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		By: Stephanie Rael		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/02/23/schools-suffer-taxpayers-forced-to-subsidize-developers/#comment-102578</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Rael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for covering this important story.

Regarding the Dry Creek Ranch planned community: the issues you point out (along with multiple others) were among the concerns raised by many individuals, organizations and businesses who opposed this “amendment.” Unfortunately, despite the high volume of opposition from the community, the Board of County Commissioners offered next to no discussion when they announced their approval on 2/21/17. In fact, the entire meeting lasted less than 10 minutes. It is hard to believe that the Board of County Commissioners took their community’s concerns seriously.

Even if Boise Hunter Homes were to pursue the original plan approved in 2010 and proposed by a different developer (Land Baron Investments), there are some who feel the original plan was better than the “amendment.”  Under the original plan, the developer would have been responsible for 3-4 schools, as well as massive infrastructure development this large-scale planned community would have required. As you correctly point out, under the new plan the citizens of Ada County will be responsible for shouldering these expenses, rather than the developers. I don’t think this should sit right with any of us. 

I am still confused as to why Boise Hunter Homes can use another developer’s 7-year-old approval for an entirely different plan. Could it be because if Boise Hunter Homes were to apply as a new plan today, it would be denied? The Planning and Zoning Commission confirmed this at the public hearing on 12/15/16.

In their comment, Ada County gives the impression that Board of County Commissioners’ hands were tied and they were unable to do anything other than approve this amendment, since the original plan was already approved in 2010. If this was actually the case, a public hearing would have been superfluous. The Board of County Commissioners could have denied the “amendment,” plain and simple. They chose not to do so. It would have required leadership, foresight, and courage to deny this “amendment” and to serve the interests of their community, rather than the interests of the developers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for covering this important story.</p>
<p>Regarding the Dry Creek Ranch planned community: the issues you point out (along with multiple others) were among the concerns raised by many individuals, organizations and businesses who opposed this “amendment.” Unfortunately, despite the high volume of opposition from the community, the Board of County Commissioners offered next to no discussion when they announced their approval on 2/21/17. In fact, the entire meeting lasted less than 10 minutes. It is hard to believe that the Board of County Commissioners took their community’s concerns seriously.</p>
<p>Even if Boise Hunter Homes were to pursue the original plan approved in 2010 and proposed by a different developer (Land Baron Investments), there are some who feel the original plan was better than the “amendment.”  Under the original plan, the developer would have been responsible for 3-4 schools, as well as massive infrastructure development this large-scale planned community would have required. As you correctly point out, under the new plan the citizens of Ada County will be responsible for shouldering these expenses, rather than the developers. I don’t think this should sit right with any of us. </p>
<p>I am still confused as to why Boise Hunter Homes can use another developer’s 7-year-old approval for an entirely different plan. Could it be because if Boise Hunter Homes were to apply as a new plan today, it would be denied? The Planning and Zoning Commission confirmed this at the public hearing on 12/15/16.</p>
<p>In their comment, Ada County gives the impression that Board of County Commissioners’ hands were tied and they were unable to do anything other than approve this amendment, since the original plan was already approved in 2010. If this was actually the case, a public hearing would have been superfluous. The Board of County Commissioners could have denied the “amendment,” plain and simple. They chose not to do so. It would have required leadership, foresight, and courage to deny this “amendment” and to serve the interests of their community, rather than the interests of the developers.</p>
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		By: Cowpoke twice removed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cowpoke twice removed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2017 17:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure how new construction impact fees would be an effective way to assess developers. The developers would simply pass the cost along to the new home buyer and that home buyer might be someone like me who&#039;s spent every one of my 46 years living in Ada County.  So I pay the fee and the couple from CA who buy my old house don&#039;t?  What am I missing?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how new construction impact fees would be an effective way to assess developers. The developers would simply pass the cost along to the new home buyer and that home buyer might be someone like me who&#8217;s spent every one of my 46 years living in Ada County.  So I pay the fee and the couple from CA who buy my old house don&#8217;t?  What am I missing?</p>
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		By: Rod in SE Boise		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod in SE Boise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 23:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, at least in Ada County they ALLOW single family homes.  The Mayor and City Council of Boise are trying to force us all into high density condos or apartments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least in Ada County they ALLOW single family homes.  The Mayor and City Council of Boise are trying to force us all into high density condos or apartments.</p>
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		By: Inna		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/02/23/schools-suffer-taxpayers-forced-to-subsidize-developers/#comment-102574</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Considering that Idaho is rated about the same as Mississippi (last of everything), it is pretty much the Nigeria of the N. America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that Idaho is rated about the same as Mississippi (last of everything), it is pretty much the Nigeria of the N. America.</p>
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		By: idaholc		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/02/23/schools-suffer-taxpayers-forced-to-subsidize-developers/#comment-102573</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[idaholc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 18:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A comprehensive study by Al Fothergill and the Idaho Citizens Coalition in the 1970&#039;s showed conclusively that residential developments had a negative impact on public services and were a drain on local taxes for up to 20 years after build out.

During the early 1990&#039;s earnest efforts to provide impact fees on residential development for school districts were defeated in the legislature primarily by the boomers in the community including the Association of Building Contractors and IACI.  

These same folks are now major supporters of shifting more of the educational burden onto homeowners through increased bond indebtedness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comprehensive study by Al Fothergill and the Idaho Citizens Coalition in the 1970&#8217;s showed conclusively that residential developments had a negative impact on public services and were a drain on local taxes for up to 20 years after build out.</p>
<p>During the early 1990&#8217;s earnest efforts to provide impact fees on residential development for school districts were defeated in the legislature primarily by the boomers in the community including the Association of Building Contractors and IACI.  </p>
<p>These same folks are now major supporters of shifting more of the educational burden onto homeowners through increased bond indebtedness.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/02/23/schools-suffer-taxpayers-forced-to-subsidize-developers/#comment-102572</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Editor, 
Sure, those are all included in the overall effect. 
URD- True, whether URDs are good or not is a separate topic.  But the diversion of the taxes is simply a shell game. It is elitism, that I disagree with, but the taxation effect is simply spread thoughout the community.   URD money goes into the tiny district agency to make improvements- that money is spent on contractors, suppliers, vendors etc. Those people pay sales taxes (some comes back to the schools). Those employees pay income taxes (comes back to the schools). That nice development ATTRACTS people and property owners to buy homes outside the URD as well (increases assessed values and increases ALL tax revenues). And so on. 
Example - you and your wife can each have a $30,000 car or you can drive a $1,000 junker and she drives a $59,000 luxury car.  You&#039;re still spending $60,000 on your cars. But when you drive your wife&#039;s fancy Caddy to the family reunion, you get a positive impression from your cousins (visitors to a city)- that is much different than if you drive an average $30,000 car. And likely you will (should) pay the same amount of taxes/registration on the two cars in either scenario. 
 
$5.9 million to attract business- If the state spends 5.9 and generates 29 million, that&#039;s  a good use of the dollars, right?  Spending 5.9 and getting nothing, is certainly not good, but that&#039;s the trick of economic development. 

Increased enrollment by NEW workers?  That&#039;s wonderful!  Those new workers, are paying INCOME tax to the state, sales tax to the state, fuels taxes, and everything else.  

Economic concepts like the Velocity of Money and Money Multipliers are more important here than a bias toward the evil media.  Oops, I meant developers. 

We can grow, decline or be stagnant. Growth takes some investment. Sure, we might have a financial hit at first, but overall everything works out and it&#039;s wonderful.  :-) 

This is very much like the current immigration situation- it is all in one&#039;s perspective. 
This message is like Trump&#039;s media &quot;war&quot; going on.   
If someone is dissatisfied with &#039;something&#039;, it is convenient to point a discouraging finger toward a group of people- media, immigrants, DEVELOPERS, and the list goes on.  

People in the West dont&#039; appreciation people from the East (Easterners). Even though their families all came from the East-- at some point.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editor,<br />
Sure, those are all included in the overall effect.<br />
URD- True, whether URDs are good or not is a separate topic.  But the diversion of the taxes is simply a shell game. It is elitism, that I disagree with, but the taxation effect is simply spread thoughout the community.   URD money goes into the tiny district agency to make improvements- that money is spent on contractors, suppliers, vendors etc. Those people pay sales taxes (some comes back to the schools). Those employees pay income taxes (comes back to the schools). That nice development ATTRACTS people and property owners to buy homes outside the URD as well (increases assessed values and increases ALL tax revenues). And so on.<br />
Example &#8211; you and your wife can each have a $30,000 car or you can drive a $1,000 junker and she drives a $59,000 luxury car.  You&#8217;re still spending $60,000 on your cars. But when you drive your wife&#8217;s fancy Caddy to the family reunion, you get a positive impression from your cousins (visitors to a city)- that is much different than if you drive an average $30,000 car. And likely you will (should) pay the same amount of taxes/registration on the two cars in either scenario. </p>
<p>$5.9 million to attract business- If the state spends 5.9 and generates 29 million, that&#8217;s  a good use of the dollars, right?  Spending 5.9 and getting nothing, is certainly not good, but that&#8217;s the trick of economic development. </p>
<p>Increased enrollment by NEW workers?  That&#8217;s wonderful!  Those new workers, are paying INCOME tax to the state, sales tax to the state, fuels taxes, and everything else.  </p>
<p>Economic concepts like the Velocity of Money and Money Multipliers are more important here than a bias toward the evil media.  Oops, I meant developers. </p>
<p>We can grow, decline or be stagnant. Growth takes some investment. Sure, we might have a financial hit at first, but overall everything works out and it&#8217;s wonderful.  🙂 </p>
<p>This is very much like the current immigration situation- it is all in one&#8217;s perspective.<br />
This message is like Trump&#8217;s media &#8220;war&#8221; going on.<br />
If someone is dissatisfied with &#8216;something&#8217;, it is convenient to point a discouraging finger toward a group of people- media, immigrants, DEVELOPERS, and the list goes on.  </p>
<p>People in the West dont&#8217; appreciation people from the East (Easterners). Even though their families all came from the East&#8211; at some point.  🙂</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Nampa when the farm and residential ground in the area of Costco was declared part of the new Urban Renewal District the Valley View School District realized that they would potentially have to build additional schools because of the new development. The School District negotiated an agreement with the Urban Renewal District in which each year the UR District gives back at least a portion of the taxes which Valley View would have received if the area was not designated UR. Last year the payment was in the $425,000 range.
Nampa School District on the other end of town I do not believe get anything. School Districts and other taxing entity&#039;s need to rise up and demand payment in lieu of taxes they are not receiving for services rendered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Nampa when the farm and residential ground in the area of Costco was declared part of the new Urban Renewal District the Valley View School District realized that they would potentially have to build additional schools because of the new development. The School District negotiated an agreement with the Urban Renewal District in which each year the UR District gives back at least a portion of the taxes which Valley View would have received if the area was not designated UR. Last year the payment was in the $425,000 range.<br />
Nampa School District on the other end of town I do not believe get anything. School Districts and other taxing entity&#8217;s need to rise up and demand payment in lieu of taxes they are not receiving for services rendered.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 02:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, no, no.  
This is losing the focus. 
Developers are not the enemy. 
The media is the enemy! 
It is all their fault! Developers bring us pretty houses. 


Why would a development tax (impact fee) be okay, but a property tax increase is not?  
Can we talk about the law of supply and demand, market equilibrium, and diffusion?   Everyone pays in any route.

For anyone to believe impact fees (tax on development) do not affect the surrounding housing market in higher prices and therefor higher assessments is nonsense.  
A new development does not sit in a closed bubble with a WALL around it. The economic impact of the growth is connected throughout the whole community - good and bad. 

Same as sales tax. 
Same as minimum wage increase. 
Same as costs of regulation.. 
We all pay indirectly IF govt sticks an individual producer with a higher tax (impact fee). 
It is naive to predict an impact fee affects only the developer.

EDITOR NOTE--Easterner, you fail to consider the diversion of ALL taxes on new structures within an Urban Renewal District.  You fail to address the $5.9 million in state taxes used to attract the business.  You fail to address the increased enrollment caused by the new workers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, no.<br />
This is losing the focus.<br />
Developers are not the enemy.<br />
The media is the enemy!<br />
It is all their fault! Developers bring us pretty houses. </p>
<p>Why would a development tax (impact fee) be okay, but a property tax increase is not?<br />
Can we talk about the law of supply and demand, market equilibrium, and diffusion?   Everyone pays in any route.</p>
<p>For anyone to believe impact fees (tax on development) do not affect the surrounding housing market in higher prices and therefor higher assessments is nonsense.<br />
A new development does not sit in a closed bubble with a WALL around it. The economic impact of the growth is connected throughout the whole community &#8211; good and bad. </p>
<p>Same as sales tax.<br />
Same as minimum wage increase.<br />
Same as costs of regulation..<br />
We all pay indirectly IF govt sticks an individual producer with a higher tax (impact fee).<br />
It is naive to predict an impact fee affects only the developer.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Easterner, you fail to consider the diversion of ALL taxes on new structures within an Urban Renewal District.  You fail to address the $5.9 million in state taxes used to attract the business.  You fail to address the increased enrollment caused by the new workers.</p>
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		By: jj		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/02/23/schools-suffer-taxpayers-forced-to-subsidize-developers/#comment-102566</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 00:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sorry my property taxes have increased 70% in 5 years, and my income has in no way increased near that amount, I am taxed out.  I am paying for the tax exempt growth of CCDC, St. Lukes, City land acquisitions, Churches and every other business pretending to be a non-profit, not to mention the property tax breaks the City gives their developer friends who also donate to politicians campaign coffers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry my property taxes have increased 70% in 5 years, and my income has in no way increased near that amount, I am taxed out.  I am paying for the tax exempt growth of CCDC, St. Lukes, City land acquisitions, Churches and every other business pretending to be a non-profit, not to mention the property tax breaks the City gives their developer friends who also donate to politicians campaign coffers.</p>
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		By: Reality 101		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reality 101]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brutal capitalism for the citizens, socialism for the rich and well connected.]]></description>
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