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		By: J Smith		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/04/08/sound-of-freedom-different-in-foothills/#comment-101271</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2016 03:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[33 years on, and insulting others anonymously is still seen as a supreme act of cowardice...
&quot;...The term &quot;flaming&quot; may originate from The Hacker&#039;s Dictionary, which in 1983 defined it as &quot;to speak rabidly or incessantly on an uninteresting topic or with a patently ridiculous attitude&quot;...&quot; Wikipedia 

For those who never heard of Cass Sunstein...
&quot;...Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama’s closest confidants.  Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.”  

In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-“independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government.  This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists...&quot; Salon Jan 15, 2010

EDITOR NOTE--OK guys.  Since you have veered so far off the topic of foothills shooting noise vs fighter]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33 years on, and insulting others anonymously is still seen as a supreme act of cowardice&#8230;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;The term &#8220;flaming&#8221; may originate from The Hacker&#8217;s Dictionary, which in 1983 defined it as &#8220;to speak rabidly or incessantly on an uninteresting topic or with a patently ridiculous attitude&#8221;&#8230;&#8221; Wikipedia </p>
<p>For those who never heard of Cass Sunstein&#8230;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama’s closest confidants.  Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.”  </p>
<p>In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-“independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government.  This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists&#8230;&#8221; Salon Jan 15, 2010</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;OK guys.  Since you have veered so far off the topic of foothills shooting noise vs fighter</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/04/08/sound-of-freedom-different-in-foothills/#comment-101270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2016 01:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ironic, perhaps?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ironic, perhaps?</p>
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		By: Light Bulb Illuminated		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/04/08/sound-of-freedom-different-in-foothills/#comment-101269</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Light Bulb Illuminated]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2016 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care, I don&#039;t even live there.  HQ assigned me to tease a bit... and I can sip the vodka when working from home.  The sad part is most of what I wrote is true.  (My gosh western booze is so much better than the solvent in Russia.)

Do you find it weird that &#039;Snowden&#039; was a crew member... and change agent on Yossarian&#039;s aircraft?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care, I don&#8217;t even live there.  HQ assigned me to tease a bit&#8230; and I can sip the vodka when working from home.  The sad part is most of what I wrote is true.  (My gosh western booze is so much better than the solvent in Russia.)</p>
<p>Do you find it weird that &#8216;Snowden&#8217; was a crew member&#8230; and change agent on Yossarian&#8217;s aircraft?</p>
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		By: Yossarian_22		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/04/08/sound-of-freedom-different-in-foothills/#comment-101268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yossarian_22]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Light Bulb - wow, that was quite a comedic dissertation. I&#039;m still trying to figure out what your position on F-35s at Gowen and the BPD shooting range is. But, if you are a member of Cass Sunstein&#039;s cognitive infiltrators then you are certainly one of the more creative writers I&#039;ve seen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Light Bulb &#8211; wow, that was quite a comedic dissertation. I&#8217;m still trying to figure out what your position on F-35s at Gowen and the BPD shooting range is. But, if you are a member of Cass Sunstein&#8217;s cognitive infiltrators then you are certainly one of the more creative writers I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/04/08/sound-of-freedom-different-in-foothills/#comment-101267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 19:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good topic Gaurdian. 
And a fair comparison. Rabular and Rinehart are missing the point. 

However,  the current shooting is an in adequate facility in any location and in any regard.  

Boise City SHOULD use that site and build a nice indoor range available for the paying public and on particular days available for free for city police and school security persons.-- Operated by City Parks and Rec.     

Shoot em, if you got em.

EDITOR NOTE--I have brought it up to the Police Chief as recently as Friday!  LAPD had a range open to the public for years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good topic Gaurdian.<br />
And a fair comparison. Rabular and Rinehart are missing the point. </p>
<p>However,  the current shooting is an in adequate facility in any location and in any regard.  </p>
<p>Boise City SHOULD use that site and build a nice indoor range available for the paying public and on particular days available for free for city police and school security persons.&#8211; Operated by City Parks and Rec.     </p>
<p>Shoot em, if you got em.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;I have brought it up to the Police Chief as recently as Friday!  LAPD had a range open to the public for years.</p>
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		By: Light Bulb Illuminated		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/04/08/sound-of-freedom-different-in-foothills/#comment-101266</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Light Bulb Illuminated]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J Smith, Those are all flying over the city to intercept wireless traffic for the NSA.  J, are you a bad guy?  We just can&#039;t tell who the bad guy is anymore, so we&#039;re going to search everyone&#039;s junk and record everyone&#039;s electronic traffic.  J, there are even frogmen in the sewer and RFID chips in each load of trash.  Then, after collections of everything, to sort the meta-data, they gave the low bid to a building full of muslim refugees in Pakistan to determine the good recordings from the bad.  Face East and bend over 7 times a day and you&#039;ll be fine.

Noisy low flying military jets: Why!?!? are there noisy military jets over our fair city? (not to be mistaken with the quite A-10) Several possibilities.  But first note they do not say USAF on them.  In fact it might say something in some foreign scribbly backward writing.  Speculations:  1)  Mountain Home AFB is where the USAF keeps lots of super secret stuff that goes boom and the guys just dropping in for a few days from Timbuktu couldn&#039;t pass the security clearance for the McDonald&#039;s secret sauce recipe much less our nuke secrets.  They are only in the States because LMT-BA promised their country they teach their guy how to transition from the Mig-17 into the F-16 with only 20% losses in the first year.   2) Boise has better bars than MHAFB.  3) Boise has better girls than MHAFB.  4) The Mayor sent them a personal invitation to fly over your house.  5) We could do this all day... but it comes down to MHAFB is not as appealing to a guy zooming around America in a personal fighter jet.  

Why Southern Idaho?  We have a really cool training range where countries from all over the world send their military forces to train.  Yes, integrated training from boots to trucks to tanks to artillery to AA to high tech aircraft and everything in between.

Gowen is a big part of all this foreign training stuff.  It&#039;s so important, some think the Air Force would rather close MHAFB and expand in Boise.  Such talk is very arousing to the city leaders because it means pouring several cubic miles of new concrete at their airport.

So in short, the low flying FA-18E/F could very well be a thirsty, sleepy, horny foreign pilot with the King&#039;s credit cards and a weekend pass.

There is another way to look at this.  Maybe the Mayor is right.  Boise is circling the drain jobs wise.  Did you know some of these large military training bases in the South, South East USA employ 100,000 people?  I&#039;m thinking build an elevated cable tram from the General&#039;s office at Gowen through the Downtown Bars-n-Girls district and then right the top of Bogus... and try again for the Luke contract.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Smith, Those are all flying over the city to intercept wireless traffic for the NSA.  J, are you a bad guy?  We just can&#8217;t tell who the bad guy is anymore, so we&#8217;re going to search everyone&#8217;s junk and record everyone&#8217;s electronic traffic.  J, there are even frogmen in the sewer and RFID chips in each load of trash.  Then, after collections of everything, to sort the meta-data, they gave the low bid to a building full of muslim refugees in Pakistan to determine the good recordings from the bad.  Face East and bend over 7 times a day and you&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
<p>Noisy low flying military jets: Why!?!? are there noisy military jets over our fair city? (not to be mistaken with the quite A-10) Several possibilities.  But first note they do not say USAF on them.  In fact it might say something in some foreign scribbly backward writing.  Speculations:  1)  Mountain Home AFB is where the USAF keeps lots of super secret stuff that goes boom and the guys just dropping in for a few days from Timbuktu couldn&#8217;t pass the security clearance for the McDonald&#8217;s secret sauce recipe much less our nuke secrets.  They are only in the States because LMT-BA promised their country they teach their guy how to transition from the Mig-17 into the F-16 with only 20% losses in the first year.   2) Boise has better bars than MHAFB.  3) Boise has better girls than MHAFB.  4) The Mayor sent them a personal invitation to fly over your house.  5) We could do this all day&#8230; but it comes down to MHAFB is not as appealing to a guy zooming around America in a personal fighter jet.  </p>
<p>Why Southern Idaho?  We have a really cool training range where countries from all over the world send their military forces to train.  Yes, integrated training from boots to trucks to tanks to artillery to AA to high tech aircraft and everything in between.</p>
<p>Gowen is a big part of all this foreign training stuff.  It&#8217;s so important, some think the Air Force would rather close MHAFB and expand in Boise.  Such talk is very arousing to the city leaders because it means pouring several cubic miles of new concrete at their airport.</p>
<p>So in short, the low flying FA-18E/F could very well be a thirsty, sleepy, horny foreign pilot with the King&#8217;s credit cards and a weekend pass.</p>
<p>There is another way to look at this.  Maybe the Mayor is right.  Boise is circling the drain jobs wise.  Did you know some of these large military training bases in the South, South East USA employ 100,000 people?  I&#8217;m thinking build an elevated cable tram from the General&#8217;s office at Gowen through the Downtown Bars-n-Girls district and then right the top of Bogus&#8230; and try again for the Luke contract.</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...and, did you notice all the chem trails yesterday? Surely, the New World Order is upon us! Man the barricades; lets go occupy something governmental &#038; show &#039;em we mean business....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and, did you notice all the chem trails yesterday? Surely, the New World Order is upon us! Man the barricades; lets go occupy something governmental &amp; show &#8217;em we mean business&#8230;.</p>
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		By: J Smith		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/04/08/sound-of-freedom-different-in-foothills/#comment-101264</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just as the shooting range is being moved, so should the Air Gaurd Station be moved to Mountain Home.
There is a rediculous proposal / non-solution being floated by the local political criminals to move the Air Gaurd base a few hundred yards to the South, which would be insanely expensive and do nothing to solve the noise problem. 

Boise is increasing feeling like a city under siege by military occupation. We are seeing more Blackhawk helicopters over the city, and now even military scout helicopters. Are they intentionally trying to intimidate us?? Just last week an F18 flew over Meridian and Boise at 100&#039; with full flaps and landing gear down at close to stall speed, which endangered everyone along its flight path. It scared a lot of people and animals, which was evident with a flurry of posts on Nextdoor.com. It feels like the Government is intentionally displaying a show of force to frighten us, and the sounds we are hearing have nothing to do with &quot;freedom&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as the shooting range is being moved, so should the Air Gaurd Station be moved to Mountain Home.<br />
There is a rediculous proposal / non-solution being floated by the local political criminals to move the Air Gaurd base a few hundred yards to the South, which would be insanely expensive and do nothing to solve the noise problem. </p>
<p>Boise is increasing feeling like a city under siege by military occupation. We are seeing more Blackhawk helicopters over the city, and now even military scout helicopters. Are they intentionally trying to intimidate us?? Just last week an F18 flew over Meridian and Boise at 100&#8242; with full flaps and landing gear down at close to stall speed, which endangered everyone along its flight path. It scared a lot of people and animals, which was evident with a flurry of posts on Nextdoor.com. It feels like the Government is intentionally displaying a show of force to frighten us, and the sounds we are hearing have nothing to do with &#8220;freedom&#8221;.</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 06:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW: The foothills firing range next to the Ft. Boise Reserve was still being used a few weeks ago.

When they get home from wherever they&#039;ve been deployed this time, someone should ask the air guard members who train at Gowen Field how they feel about moving the operation to Mtn Hm. 

While I may not agree with wars they go off to fight, I&#039;m willing to cut them some slack when they try to lead normal, civilian lives and yet stay prepared to go off to war.

EDITOR NOTE--Rabula, you are the epitome of my argument!.  You seek to displace the valiant first responders who use the foothills range to maintain their firearm skills to protect YOU and themselves against marauding thugs, and even terrorists.  Why not move the hikers and recreationists to the desert south of town?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: The foothills firing range next to the Ft. Boise Reserve was still being used a few weeks ago.</p>
<p>When they get home from wherever they&#8217;ve been deployed this time, someone should ask the air guard members who train at Gowen Field how they feel about moving the operation to Mtn Hm. </p>
<p>While I may not agree with wars they go off to fight, I&#8217;m willing to cut them some slack when they try to lead normal, civilian lives and yet stay prepared to go off to war.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Rabula, you are the epitome of my argument!.  You seek to displace the valiant first responders who use the foothills range to maintain their firearm skills to protect YOU and themselves against marauding thugs, and even terrorists.  Why not move the hikers and recreationists to the desert south of town?</p>
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		By: Steve Rinehart		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 02:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With respect, Mr. Editor, pre-dated uses is not the issue. Communities change, inevitably. They tend to grow. Homes surround a firing range; the town grows around the airport. Safety and noise become a real issue, for quality of life and property values and a bunch of other reasons. Do we refuse to adapt -- keep the range in the wrong place and keep the noisiest jets flying over the city -- because people failed to see the future or &quot;should have known better?&quot;

EDITOR NOTE--Steve, I agree totally with you.  My issue is the fact city fathers and mothers are willing to adapt in the foothills, but continue to promote noisy high-performance fighters being based at Gowen.  The jets belong at Mt. Home.  It is absurd to have two very similar units within 30 air miles of each other.  

I also spent a significant amount of personal time trying to show the city the error of their ways when they entered into the three-way transaction/trade to avoid public comment.  I was treated with total disdain by the council and mayor with the exception of one former councilor. They wasted our money, even attempted to de-annex the range when their own P&amp;Z board refused to approve the shooting expansion.  The land they traded to a group of doctors sits fallow and is owned by St. Luke&#039;s.  The entire matter was filthy.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect, Mr. Editor, pre-dated uses is not the issue. Communities change, inevitably. They tend to grow. Homes surround a firing range; the town grows around the airport. Safety and noise become a real issue, for quality of life and property values and a bunch of other reasons. Do we refuse to adapt &#8212; keep the range in the wrong place and keep the noisiest jets flying over the city &#8212; because people failed to see the future or &#8220;should have known better?&#8221;</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Steve, I agree totally with you.  My issue is the fact city fathers and mothers are willing to adapt in the foothills, but continue to promote noisy high-performance fighters being based at Gowen.  The jets belong at Mt. Home.  It is absurd to have two very similar units within 30 air miles of each other.  </p>
<p>I also spent a significant amount of personal time trying to show the city the error of their ways when they entered into the three-way transaction/trade to avoid public comment.  I was treated with total disdain by the council and mayor with the exception of one former councilor. They wasted our money, even attempted to de-annex the range when their own P&#038;Z board refused to approve the shooting expansion.  The land they traded to a group of doctors sits fallow and is owned by St. Luke&#8217;s.  The entire matter was filthy.</p>
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