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	Comments on: F-35 Challenge:  Let Us See And Hear It!	</title>
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		By: Arnie Borreson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/12/07/f-35-challenge-let-us-see-and-hear-it/#comment-102965</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arnie Borreson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mountain home Airforce base should be the first on the list as the possible location for the F35 wing.
The existing airforce base already is in an area that will have minimum impact to the civilian population and property. The airspace available does not require flying over denser populated areas. The noise impacts are minimum due also to the lower population density. The area south of Mountain home is one of the largest unpopulated areas in the entire united states. The impact to Boise will be minimal since it will just be shifted to another Idaho city which will still have economic impact to the city of Boise. There is just no valid reason that this wing should not be located at Mountain Home AFB and many reasons it should not be located at the Boise airport. Let keep military activity away from civilian activities. The only case in post for Boise would be an economic one based strictly upon greed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mountain home Airforce base should be the first on the list as the possible location for the F35 wing.<br />
The existing airforce base already is in an area that will have minimum impact to the civilian population and property. The airspace available does not require flying over denser populated areas. The noise impacts are minimum due also to the lower population density. The area south of Mountain home is one of the largest unpopulated areas in the entire united states. The impact to Boise will be minimal since it will just be shifted to another Idaho city which will still have economic impact to the city of Boise. There is just no valid reason that this wing should not be located at Mountain Home AFB and many reasons it should not be located at the Boise airport. Let keep military activity away from civilian activities. The only case in post for Boise would be an economic one based strictly upon greed.</p>
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		By: Truthiness		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/12/07/f-35-challenge-let-us-see-and-hear-it/#comment-102182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truthiness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2016 21:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David DeHaas - The unaccounted for effects of ones actions on others is called &quot;externalities&quot;. If externalities were accounted for, we would still be living on an unspoiled planet in small clans, working only 4 hours per day to live. Screwing others over for some personal benefit is what &quot;progress&quot; is all about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David DeHaas &#8211; The unaccounted for effects of ones actions on others is called &#8220;externalities&#8221;. If externalities were accounted for, we would still be living on an unspoiled planet in small clans, working only 4 hours per day to live. Screwing others over for some personal benefit is what &#8220;progress&#8221; is all about.</p>
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		By: Betty		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/12/07/f-35-challenge-let-us-see-and-hear-it/#comment-102175</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for speaking up David and kudos to everyone else on this thread for your thoughtful comments. A demonstration is an excellent idea and so is pushing this project to Mtn. Home. They would love it. As someone who lives &quot;on the other side of the tracks&quot; I can tell you we already hear the airport every morning, starting at about 5 am. And the jets at Gowen, we hear those too. The silence when flights were grounded after 9-11 only underscored how much noise and white noise the airport emits on a regular basis. I have to ask. How organized is the opposition. Where is the Vista neighborhood association? Have you considered partnering with the Mtn. Home chamber and pushing the relocation issue? If you really aren&#039;t being heard, have you considered taking hiz honor to task via letters in the Statesman, or better yet, drag his sorry butt into court?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for speaking up David and kudos to everyone else on this thread for your thoughtful comments. A demonstration is an excellent idea and so is pushing this project to Mtn. Home. They would love it. As someone who lives &#8220;on the other side of the tracks&#8221; I can tell you we already hear the airport every morning, starting at about 5 am. And the jets at Gowen, we hear those too. The silence when flights were grounded after 9-11 only underscored how much noise and white noise the airport emits on a regular basis. I have to ask. How organized is the opposition. Where is the Vista neighborhood association? Have you considered partnering with the Mtn. Home chamber and pushing the relocation issue? If you really aren&#8217;t being heard, have you considered taking hiz honor to task via letters in the Statesman, or better yet, drag his sorry butt into court?</p>
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		By: David DeHaas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David DeHaas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mtn Home is the best place of the F 35&#039;s. Our Business is on curtis.  Imagine for a moment getting a massage and then you hear this loud noise and feel the buildings shake.Yes, here on Curtis those planes disrupt our business. Will the City/Guard et al pay us to move for infringing on our right to have a normal business environment?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mtn Home is the best place of the F 35&#8217;s. Our Business is on curtis.  Imagine for a moment getting a massage and then you hear this loud noise and feel the buildings shake.Yes, here on Curtis those planes disrupt our business. Will the City/Guard et al pay us to move for infringing on our right to have a normal business environment?</p>
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		By: Yossarian_22		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/12/07/f-35-challenge-let-us-see-and-hear-it/#comment-102167</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yossarian_22]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I fully support the Guardian&#039;s request to demonstrate the noise impact of the F-35. Any demonstration should include standard downwind-base-final landing approach protocols for BOTH runways (10 Left and 10 Right &#038; 28 Left and 28 Right = compass designations of both runways). We need to hear this thing OVER homes on the northern landing approaches. The southern approach will be less noisy, but let&#039;s hear it anyway. We also need to hear it during a &quot;unlimited takeoff&quot; where occasionally, pilots are allowed to indulge themselves in a steep angle takeoff with high throttle position that we sometimes hear. I have witnessed F-15s and F-16s ascend in near vertical attitudes, with massive noise emissions that thunder over the entire Bench and southern regions. And, we should especially demand that it fly at about 500-1000 feet over the Northend so they can hear it, too. 

It&#039;s only fair.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully support the Guardian&#8217;s request to demonstrate the noise impact of the F-35. Any demonstration should include standard downwind-base-final landing approach protocols for BOTH runways (10 Left and 10 Right &amp; 28 Left and 28 Right = compass designations of both runways). We need to hear this thing OVER homes on the northern landing approaches. The southern approach will be less noisy, but let&#8217;s hear it anyway. We also need to hear it during a &#8220;unlimited takeoff&#8221; where occasionally, pilots are allowed to indulge themselves in a steep angle takeoff with high throttle position that we sometimes hear. I have witnessed F-15s and F-16s ascend in near vertical attitudes, with massive noise emissions that thunder over the entire Bench and southern regions. And, we should especially demand that it fly at about 500-1000 feet over the Northend so they can hear it, too. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only fair.</p>
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		By: katie		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/12/07/f-35-challenge-let-us-see-and-hear-it/#comment-102160</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 03:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Idaho Tater: What is the location and time of the meeting you refer to on Dec. 14th?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idaho Tater: What is the location and time of the meeting you refer to on Dec. 14th?</p>
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		By: Larry		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/12/07/f-35-challenge-let-us-see-and-hear-it/#comment-102159</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2016 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to say it.

Boo Fracken Hoo.

Nasty comments this time around. Truthfullness, you are on a roll.  Bad government, bad bad government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say it.</p>
<p>Boo Fracken Hoo.</p>
<p>Nasty comments this time around. Truthfullness, you are on a roll.  Bad government, bad bad government.</p>
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		By: Idaho Tater		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2016/12/07/f-35-challenge-let-us-see-and-hear-it/#comment-102158</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Idaho Tater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2016 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I attended the recent meeting and witnessed the obvious frustration of Rebecca Hupp when questioned about the noise study. It seems clear that the airport has no interest in addressing the findings regarding the potential noise impact of the F-35. It is interesting that they now want to have two separate meetings - one on December 14 and the other on January 27 - to discuss increased air traffic at one and noise levels at the second one. Seems like the two are one in the same to me.  And now that there is a very distinct possibility that the F-35 will come to Boise, the airport can&#039;t continue to deny knowledge of the Air Force&#039;s plan. I will be at the December 14 meeting and I do intend on bringing up the noise issue whether they like it or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended the recent meeting and witnessed the obvious frustration of Rebecca Hupp when questioned about the noise study. It seems clear that the airport has no interest in addressing the findings regarding the potential noise impact of the F-35. It is interesting that they now want to have two separate meetings &#8211; one on December 14 and the other on January 27 &#8211; to discuss increased air traffic at one and noise levels at the second one. Seems like the two are one in the same to me.  And now that there is a very distinct possibility that the F-35 will come to Boise, the airport can&#8217;t continue to deny knowledge of the Air Force&#8217;s plan. I will be at the December 14 meeting and I do intend on bringing up the noise issue whether they like it or not.</p>
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		By: CT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2016 22:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve sat through a couple presentations by the city on this and they blatantly lied.

I moved into the area expecting passenger jets and A10s.  No problem.  The rare F15/F16 causes pain and suffering but it didn&#039;t happen often.  Now the F35 is coming into a large city despite having double the noise pollution of an F15 and flying FAR more frequently.  Yet Mountain Home - a couple minutes flight away and designed for fighter jets - is ignored.

This is beyond stupid.

I&#039;m very much a patriot.  I served.  But this doesn&#039;t protect us.  It doesn&#039;t help anyone except for politicians and the rich - who won&#039;t live in the affected area.  This is worse than Flint Michigan - at least they can solve their issue with a water filter.  Where&#039;s our sound filter?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sat through a couple presentations by the city on this and they blatantly lied.</p>
<p>I moved into the area expecting passenger jets and A10s.  No problem.  The rare F15/F16 causes pain and suffering but it didn&#8217;t happen often.  Now the F35 is coming into a large city despite having double the noise pollution of an F15 and flying FAR more frequently.  Yet Mountain Home &#8211; a couple minutes flight away and designed for fighter jets &#8211; is ignored.</p>
<p>This is beyond stupid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very much a patriot.  I served.  But this doesn&#8217;t protect us.  It doesn&#8217;t help anyone except for politicians and the rich &#8211; who won&#8217;t live in the affected area.  This is worse than Flint Michigan &#8211; at least they can solve their issue with a water filter.  Where&#8217;s our sound filter?</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2016 22:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oooor, 
Someone could take recording equipment to nearby Hill AFB and record their current jets taking off, flying around and landing.  

A little bit of social media and you get what you are asking for.   

Much easier and MUCH more likely to happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooor,<br />
Someone could take recording equipment to nearby Hill AFB and record their current jets taking off, flying around and landing.  </p>
<p>A little bit of social media and you get what you are asking for.   </p>
<p>Much easier and MUCH more likely to happen.</p>
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