Comments on: Airport Open House Crowd Turns Hostile

By: Inna

Inna — Sat, 26 Nov 2016 21:50:59 +0000

A month ago the Statesman had an article on airport plans.
It seems there is no need to grow the airport, as the number of flights did not increase.
The airport director is actually asking the airlines to bring more flights to Boise.
The only reason they want to expand the airport is to apply for the federal grants for it.
The federal money will be feeding the Construction and Transportation industry, that is the main employer in the Ada County.
This is the same reason as for bringing F-35 to Boise. Federal money.
They will also need federal money to build 3rd runway, and for that they need F-35.
The logic is a bit twisted, but basically these “political leaders” do not have any idea how to grow local economy, besides brigning federal money to Idaho.

By: Simulation

Simulation — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 22:30:31 +0000

I propose an F15 / F35 noise simulator installation outside of Boise city hall where people can hear for themselves what Dave Bieter says “Boiseans support”.

By: john

john — Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:18:18 +0000

I live a 20 minute drive from the airport. The low and LOUD flybys I get occasionally are just as bad as when I lived only a few thousand feet from the flightline of a Navy base. My simple question is… why not simply have them use a the quietest least offensive approach ? They are clearly not doing that now so there is some progress that can be made with both sides winning.

By: They will still vote for him

They will still vote for him — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:43:16 +0000

The internet is like finding needle in a haystack. Over the years I’ve noticed people claiming military expertise on fighter jets often operated a mop and potato peeler during their time in service knowing very little accurate information.

Gowen/Boise had a long history of smoky noisy airplanes which ended in 1996 when F4G was deployed and never returned. It was the last or nearly the last F4 unit in the USA. Since then only visiting military after-burning types have caused annoyances for our paper thin three season homes. Also Horizon Air operated noisy F-28-1000 and 4000 jets until the early 2000s… And some idiot at the Boise airport allowed Horizon to do nighttime engine out training with these jets over Boise until they were replaced with CRJ-700 program. So, point is. Only visitors have been noisy at BOI since year 2000.

Additionally since 1996 the airport administration and FAA has slowly and begrudgingly started to address noise concerns by designating arrival and departure pathways. These SIDs and STARs could still be improved a great deal more but the population remains too stupid to even know what the phone number is to the airport and mayor’s office, thus city leaders can honestly say “very few people complain”.

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Wikipedia typically has some useful information, and, better yet in the credit section are links to source information. Over the years, reading here in The Guardian has been humorous to see the lack of knowledge about the regions military history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gowen_Field_Air_National_Guard_Base

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Home_Air_Force_Base

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HGM-25A_Titan_I

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/id0480/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_Airport

http://dfa.cityofboise.org/financial-management/budget-and-financial-reports/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_United_States

By: erico49

erico49 — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 15:39:22 +0000

Mesa Man.. no, if you don’t like what the Guardian posts, please stay. What it the sense of only reading what you agree with?

By: Mesa Man

Mesa Man — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 04:05:11 +0000

Dave,
I stand corrected. What was the noisy fighters that flew out of here in the 70’s?

EDITOR NOTE–During that period we had RF-4 recon birds.

By: Mesa Man

Mesa Man — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 00:05:20 +0000

Wolf,

We have had to much coverage of the tragic event.

If you do not like what the Guardian posts, go away.

By: Mesa Man

Mesa Man — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 00:02:26 +0000

Idaho Tater, I guess you did not live here when the F111’s were based here. It you were, then you would know how inaccurate you statement is. I was born here a long time ago, and the National Guard, Air Force, Navy, , and whomever, have had loud aircraft since before I was born.
Then my next question would be, do you live near the airport? If so why? Unless you bought before 1948, you have no skin in the game. I have now live over five miles to the north east, and I put up with aircraft noise daily.

EDITOR NOTE–F-111 fighter bombers have never been based in Boise. They were at Mountain Home.

By: The Wolf

The Wolf — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 22:44:54 +0000

Dave;

I understand that you were out of town and all, but seriously?
Nothing on the two BPD officers shot, the K9 killed, the one man crime spree?
Just your usual pet peeve stories like CWI’s bond and airport noise.
And you wonder why you’re not treated as an actual news source.

EDITOR NOTE–Nothing for us to add that wasn’t already covered. Coppers did everything according to the book and we can all be grateful it didn’t turn out worse. FYI, we have had private communications with the coppers about the tragic events.

By: Idaho Tater

Idaho Tater — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:04:36 +0000

One could argue that purchasing near the airport or in the flight path constitutes “coming to the nuisance” in legal parlance. However, that only applies to complaining about the conditions as they were when you chose to move there. Since 1996, there have been A-10’s at Gowen. So, from 1996 to the present, those who have moved into the most affected noise pollution areas have known what they were getting into. However, the F-15 and F-35 are a whole different animal when it comes to noise. I have read the noise study. There are maps that show the noise pollution caused by the F-15 and F-35. The maps are amazing. The A-10 is a relatively quiet aircraft. The fighter jets are screamers and window rattlers. The 90db “noise envelope” of the F-35 or even the F-15 would cover all of Columbia Village, most of the bench, and significant part of SW Boise, Ada County and south Meridian. The A-10 envelope is tiny in comparison. So don’t blame homeowners for being pissed when they want to replace A-10’s with F-15’s or F-35’s. It’s like moving next to a small pig farm and having the pig farm replaced by the government with a 30 square mile area filled with pulp mills and garbage dumps and slaughterhouses, and then somebody telling you it’s your fault for moving there. I agree that we need a mission at Gowen, but not a fighter jet mission. That needs to go to Mountain Home.