Comments on: More Than 1,500 Sign Petition Opposing F-35

By: Tom Lorentz

Tom Lorentz — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 13:49:39 +0000

Below is the Air Force contact regarding the Boise F-35 mission. This address was in an Idaho Stateman editorial earlier this week. I wrote and hope you do as well but do not procrastinate as they are deciding this month.

Dr. Heather Wilson
U. S. Air Force
1670 Air Force Pentagon
Washington, DC 20330-1670

By: Tom Lorentz

Tom Lorentz — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 13:32:29 +0000

Please read the F-35 editorial in the Sunday Aug 6 ID statesman by Rocky Rotharmel. After attending an air show in Idaho Falls with F-35’s he confirms our worst fears regarding the noise.

By: Trevor Hitchin

Trevor Hitchin — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:54:08 +0000

p.s. the F-35 are flying over Idaho Falls tomorrow…and although I would like to see them…Blue Angels too…..not sure I can get there…as broke as Idaho has left me….sinners.

what I can tell you is that the F-35s will make you want to sell your home should Dave get his way….he hates YOU the Citizen…too big for his britches.

-Hitch

By: Trevor Hitchin

Trevor Hitchin — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:51:25 +0000

It is in the water Boise….you all have been dupted by Bieter & Co….who as of this morning…have garnered the World’s attention for being the @@@hole of modern civilization….(and 3-7 billion others now know) when cops beat women / international guests…ON CHRISTMAS no less….and are reported for rape…and Dave looks the other way…and his judge brother forgets to show to Court…well….Boise….your LDS days and ways have caught up with you…..overtaxed and underserved…..a bad combo when dealing with my kind. BE KIND. STAND UP TO THIS BOISE FRAUD CIRCUS MESS>…….Boise….you have more power than you think….tell Butch where he can go…Today NOT Tomorrow…..you are running out of time. Circle your own wagons…..millions more of us…than them. Fraud hurts everyone….even you Boise Guardian….grow teeth….bite harder. Thank you. Trev

By: Yes, but

Yes, but — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 20:44:53 +0000

Eastie, I think your diaper is full, because you smell. What bugs you is the cat is out of the bag. The plan to ignore, minimize, and intimidate opposition didn’t work. Now he mayor and friends are worried about the next election. The Guard will get the airplane and be despised by the host city residents because the opposition will be proven correct. They won’t be able to pretend this was never discussed in advance.

Counter to your counter points about why the bases are isolated:

Secret: The F-35 is less secret than a new Ford because of hacking and likely intentional transfer of info to China and Russia via the numerous cooks in the kitchen. It’s also very important to the defense industry to keep the competition up to date so they can overcharge the country for the next big ‘secret’ breakthrough. So F-35 based close to population not an issue anymore.

Nukes: USAF or anyone else do not and will not carry nukes in and out of Boise/Gowen. Not since the Genie and Davy Crockett were they so careless with nukes. Nukes involved in a crash or ground fire present a huge dirty bomb problem, so they don’t want one of those happening at Overland and Cole. Read about the 1980 Grand Forks fire and a few other similar mishaps. USAF won’t plan nukes on F-35, Navy not likely either. NATO probably will plan to use B-61 bomb on F-35 to deliver the weapons we ‘loan’ them.

Noise. Yes this is about Noise.

Air pollution is a concern.

The local fuel shortage they will cause is also an unmentioned problem.

Most of all this dispute is about our governments and military telling lies. Too many to list. Lies for profit. Lies because they don’t care.

By: rabula

rabula — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 20:10:32 +0000

Originally supportive of the F-35 mission, mainly in support of our Air National Guards, I’ve changed my mind:
The F-35 is six times as loud as the A-10, and four times as the F-16. The noise maps presented are based on 24-hour averages and do not portray intensity or duration. At 1,000 feet, the F-35 noise level is 121 decibels, which will do permanent ear damage if sustained for a few seconds a day. Those who want THAT “sound of freedom” will only be able to hear it for so long before they go deaf.

By: Easterner

Easterner — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:52:59 +0000

Dear Yes, But,
For one, ALL of the USAF bases are “post WWII” the USAF did not exist prior to September 18th, 1947.
Of course, we could go through the list of air bases to further highlight your post. “several miles”

And btw the F-35 has “secret” technology and is designed with nuclear weapon capability…

So what are you talking about other than more meaningless opposition chatter?

By: Yes, but

Yes, but — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:40:59 +0000

Hey, does anybody know why the USAF built nearly all of it’s post WWII airbases several miles from town?

1) Privacy/secrecy/control
2) In case they bust open a nuke in an accident
3) Noise

#3 is still of concern these days with a non-secret, non-nuke weapon. Why are they ignoring this concern at Gowen? Because they can. Because we let them.

By: Easterner

Easterner — Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:15:29 +0000

Bikeboy, I like your line of thought on the comparison however, your comparison is also specious. Good word: superficially plausible, but actually wrong.
Here’s why I think so- zoning.

If I bought a house on Eagle Rd, I have a reasonable expectation as the area grows so will the road. It is seldom an overnight drastic change. More commercial development, more traffic, bigger road. A reasonable person can “see the writing on the road” over 15+ years.
A change from F-4s to F15s, to F35s or C-130s for firefighting, or regular visits from Air Force One’s 747… a reasonable person expects different aircraft at the airport.

In any case, current zoning laws give us a reasonable expectation of what is going to happen with a neighborhood by saying, within this area you can expect X, Y & Z.

If I buy a place in a rural area where there are cows, there is zoning that allows a particular number of livestock. Maybe 3 cows will go to 30 or 90. A reasonable person can expect more or different livestock in that pasture. This is much different than the loser who moves next to an existing dairy and then 6 months later complains about the smell during the summer.
But, if the 3 cows change into 3 early morning roosters… bang! You do have a right to fried chicken.

As to “let us see and hear”… Newsflash: The jets are LOUD! Really loud!
We don’t really need a demonstration of it- regardless of the merits of the suggestions.
They ARE going to disturb the neighborhood when they fly.
EXACTLY like the A-10s when they buzz BSU for a game opener, or downtown for a parade. Or when a Cessna plane cruises low over the city.
LOUD- like Harley motorcycles going by, loud like those damn 2-cycle bicycles, loud like police sirens, loud like firetrucks, loud like FIREWORKS, the list of loud noises put upon the city is long.

BOTTOM LINE: The issue is not about the noise.
It is about economics.

Those 1,500 people are really saying:
“My home value is going to go down”
” I can’t afford to live anywhere else in a comparable house”
” I can’t afford to move”
“The city is not going to pay me what I think my house is worth”

Imagine if the Guard was going to pay all affected people 4 times what their house value is assessed. Most of them would be parading in the streets with ‘Welcome F-35 signs’.
4? 5? 10 times? If they were going to make a windfall, no one would oppose the change. Everything has a price. 🙂

Look at the above photo of the meeting. A pretty homogeneous group.
Detail the demographics of those 1,500 and we will see the real issue- economics. Everything else is just window dressing.

By: Gene Rapp

Gene Rapp — Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:24:47 +0000

That leaves several thousand that live in the area that are not concerned about the aircraft. I wonder what the split is between Republicans and the Democrats/Socialists. Now that would be interesting.