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	Comments on: Sen./Councilor Jordan Blocks Bieter, Favors Otter On F-35 Cash	</title>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/04/23/sen-councilor-jordan-blocks-bieter-favors-otter-on-f-35-cash/#comment-102936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 20:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see Nampa Mayor Bob Henry has come out in favor of the F-35 landing in Boise. Since he is slated to be Compass head honcho next year you have to wonder if he isn&#039;t just sucking up to Bieter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Nampa Mayor Bob Henry has come out in favor of the F-35 landing in Boise. Since he is slated to be Compass head honcho next year you have to wonder if he isn&#8217;t just sucking up to Bieter.</p>
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		By: System Failure		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/04/23/sen-councilor-jordan-blocks-bieter-favors-otter-on-f-35-cash/#comment-102935</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[System Failure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rabula- We have an airport out in the desert. We call it Mountain Home AFB. It also already has a buffered area to reduce noise pollution effects on the population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabula- We have an airport out in the desert. We call it Mountain Home AFB. It also already has a buffered area to reduce noise pollution effects on the population.</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/04/23/sen-councilor-jordan-blocks-bieter-favors-otter-on-f-35-cash/#comment-102930</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2017 03:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good for Maryanne!

Bad non-vote in the senate, where an objection probably would have been interesting but futile. Good move on council if it sticks. 

The the cost of bringing an F-35 mission to Boise should be a new airport out in the desert.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for Maryanne!</p>
<p>Bad non-vote in the senate, where an objection probably would have been interesting but futile. Good move on council if it sticks. </p>
<p>The the cost of bringing an F-35 mission to Boise should be a new airport out in the desert.</p>
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		By: westernguy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/04/23/sen-councilor-jordan-blocks-bieter-favors-otter-on-f-35-cash/#comment-102929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[westernguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 23:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who airport director Hupp &#039;works for&#039;:  technically she works for the Boise Airport Commission, but... the Mayor (probably with Council approval) appoints the airport commissioners.  From airport website:

Charged with overseeing the Boise Air Terminal and providing for the orderly and efficient administration and operation of that facility.

Meeting: First Thursday of the month at 8:30 a.m. in the Salmon River Room, unless otherwise noted.

Total Members: 7 Members (one nominated by Idaho National Guard; one member residing in the Area of Impact and one member may reside outside the Area of Impact of Boise in an area affected by operation of a regional Airport)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who airport director Hupp &#8216;works for&#8217;:  technically she works for the Boise Airport Commission, but&#8230; the Mayor (probably with Council approval) appoints the airport commissioners.  From airport website:</p>
<p>Charged with overseeing the Boise Air Terminal and providing for the orderly and efficient administration and operation of that facility.</p>
<p>Meeting: First Thursday of the month at 8:30 a.m. in the Salmon River Room, unless otherwise noted.</p>
<p>Total Members: 7 Members (one nominated by Idaho National Guard; one member residing in the Area of Impact and one member may reside outside the Area of Impact of Boise in an area affected by operation of a regional Airport)</p>
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		By: katie fite		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/04/23/sen-councilor-jordan-blocks-bieter-favors-otter-on-f-35-cash/#comment-102928</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katie fite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could this be because she was concerned about the &quot;Appearance&quot; of the City spending $100,000 on this One Man Shop lobby firm - and was savvy enough to understand that it would ultimately undermine the City&#039;s quest for bringing home the bacon on ear-splitting noise - in the court of public opinion? Or are there cracks starting to show in the Council over the F-35s?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could this be because she was concerned about the &#8220;Appearance&#8221; of the City spending $100,000 on this One Man Shop lobby firm &#8211; and was savvy enough to understand that it would ultimately undermine the City&#8217;s quest for bringing home the bacon on ear-splitting noise &#8211; in the court of public opinion? Or are there cracks starting to show in the Council over the F-35s?</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/04/23/sen-councilor-jordan-blocks-bieter-favors-otter-on-f-35-cash/#comment-102926</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Humm... I wonder if Idaho City airport is large enough for the F-35 missions.  We would take them in a heart beat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm&#8230; I wonder if Idaho City airport is large enough for the F-35 missions.  We would take them in a heart beat.</p>
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		By: Inna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s thank Marianne Jordan, whatever her motivations may have been.
It is becoming obvious that Airport Director Hupp is driving the process of bringing F-35 to Boise, while telling the public that she has no control over it.

EDITOR OTE--We agree on the Kudos to Councilor Jordan.  In defense of Director Hupp, she is working for &quot;the folks downtown.&quot;  It takes more than one to make &quot;we.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s thank Marianne Jordan, whatever her motivations may have been.<br />
It is becoming obvious that Airport Director Hupp is driving the process of bringing F-35 to Boise, while telling the public that she has no control over it.</p>
<p>EDITOR OTE&#8211;We agree on the Kudos to Councilor Jordan.  In defense of Director Hupp, she is working for &#8220;the folks downtown.&#8221;  It takes more than one to make &#8220;we.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Heinrich Wiebe		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/04/23/sen-councilor-jordan-blocks-bieter-favors-otter-on-f-35-cash/#comment-102924</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heinrich Wiebe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 City Boise Council passes resolution supporting the F-35 in Idaho. The vote was unanimous in favor of bringing the Air Force mission to the state. At that time, up to 72 of these planes would be based at Gowen. 

The economy was dark and gloomy. Property values were falling, bankruptcies were soaring. Attracting military money seemed like one of the few opportunities to pursue regardless of the cost to those who&#039;d be negatively affected. The City of Boise is willing to take as many of these jets as they can get. It doesn&#039;t matter how loud it would be. 

2015: BOI Airport spends $350,000 for a noise study, but doesn&#039;t include the F-35 in the final model despite the behind the scene efforts to attract the jets, nor do they include the public in the process (other than you could comment after the fact for FAA review). 

TODAY: BOI Airport seems to be working with a DC PR firm to attract attention to Boise as viable location for F-35 mission. It&#039;s not clear who&#039;s paying for it? ZING! 

So how loud are they? Can we get a sample???

Mayor says: &quot;The City of Boise has no say over what aircraft can or cannot fly in and out of Gowen Field, and this includes the possibility of having an F-35 visit Gowen so residents can hear the noise it makes.&quot; ... &quot;It is important to keep in mind that the decision about any long-term flying mission for Gowen Field will be made by the U.S. Air Force and their decision making process will include a significant amount of public input opportunities. We are many months, if not years, away from any final decisions being made, which will include the official impacts that such a mission would have on surrounding neighborhoods.&quot;

So we are told to WAIT, b/c YOU will have your say but we&#039;ll tell you about the official impacts later after we&#039;ve been selected. 

Sound reasonable? 

If you ask the AIR FORCE, they&#039;ll say it&#039;s a local issue. 

Circular enough to be called a three ring circus for sure. 

Thanks Boise City for working to making us SO LIVABLE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 City Boise Council passes resolution supporting the F-35 in Idaho. The vote was unanimous in favor of bringing the Air Force mission to the state. At that time, up to 72 of these planes would be based at Gowen. </p>
<p>The economy was dark and gloomy. Property values were falling, bankruptcies were soaring. Attracting military money seemed like one of the few opportunities to pursue regardless of the cost to those who&#8217;d be negatively affected. The City of Boise is willing to take as many of these jets as they can get. It doesn&#8217;t matter how loud it would be. </p>
<p>2015: BOI Airport spends $350,000 for a noise study, but doesn&#8217;t include the F-35 in the final model despite the behind the scene efforts to attract the jets, nor do they include the public in the process (other than you could comment after the fact for FAA review). </p>
<p>TODAY: BOI Airport seems to be working with a DC PR firm to attract attention to Boise as viable location for F-35 mission. It&#8217;s not clear who&#8217;s paying for it? ZING! </p>
<p>So how loud are they? Can we get a sample???</p>
<p>Mayor says: &#8220;The City of Boise has no say over what aircraft can or cannot fly in and out of Gowen Field, and this includes the possibility of having an F-35 visit Gowen so residents can hear the noise it makes.&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;It is important to keep in mind that the decision about any long-term flying mission for Gowen Field will be made by the U.S. Air Force and their decision making process will include a significant amount of public input opportunities. We are many months, if not years, away from any final decisions being made, which will include the official impacts that such a mission would have on surrounding neighborhoods.&#8221;</p>
<p>So we are told to WAIT, b/c YOU will have your say but we&#8217;ll tell you about the official impacts later after we&#8217;ve been selected. </p>
<p>Sound reasonable? </p>
<p>If you ask the AIR FORCE, they&#8217;ll say it&#8217;s a local issue. </p>
<p>Circular enough to be called a three ring circus for sure. </p>
<p>Thanks Boise City for working to making us SO LIVABLE.</p>
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		By: Chuck Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boise Idaho as with all other cities has the best government lobbyists can buy. 
Most citizens don&#039;t realize that these cartels of lobbyists are also the largest recipients of taxpayer dollars. the cartel feeds off approval of development &#038; construction contracts.projects be they good or bad for the community.

The F-35 lobbyist cartel stands to make many millions off the destruction F-35 noise will have on thousands of homes, schools &#038; businesses that will be rendered as uninhabitable by EPA nose standards. 
If victims elect to stay in the valley they will need to relocate &#038; build in another location.

Inappropriate developments that would be equally damaging to neighborhoods in our community have been halted legally without spending one cent in legal fees.   
Our wins been accomplished by convincing our opponents that we had the community support &#038; legal standing in-hand to bankrupt them if they elected to proceed &#038; trash our community.... 

Several years of mock F-35 hearing have gone by without any support to unite our valley&#039;s neighborhood associations behind a strategy that has the lawful clout to control the predators in our swamp. Sad.
Chuck Thomas
Board member, South Cole Neighborhood Assn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boise Idaho as with all other cities has the best government lobbyists can buy.<br />
Most citizens don&#8217;t realize that these cartels of lobbyists are also the largest recipients of taxpayer dollars. the cartel feeds off approval of development &amp; construction contracts.projects be they good or bad for the community.</p>
<p>The F-35 lobbyist cartel stands to make many millions off the destruction F-35 noise will have on thousands of homes, schools &amp; businesses that will be rendered as uninhabitable by EPA nose standards.<br />
If victims elect to stay in the valley they will need to relocate &amp; build in another location.</p>
<p>Inappropriate developments that would be equally damaging to neighborhoods in our community have been halted legally without spending one cent in legal fees.<br />
Our wins been accomplished by convincing our opponents that we had the community support &amp; legal standing in-hand to bankrupt them if they elected to proceed &amp; trash our community&#8230;. </p>
<p>Several years of mock F-35 hearing have gone by without any support to unite our valley&#8217;s neighborhood associations behind a strategy that has the lawful clout to control the predators in our swamp. Sad.<br />
Chuck Thomas<br />
Board member, South Cole Neighborhood Assn.</p>
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		By: Bieter Begone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bieter Begone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well I&#039;m glad she had concerns over spending the City money, which is interesting because the city usually spends money like it&#039;s free, which I guess it is to them.  I just wish there had been some transparency on the record at the time.  Everyone marching in lockstep is not helpful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m glad she had concerns over spending the City money, which is interesting because the city usually spends money like it&#8217;s free, which I guess it is to them.  I just wish there had been some transparency on the record at the time.  Everyone marching in lockstep is not helpful.</p>
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