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		By: Ed U Kate		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/03/02/school-bond-opposition-explained/#comment-102661</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2017 06:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well Cowpoke, I have to say I never thought about looking at schools as a cash cow but I sure will now.  I’ll have to start looking for the seats for rent sign on the schools.  For years I thought schools were for education but I guess they’re supposed to be revenue generators.  Who would have thought.

So let’s look at those empty seat numbers.  Last school year there were roughly 3,300 empty seats total district wide.  That’s a lot of empty seats.  The equivalent of 7 elementary schools being vacant if the schools were 100% filled.  But that wouldn’t be good, so let’s go with about 2,800 seats with school capacity filled at about 88% and we can get that equivalent vacant elementary number down to about 6.

Last school year the District filled, and got revenue for, about 1,100 seats - about 4% of total enrollment.  That must have been a ton of cash coming into the District but it also leaves about 1,700 seats not producing revenue.  Not good.  Maybe the District can hire a marketing person to hawk all those empty seats.

If the District had been able to fill all 3,300 empty seats it would translate to about 13% of enrollment coming from outside the District.  Using the 2,800 seat number it would be about 11%.  Either way that’s a lot of kids from outside the District.  Why do we need a $ 236 million bond with all those empty seats?

I say boot out the out of districts kids and close, consolidate and reboundary!  Think how much money the District could save by doing that.  It would reduce costs substantially.  And we could still do open enrollment to fill the few remaining seats to keep those cash cow dollars coming in.

Let’s do it for the kids - and the taxpayers!!  That would be a plan I’d be more likely to consider supporting.

But we know closing and consolidating is off the table.  The Daily has reported several times that closing and consolidating would upset parents so the District won’t close and consolidate.  We certainly can’t have upset parents - even if it would mean a more efficient school district for both taxpayers and kids overall.

Boise Schools just flat refuses to admit its glory days are over.  Like it or not, it is slowly becoming an urban (in a big city  sense) school district with declining enrollment.  Even the recent DeJong Richter report indicates flat to declining enrollment under their recommended enrollment projection scenario. Admitting all those kids from outside the District just hides the real, declining, enrollment numbers. Perfuming the pig so to speak. 

And no, Cowpoke, I did not allege what you are claiming I did.  Never even came close to saying that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Cowpoke, I have to say I never thought about looking at schools as a cash cow but I sure will now.  I’ll have to start looking for the seats for rent sign on the schools.  For years I thought schools were for education but I guess they’re supposed to be revenue generators.  Who would have thought.</p>
<p>So let’s look at those empty seat numbers.  Last school year there were roughly 3,300 empty seats total district wide.  That’s a lot of empty seats.  The equivalent of 7 elementary schools being vacant if the schools were 100% filled.  But that wouldn’t be good, so let’s go with about 2,800 seats with school capacity filled at about 88% and we can get that equivalent vacant elementary number down to about 6.</p>
<p>Last school year the District filled, and got revenue for, about 1,100 seats &#8211; about 4% of total enrollment.  That must have been a ton of cash coming into the District but it also leaves about 1,700 seats not producing revenue.  Not good.  Maybe the District can hire a marketing person to hawk all those empty seats.</p>
<p>If the District had been able to fill all 3,300 empty seats it would translate to about 13% of enrollment coming from outside the District.  Using the 2,800 seat number it would be about 11%.  Either way that’s a lot of kids from outside the District.  Why do we need a $ 236 million bond with all those empty seats?</p>
<p>I say boot out the out of districts kids and close, consolidate and reboundary!  Think how much money the District could save by doing that.  It would reduce costs substantially.  And we could still do open enrollment to fill the few remaining seats to keep those cash cow dollars coming in.</p>
<p>Let’s do it for the kids &#8211; and the taxpayers!!  That would be a plan I’d be more likely to consider supporting.</p>
<p>But we know closing and consolidating is off the table.  The Daily has reported several times that closing and consolidating would upset parents so the District won’t close and consolidate.  We certainly can’t have upset parents &#8211; even if it would mean a more efficient school district for both taxpayers and kids overall.</p>
<p>Boise Schools just flat refuses to admit its glory days are over.  Like it or not, it is slowly becoming an urban (in a big city  sense) school district with declining enrollment.  Even the recent DeJong Richter report indicates flat to declining enrollment under their recommended enrollment projection scenario. Admitting all those kids from outside the District just hides the real, declining, enrollment numbers. Perfuming the pig so to speak. </p>
<p>And no, Cowpoke, I did not allege what you are claiming I did.  Never even came close to saying that.</p>
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		By: Wrong Priorities		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 07:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said Y.  However, I never attempt to discuss simple common knowledge topics with a teacher.  I&#039;ve concluded many are too nuts to reason with.  Teachers are the largest (or one of the largest) groups of employees in the USA.  They are one of the few groups aside from the voting public with the power to force change.  Yet they work for peanuts while passionately hounding people to vote for overpriced buildings and overpriced multilayered administrations of a cataclysmically broken system which they shovel coal into daily.  As a whole, the teacher group is obsessed with wildly useless social engineering agendas designed to make 97.5% of kids feel shame and guilt for being normal.  Not even teaching civics in some districts any longer to make way for their nutty ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Y.  However, I never attempt to discuss simple common knowledge topics with a teacher.  I&#8217;ve concluded many are too nuts to reason with.  Teachers are the largest (or one of the largest) groups of employees in the USA.  They are one of the few groups aside from the voting public with the power to force change.  Yet they work for peanuts while passionately hounding people to vote for overpriced buildings and overpriced multilayered administrations of a cataclysmically broken system which they shovel coal into daily.  As a whole, the teacher group is obsessed with wildly useless social engineering agendas designed to make 97.5% of kids feel shame and guilt for being normal.  Not even teaching civics in some districts any longer to make way for their nutty ideas.</p>
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		By: Yossarian_22		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/03/02/school-bond-opposition-explained/#comment-102639</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 00:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Recently, a local teacher made the rounds to drop pro-bond literature and rang the doorbell to boost the bond. I politely told her that I would be abstaining because I don&#039;t think our kids are receiving an effective education. Why should I subsidize kids that are not being taught how to think critically about thinks as simple as where money really comes from. They are taught to be corporate robots that consume and get into debt. They pay taxes in service to a crony collusion of government and banks. They get &quot;drafted&quot; via poverty and fight senseless and never ending wars. Why should I subsidize that? No one questions stupidity, they ratify it and call it &quot;democracy&quot; or &quot;progress.&quot; I&#039;m glad I don&#039;t have any kids to serve as fodder in this insane meat grinder of narcissistic dancing for status and declining incomes. I feel sorry for today&#039;s kids. They are going to have it tough enough without being lied to in school from administrations that teach test regurgitation via Kommen Korp programs. I hope I got my point across.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, a local teacher made the rounds to drop pro-bond literature and rang the doorbell to boost the bond. I politely told her that I would be abstaining because I don&#8217;t think our kids are receiving an effective education. Why should I subsidize kids that are not being taught how to think critically about thinks as simple as where money really comes from. They are taught to be corporate robots that consume and get into debt. They pay taxes in service to a crony collusion of government and banks. They get &#8220;drafted&#8221; via poverty and fight senseless and never ending wars. Why should I subsidize that? No one questions stupidity, they ratify it and call it &#8220;democracy&#8221; or &#8220;progress.&#8221; I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t have any kids to serve as fodder in this insane meat grinder of narcissistic dancing for status and declining incomes. I feel sorry for today&#8217;s kids. They are going to have it tough enough without being lied to in school from administrations that teach test regurgitation via Kommen Korp programs. I hope I got my point across.</p>
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		By: idaholc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are asking us to do what the Legislature won&#039;t.  

In 2006 &quot;Gov&quot; Risch led a successful effort to raise the sale tax one cent to shift school support from property tax to sales and income tax.

Shortly thereafter, the economy tanked and state funding of education followed.  It has never recovered.

Since then, 89 supplemental levies have been borne by property tax payers, primarily homeowners, while:

-Legislature fails to allow impact fees on development for schools.
-Exempts more businesses from paying property taxes
-Diminishes income from reduced personal property taxes on business.
-refuses to increase homeowners exemption.

Schools may need more money, but effort should be directed at changing funding formula for schools.

And &quot;no tax increase&quot; talk is dishonest.  It is like me paying off the last payment on my car and the bank says, no you have to make payments for another 20 years.

Like sheep we sleep walk to the polls and do what responsible citizens do and the Legislature won&#039;t!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are asking us to do what the Legislature won&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>In 2006 &#8220;Gov&#8221; Risch led a successful effort to raise the sale tax one cent to shift school support from property tax to sales and income tax.</p>
<p>Shortly thereafter, the economy tanked and state funding of education followed.  It has never recovered.</p>
<p>Since then, 89 supplemental levies have been borne by property tax payers, primarily homeowners, while:</p>
<p>-Legislature fails to allow impact fees on development for schools.<br />
-Exempts more businesses from paying property taxes<br />
-Diminishes income from reduced personal property taxes on business.<br />
-refuses to increase homeowners exemption.</p>
<p>Schools may need more money, but effort should be directed at changing funding formula for schools.</p>
<p>And &#8220;no tax increase&#8221; talk is dishonest.  It is like me paying off the last payment on my car and the bank says, no you have to make payments for another 20 years.</p>
<p>Like sheep we sleep walk to the polls and do what responsible citizens do and the Legislature won&#8217;t!</p>
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		By: Cowpoke Twice Removed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 00:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cute Kate, very cute. I don&#039;t really need to since you didn&#039;t provide a rebuttal, just a homework assignment.  Suffice it to say that district cost per student is meaningless when you&#039;re discussing adding a student to a classroom with room for them. District cost per student includes the expense of all district staff and facilities which doesn&#039;t change when filling an empty slot in a class. In a case such as this the additional cost of an individual student is minimal compared to the state money that comes with that student. Now, if you have to add a class or build new schools you&#039;re losing money but that&#039;s not what the BSD is doing despite your allegations.

Too bad you didn&#039;t use your response to JJ as your opinion piece. It provides a far more reasoned argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cute Kate, very cute. I don&#8217;t really need to since you didn&#8217;t provide a rebuttal, just a homework assignment.  Suffice it to say that district cost per student is meaningless when you&#8217;re discussing adding a student to a classroom with room for them. District cost per student includes the expense of all district staff and facilities which doesn&#8217;t change when filling an empty slot in a class. In a case such as this the additional cost of an individual student is minimal compared to the state money that comes with that student. Now, if you have to add a class or build new schools you&#8217;re losing money but that&#8217;s not what the BSD is doing despite your allegations.</p>
<p>Too bad you didn&#8217;t use your response to JJ as your opinion piece. It provides a far more reasoned argument.</p>
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		By: Ed U Kate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2017 05:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ,

Here’s some answers to your questions – and then some.

The current total Boise Schools levy rate is .004929113 per $ 100,000 of taxable value.  You can verify that by looking at your property tax bill.

Included in that rate is .0007 for bonds and .000195677 for the 2012 temporary operating levy.  

Per the recently published BSD legal notice, the total cost of the bond is $ 236 million.  That would seem to indicate about $63 million in interest costs over the 20 year bond.

The District has clearly stated supporting this bond will not “raise the current tax rate”.  But what about future tax rates? And why is the current tax rate not going down in the future since both the 1996 bond levy rate is expiring (or has expired) and the 2012 temporary operating levy is expiring?

Since both levy rates are expiring it would seem the overall the levy rate should be dropping.  But it’s not.  Why?  Well, as Trustee Beth Oppenheimer said at a recent public forum, both those rates are being “extended” (her words).  “Extended” also has appeared on social media sites such as Nextdoor.  

During the 2012 operating levy campaign the District said the levy would be “temporary” and expire at its end - July 1, 2017.  Apparently that’s no longer true.  It’s being hijacked by the District into a semi-permanent capital levy from a temporary operating levy.  So much for District honesty (one of its core values) when it comes to “temporary” levies.

If the 2017 bond should fail, there will be a tax decrease.  I say this because after a 2006 bond public forum a high level District official publicly let slip that if that bond failed (which it didn’t) the result would be tax decrease.  Which means another effort to sell a bond would be a tax increase and tax increases are always a hard sell.

The tax levy rate should be dropping.  It’s not.  To me, that is a tax increase.  The District is being dishonest with us.

And for the record, I am not opposed to school bonds per se but in this case I think the District has failed to thoroughly do its homework in spite of their claims, and numerous committees, to the contrary.  A ten year Plant Facility Levy (like West Ada District is proposing) would be a start.  A ten year levy for a ten year plan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ,</p>
<p>Here’s some answers to your questions – and then some.</p>
<p>The current total Boise Schools levy rate is .004929113 per $ 100,000 of taxable value.  You can verify that by looking at your property tax bill.</p>
<p>Included in that rate is .0007 for bonds and .000195677 for the 2012 temporary operating levy.  </p>
<p>Per the recently published BSD legal notice, the total cost of the bond is $ 236 million.  That would seem to indicate about $63 million in interest costs over the 20 year bond.</p>
<p>The District has clearly stated supporting this bond will not “raise the current tax rate”.  But what about future tax rates? And why is the current tax rate not going down in the future since both the 1996 bond levy rate is expiring (or has expired) and the 2012 temporary operating levy is expiring?</p>
<p>Since both levy rates are expiring it would seem the overall the levy rate should be dropping.  But it’s not.  Why?  Well, as Trustee Beth Oppenheimer said at a recent public forum, both those rates are being “extended” (her words).  “Extended” also has appeared on social media sites such as Nextdoor.  </p>
<p>During the 2012 operating levy campaign the District said the levy would be “temporary” and expire at its end &#8211; July 1, 2017.  Apparently that’s no longer true.  It’s being hijacked by the District into a semi-permanent capital levy from a temporary operating levy.  So much for District honesty (one of its core values) when it comes to “temporary” levies.</p>
<p>If the 2017 bond should fail, there will be a tax decrease.  I say this because after a 2006 bond public forum a high level District official publicly let slip that if that bond failed (which it didn’t) the result would be tax decrease.  Which means another effort to sell a bond would be a tax increase and tax increases are always a hard sell.</p>
<p>The tax levy rate should be dropping.  It’s not.  To me, that is a tax increase.  The District is being dishonest with us.</p>
<p>And for the record, I am not opposed to school bonds per se but in this case I think the District has failed to thoroughly do its homework in spite of their claims, and numerous committees, to the contrary.  A ten year Plant Facility Levy (like West Ada District is proposing) would be a start.  A ten year levy for a ten year plan.</p>
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		By: Ed U Kate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2017 01:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Cowpoke,

I’m impressed with your subject mastery of open enrollment.  Open enrollment certainly can be a tool in the toolbox when used responsibly.  Since you seem to have some expertise in open enrollment matters how about sharing with us some more information about it?

Like District cost per student, state reimbursement per student, and where the difference between cost and state reimbursement comes from.  Maybe District funds?  You know, just some basics.  With your mastery of the subject I sure giving us that information won’t take much of your time.  Looking forward to your response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cowpoke,</p>
<p>I’m impressed with your subject mastery of open enrollment.  Open enrollment certainly can be a tool in the toolbox when used responsibly.  Since you seem to have some expertise in open enrollment matters how about sharing with us some more information about it?</p>
<p>Like District cost per student, state reimbursement per student, and where the difference between cost and state reimbursement comes from.  Maybe District funds?  You know, just some basics.  With your mastery of the subject I sure giving us that information won’t take much of your time.  Looking forward to your response.</p>
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		By: Doggone		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2017 23:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the SD can tell us what the clock tower at Timberline cost the taxpayer. That should assuage any doubts about its ability to spend wisely, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the SD can tell us what the clock tower at Timberline cost the taxpayer. That should assuage any doubts about its ability to spend wisely, right?</p>
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		By: Wrong Priorities		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2017 07:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate Michael Moore but agree with his broken watch twice daily.  We do in fact spend more than nearly every country per student and produce mid-ranked students.  So please spare me all this bullcrap about investing in our future.  We are producing too many expensive lemons.  The great river of forced taxation keeps it afloat... approved by voters who think it&#039;s all about spending.  Radical and unclear change is needed in teaching strategies, but in a hot minute we could stop focusing on building grand palaces.   Secondhand warehouses seem to perform just as well for budget conscious universities.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-education.asp

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/on-the-world-stage-us-students-fall-behind/2016/12/05/610e1e10-b740-11e6-a677-b608fbb3aaf6_story.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate Michael Moore but agree with his broken watch twice daily.  We do in fact spend more than nearly every country per student and produce mid-ranked students.  So please spare me all this bullcrap about investing in our future.  We are producing too many expensive lemons.  The great river of forced taxation keeps it afloat&#8230; approved by voters who think it&#8217;s all about spending.  Radical and unclear change is needed in teaching strategies, but in a hot minute we could stop focusing on building grand palaces.   Secondhand warehouses seem to perform just as well for budget conscious universities.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-education.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-education.asp</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/on-the-world-stage-us-students-fall-behind/2016/12/05/610e1e10-b740-11e6-a677-b608fbb3aaf6_story.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/on-the-world-stage-us-students-fall-behind/2016/12/05/610e1e10-b740-11e6-a677-b608fbb3aaf6_story.html</a></p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2017 02:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SALLY: Have alien doppelgangers taken over for the leaders of the school district too?!?!

You should probably avoid getting your news from the magazines in the grocery store checkout line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SALLY: Have alien doppelgangers taken over for the leaders of the school district too?!?!</p>
<p>You should probably avoid getting your news from the magazines in the grocery store checkout line.</p>
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