU… So the nuts on the fringes of legitimate social and land use arguments can relax and let fair civil proceedings protect their rights and settle disputes. Such an organization used to be called the GOP, but we all know what a bunch of wine sipping socialite RINOs that group has become. I suggest government funding to get this organization started. I also suggest declaring Farmer Ranchers an endangered minority and protect them with anti-genocide laws.

By: Yossarian_22

Yossarian_22 — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:50:33 +0000

Now, I normally have always sided with the enviros re land use, especially grazing land which I had assumed to be abused by cattle all of the time. But, this assumption chained me to one side of the story. So, I wanted to see what the rancher side looked like and found this well presented chronology that explained the play by play of this conflict re the Hammond ranch/Refuge conflict. If that 1975 study (which I am still looking for) is correct, then the BLM has a lot of explaining to do here.

See for yourself….

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

By: jj

jj — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:21:00 +0000

There is no such thing as private land. Private land is actually public land the government will lease to you and your lease payment is property taxes. Your lease payment can be changed at will by the landlord (government), and should you not pay, your land will be taken.

The sooner everyone realizes our rights are eroded, and the american dream is dead, the sooner real change can occur.

I don’t blame our politicians, the voices asking the politicians to create and fund new programs, far outweigh the voices asking for lower taxes and fewer services.