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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101801</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2016 03:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If people want to play in traffic let them.  Seems like this is a self resolving problem...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people want to play in traffic let them.  Seems like this is a self resolving problem&#8230;</p>
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		By: john		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101796</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;build a wall&quot;      oh wait, thats another story.  In this case, build a bridge. Could it BE any simpler?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;build a wall&#8221;      oh wait, thats another story.  In this case, build a bridge. Could it BE any simpler?</p>
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		By: Jason		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101786</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem I have (and probably the city&#039;s as well) with the pedestrian fence is it&#039;s the explicitly &quot;auto-oriented&quot; solution. People are going where you don&#039;t want them to, at the expense of auto traffic? Build a barrier. Maybe we should be asking why there&#039;s a 6-lane highway dividing two relatively pedestrian friendly areas. The construction of additional apartments didn&#039;t create this problem, it simply made it more visible. 

Consider looking at it this way - the greenbelt underpass is actually quite far away, adding say ~5 minutes to your walk, similar to the University crossing (a ridiculous 4-stage crossing). You can argue that 5 minutes here and there doesn&#039;t matter since they&#039;re walking anyway, but the same argument (minutes of delay!) is used to spend millions on road construction &#038; widening, or to prevent stop bike lanes &#038; pedestrian crossings from going in (if I remember, one of the arguments against the protected bike lane demonstration in 2014 was the additional seconds of delay).

This is the reason why people jaywalk - because we build bad pedestrian infrastructure or have points of bad connectivity, and people logically take shortcuts. Most of the time, the shortcut works, and occasionally, tragically, it doesn&#039;t. All the education &#038; enforcement in the world isn&#039;t going to stop this, it never has (this applies to to auto traffic, as well). The Engineering needs to be better and more appropriately applied, especially in an already pedestrian heavy area. Perhaps an additional signal could be installed, at Sherwood, or Island, or both? The spacing there isn&#039;t too different from the downtown block spacing, and that works well enough for everyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have (and probably the city&#8217;s as well) with the pedestrian fence is it&#8217;s the explicitly &#8220;auto-oriented&#8221; solution. People are going where you don&#8217;t want them to, at the expense of auto traffic? Build a barrier. Maybe we should be asking why there&#8217;s a 6-lane highway dividing two relatively pedestrian friendly areas. The construction of additional apartments didn&#8217;t create this problem, it simply made it more visible. </p>
<p>Consider looking at it this way &#8211; the greenbelt underpass is actually quite far away, adding say ~5 minutes to your walk, similar to the University crossing (a ridiculous 4-stage crossing). You can argue that 5 minutes here and there doesn&#8217;t matter since they&#8217;re walking anyway, but the same argument (minutes of delay!) is used to spend millions on road construction &amp; widening, or to prevent stop bike lanes &amp; pedestrian crossings from going in (if I remember, one of the arguments against the protected bike lane demonstration in 2014 was the additional seconds of delay).</p>
<p>This is the reason why people jaywalk &#8211; because we build bad pedestrian infrastructure or have points of bad connectivity, and people logically take shortcuts. Most of the time, the shortcut works, and occasionally, tragically, it doesn&#8217;t. All the education &amp; enforcement in the world isn&#8217;t going to stop this, it never has (this applies to to auto traffic, as well). The Engineering needs to be better and more appropriately applied, especially in an already pedestrian heavy area. Perhaps an additional signal could be installed, at Sherwood, or Island, or both? The spacing there isn&#8217;t too different from the downtown block spacing, and that works well enough for everyone.</p>
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		By: Yossarian_22		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yossarian_22]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2016 22:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmn....it sounds like police stations are now more like garrisoned barracks. Maybe there&#039;s a credit card slot that we are supposed to use to get in. A dystopian pay to be heard world. Might wanna bring that up at a city council meeting, unless those are now pay to play, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmn&#8230;.it sounds like police stations are now more like garrisoned barracks. Maybe there&#8217;s a credit card slot that we are supposed to use to get in. A dystopian pay to be heard world. Might wanna bring that up at a city council meeting, unless those are now pay to play, too.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101775</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2016 22:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jay Walker, haha, not sure if you&#039;re serious or not. Eliminating cars downtown would indeed solve the walking problem because 90%+ of the people walking around downtown GOT THERE BY CAR.

Speckled Hen, ACHD did want to put medians on Fairview, the business owners cried foul. Boise business owners think Boiseans are too lazy to go up a ways and make a u-turn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Walker, haha, not sure if you&#8217;re serious or not. Eliminating cars downtown would indeed solve the walking problem because 90%+ of the people walking around downtown GOT THERE BY CAR.</p>
<p>Speckled Hen, ACHD did want to put medians on Fairview, the business owners cried foul. Boise business owners think Boiseans are too lazy to go up a ways and make a u-turn.</p>
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		By: Yossarian_22		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101772</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yossarian_22]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a BPD station at the old restaurant building at the old Capitol Inn (?). They patrol the Lusk apartment complex area. The traffic generated by those apartments is staggering. And half or more of them are still vacant! I performed parking enforcement for 3 of those apartment complexes last year. Speeding and jaywalking abound. I approve of the fences as well. If enough students fill all those apartments, they will need a pedestrian bridge, in my view.

EDITOR NOTE--We stopped by that &quot;station&quot; and coppers refused to talk.  We were directed to a phone at the front door with a button to push for dispatch which would supposedly send a car to discuss jaywalking.  That &quot;station&quot; is not really a station, but is funded by housing funds.  About 400 yards across the street at Boise Ave and University is yet another &quot;station&quot; but that one is funded by BSU for campus police.  Lots of cops, but little to no public access.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a BPD station at the old restaurant building at the old Capitol Inn (?). They patrol the Lusk apartment complex area. The traffic generated by those apartments is staggering. And half or more of them are still vacant! I performed parking enforcement for 3 of those apartment complexes last year. Speeding and jaywalking abound. I approve of the fences as well. If enough students fill all those apartments, they will need a pedestrian bridge, in my view.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;We stopped by that &#8220;station&#8221; and coppers refused to talk.  We were directed to a phone at the front door with a button to push for dispatch which would supposedly send a car to discuss jaywalking.  That &#8220;station&#8221; is not really a station, but is funded by housing funds.  About 400 yards across the street at Boise Ave and University is yet another &#8220;station&#8221; but that one is funded by BSU for campus police.  Lots of cops, but little to no public access.</p>
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		By: Jay Walker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Walker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eliminate cars from the entire downtown area. This would solve thousands of problems at once. Cars are the problem, walking and biking is the solution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliminate cars from the entire downtown area. This would solve thousands of problems at once. Cars are the problem, walking and biking is the solution.</p>
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		By: Stupid as they (achd) are, it is on us to drive safely.		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101769</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stupid as they (achd) are, it is on us to drive safely.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2016 03:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope that there is enforcement at these sites and that the jaywalkers and the children who are also jaywalking are dealt with.  I only hope someone is not killed and that I don&#039;t witness it and I am never involved.  Inconsistent types of roads and road policies in my opinion indicate a lack of leadership on the part of the neighborhoods, schools, and citizens, and a lack of leadership on the part of the the achd, city and parents.  Politically they cannot hear each other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that there is enforcement at these sites and that the jaywalkers and the children who are also jaywalking are dealt with.  I only hope someone is not killed and that I don&#8217;t witness it and I am never involved.  Inconsistent types of roads and road policies in my opinion indicate a lack of leadership on the part of the neighborhoods, schools, and citizens, and a lack of leadership on the part of the the achd, city and parents.  Politically they cannot hear each other.</p>
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		By: Speckled Hen		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/08/25/achd-commishes-dont-sit-on-the-fence/#comment-101768</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Speckled Hen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The irony is that there are much more deadly and dangerous roads like Fairview where the motoring equivalent of a fence (e.g. a median) is a non-starter in the eyes of ACHD and others who say they are all about safety. Why are they willing to shut down pedestrians moving freely while vehicles are allowed to move unabated across roads and driveways throughout the Valley?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that there are much more deadly and dangerous roads like Fairview where the motoring equivalent of a fence (e.g. a median) is a non-starter in the eyes of ACHD and others who say they are all about safety. Why are they willing to shut down pedestrians moving freely while vehicles are allowed to move unabated across roads and driveways throughout the Valley?</p>
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		By: Foothills Rider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foothills Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...same fencing just went up middle of dogbone round-about at Hill and 36th; not seen in original plans.  Kids still short-cutting to the center, walking around the fence, and getting to their destinations. Walkways and ped traffic poorly thought out at that project.  Only recently did ACHD learn they had forgotten to consider ped traffic northbound 36th.  They just installed a bridge and railings also not originally in the plan to cover the issue.  ACHD seems to design in a vacuum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;same fencing just went up middle of dogbone round-about at Hill and 36th; not seen in original plans.  Kids still short-cutting to the center, walking around the fence, and getting to their destinations. Walkways and ped traffic poorly thought out at that project.  Only recently did ACHD learn they had forgotten to consider ped traffic northbound 36th.  They just installed a bridge and railings also not originally in the plan to cover the issue.  ACHD seems to design in a vacuum.</p>
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