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	Comments on: Massive Anti Ball Park Reaction At Open House	</title>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/10/05/massive-anti-ball-park-reaction-at-open-house/#comment-103667</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spread the word:

The Whitewater Park and Esther Simplot Park are two separate but adjacent parks. The combined general fund outlays for those 2 have been considerably more than the proposed general fund outlay for the stadium of $3 million.


Frank: 

I believe St Luke&#039;s is renting the old Kmart, the 1500 Shoreline office. The owner has to recoup prop. taxes so bumps the rent accordingly. If St Luke&#039;s can get out of there and into their own building then theoretically they can save money in the long run.

To those comparing it to the Idaho Center, ha, I&#039;ll remind you the Idaho Center is in Nampa not downtown Boise. 

Property taxes are high downtown because land values are high. One could argue this is due to the success of the last 30 years of urban renewal districts not in spite of them.

EDITOR NOTE--When St. Luke&#039;s uses their MK Plaza property it will no longer pay property taxes.  When the State of Idaho takes over Hewlett Packard that property will be tax exempt (state owned).  Bottom line is citizens will make up tax difference on two very high revenue parcels.  Add the Americana-Shoreline area to the mix and most everything will be off the rolls.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spread the word:</p>
<p>The Whitewater Park and Esther Simplot Park are two separate but adjacent parks. The combined general fund outlays for those 2 have been considerably more than the proposed general fund outlay for the stadium of $3 million.</p>
<p>Frank: </p>
<p>I believe St Luke&#8217;s is renting the old Kmart, the 1500 Shoreline office. The owner has to recoup prop. taxes so bumps the rent accordingly. If St Luke&#8217;s can get out of there and into their own building then theoretically they can save money in the long run.</p>
<p>To those comparing it to the Idaho Center, ha, I&#8217;ll remind you the Idaho Center is in Nampa not downtown Boise. </p>
<p>Property taxes are high downtown because land values are high. One could argue this is due to the success of the last 30 years of urban renewal districts not in spite of them.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;When St. Luke&#8217;s uses their MK Plaza property it will no longer pay property taxes.  When the State of Idaho takes over Hewlett Packard that property will be tax exempt (state owned).  Bottom line is citizens will make up tax difference on two very high revenue parcels.  Add the Americana-Shoreline area to the mix and most everything will be off the rolls.</p>
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		By: Flyhead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flyhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 04:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note to Chicago Sam... I had momentarily forgotten about the Idaho Center and the Stampede basketball fiasco. We have MORONS calling the shots. Caldwell is building a downtown plaza and between the plaza project and TVCC traffic patterns are a mess and parking is at a premium even with all the construction going on. Property taxes in downtown in the BID zone are through the roof when you add all the different taxes up.  BID, Urban Renewal, Base property taxes, school overrides. I fully expect property owners to riot in the streets of Caldwell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Chicago Sam&#8230; I had momentarily forgotten about the Idaho Center and the Stampede basketball fiasco. We have MORONS calling the shots. Caldwell is building a downtown plaza and between the plaza project and TVCC traffic patterns are a mess and parking is at a premium even with all the construction going on. Property taxes in downtown in the BID zone are through the roof when you add all the different taxes up.  BID, Urban Renewal, Base property taxes, school overrides. I fully expect property owners to riot in the streets of Caldwell.</p>
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		By: westernguy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/10/05/massive-anti-ball-park-reaction-at-open-house/#comment-103660</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[westernguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How many more damn buildings does St. Lukes need in Boise?  27/Fairview, too?

The blob that ate Boise!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many more damn buildings does St. Lukes need in Boise?  27/Fairview, too?</p>
<p>The blob that ate Boise!</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am under the impression that St Lukes purchased the old MK Building across from Whole Foods. Moving their administration into one facility. St Lukes owns the facility on Shoreline that would be in the development area. I&#039;m pretty sure that St Lukes does not pay Property tax. So if 1500 Shoreline is St Lukes  building I don&#039;t believe it participates in paying property tax.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am under the impression that St Lukes purchased the old MK Building across from Whole Foods. Moving their administration into one facility. St Lukes owns the facility on Shoreline that would be in the development area. I&#8217;m pretty sure that St Lukes does not pay Property tax. So if 1500 Shoreline is St Lukes  building I don&#8217;t believe it participates in paying property tax.</p>
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		By: Spread the word		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spread the word]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 19:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is not a problem getting cars in and out of the fairgrounds.!  And $$ 170,000 will have to come out of someone&#039;s pocket.  It will be homeowners.  The greenbelt has a much smaller, quieter footprint than a stadium, and serves a larger good - transportation.  Whitewater was a gift - except what the taxpayers had to pay and will continue to pay.  The e coli makes the park pretty scary.  There are many big problems with this ballpark idea, and using tax dollars is a pretty obvious one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not a problem getting cars in and out of the fairgrounds.!  And $$ 170,000 will have to come out of someone&#8217;s pocket.  It will be homeowners.  The greenbelt has a much smaller, quieter footprint than a stadium, and serves a larger good &#8211; transportation.  Whitewater was a gift &#8211; except what the taxpayers had to pay and will continue to pay.  The e coli makes the park pretty scary.  There are many big problems with this ballpark idea, and using tax dollars is a pretty obvious one.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 15:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Fortin:

Regrading the CVS site, the houses on Jefferson are offices not homes and are not in a historic district. The CVS proposal is certainly ugly but it&#039;s zoned properly. It&#039;s no uglier than that Dutch Bros with its weedy curb strip and absurd angled footprint. Seriously, Dutch Bros can&#039;t plant a single bush or tree in the curb strip?

And yes, there&#039;s a Rite Aid a block away but some people&#039;s insurance will cover only if they purchase from CVS. 

And I&#039;d rather have a functioning business as opposed to that &quot;historic&quot; Sturiale Place that took over 2 years to remodel and serves no practical purpose for anyone. That lot could have been housing for the poor but nooooooo, somebody had to save a cute little old house.

Back on topic: The biggest problem with the stadium  deal is getting cars in and out of there. Another problem is 1500 Shoreline is contributing $170,000/year in taxes, what will the stadium and its associated offices contribute? 

However, look at the bigger picture. Part of this whole deal is to get St Luke&#039;s to build at 27th and Fairview. 

Don&#039;t throw the baby out with bath water. 

The naysayers all complained about the greenbelt back in the day. Ditto that with the whitewater park and they&#039;ve become huge economic catalysts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Fortin:</p>
<p>Regrading the CVS site, the houses on Jefferson are offices not homes and are not in a historic district. The CVS proposal is certainly ugly but it&#8217;s zoned properly. It&#8217;s no uglier than that Dutch Bros with its weedy curb strip and absurd angled footprint. Seriously, Dutch Bros can&#8217;t plant a single bush or tree in the curb strip?</p>
<p>And yes, there&#8217;s a Rite Aid a block away but some people&#8217;s insurance will cover only if they purchase from CVS. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d rather have a functioning business as opposed to that &#8220;historic&#8221; Sturiale Place that took over 2 years to remodel and serves no practical purpose for anyone. That lot could have been housing for the poor but nooooooo, somebody had to save a cute little old house.</p>
<p>Back on topic: The biggest problem with the stadium  deal is getting cars in and out of there. Another problem is 1500 Shoreline is contributing $170,000/year in taxes, what will the stadium and its associated offices contribute? </p>
<p>However, look at the bigger picture. Part of this whole deal is to get St Luke&#8217;s to build at 27th and Fairview. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t throw the baby out with bath water. </p>
<p>The naysayers all complained about the greenbelt back in the day. Ditto that with the whitewater park and they&#8217;ve become huge economic catalysts.</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2017 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spread the Word--Hadn&#039;t thought about soccer as I am not a fan. I am still whining about the loss of the Stampede Basketball team to Boise which eventually folded, and the BSU -Vandal games which were sold out--guess they were too successful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spread the Word&#8211;Hadn&#8217;t thought about soccer as I am not a fan. I am still whining about the loss of the Stampede Basketball team to Boise which eventually folded, and the BSU -Vandal games which were sold out&#8211;guess they were too successful.</p>
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		By: Paul E Fortin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul E Fortin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2017 04:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to see a vote on how the people of Boise City an A or Ney, on the baseball field, the F 35, road closures, demolishing homes of historical district to allow CVS pharmacy to proceed on state street just blocks from 2 other pharmacy. It&#039;s time for the Boise City Council to listen to the residents of Boise on how neighborhoods are being affected or will be, due to votes by our present and future council members. All neighborhoods of Boise city should be treated equally, so it&#039;s time for change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see a vote on how the people of Boise City an A or Ney, on the baseball field, the F 35, road closures, demolishing homes of historical district to allow CVS pharmacy to proceed on state street just blocks from 2 other pharmacy. It&#8217;s time for the Boise City Council to listen to the residents of Boise on how neighborhoods are being affected or will be, due to votes by our present and future council members. All neighborhoods of Boise city should be treated equally, so it&#8217;s time for change.</p>
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		By: Spread the word		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spread the word]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2017 01:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your voices resonate here.  But the voices need to be submitted to the city council.  Write them letters and attend the forums.  

and chicago sam:   Just say &quot;Idaho Center&quot;. . .  that is a perfect soccer venue, don&#039;t you think?  That way when the snow is deep the kids can still play.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your voices resonate here.  But the voices need to be submitted to the city council.  Write them letters and attend the forums.  </p>
<p>and chicago sam:   Just say &#8220;Idaho Center&#8221;. . .  that is a perfect soccer venue, don&#8217;t you think?  That way when the snow is deep the kids can still play.</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just say &quot;Idaho Center&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just say &#8220;Idaho Center&#8221;</p>
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