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		By: Chickenhawk		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/10/09/field-of-dreams-or-financial-nightmare/#comment-103705</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chickenhawk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know this drum has already been beaten enough, but I am sure pleased to see the news media finally waking up and reporting the other side of this looming &quot;white elephant&quot; of a stadium.  Props to the Daily Paper for getting the ball rolling.  For a while there I was starting to think that the TV news was just going to be arms of the City PR Department.

I thought we were done giving bailouts to multimillionaires after the 2008 crash.  So far, Mr. Kimball has my support.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this drum has already been beaten enough, but I am sure pleased to see the news media finally waking up and reporting the other side of this looming &#8220;white elephant&#8221; of a stadium.  Props to the Daily Paper for getting the ball rolling.  For a while there I was starting to think that the TV news was just going to be arms of the City PR Department.</p>
<p>I thought we were done giving bailouts to multimillionaires after the 2008 crash.  So far, Mr. Kimball has my support.</p>
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		By: jj		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[warm springs and broadway is donna larsen park, a Boise State track and softball field, not large enough for baseball.  

However I am curious if the fields by Fort Boise are large enough when combined for such a space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>warm springs and broadway is donna larsen park, a Boise State track and softball field, not large enough for baseball.  </p>
<p>However I am curious if the fields by Fort Boise are large enough when combined for such a space.</p>
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		By: Jim Redfield		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Redfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You might be interested in a book (Field of Schemes) and accompanying website: Fieldofschemes.com

&quot;Fieldofschemes.com is the companion website to Field of Schemes: How the Great Stadium Swindle Turns Public Money Into Private Profit, by Joanna Cagan and Neil deMause. Since 1998, we have been casting a critical eye on the roughly $2 billion a year in public subsidies that go toward building new pro sports facilities.&quot;

In particular why should the public fund a stadium for only 5,000 fans. In the early 1950&#039;s Boise had a baseball stadium with space for 5,000 customers. Boise is now 6 times as large as in the 50&#039;s and should be building a 25,000 seat stadium so we can attract a AAA baseball team. All at no cost to the taxpayer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in a book (Field of Schemes) and accompanying website: Fieldofschemes.com</p>
<p>&#8220;Fieldofschemes.com is the companion website to Field of Schemes: How the Great Stadium Swindle Turns Public Money Into Private Profit, by Joanna Cagan and Neil deMause. Since 1998, we have been casting a critical eye on the roughly $2 billion a year in public subsidies that go toward building new pro sports facilities.&#8221;</p>
<p>In particular why should the public fund a stadium for only 5,000 fans. In the early 1950&#8217;s Boise had a baseball stadium with space for 5,000 customers. Boise is now 6 times as large as in the 50&#8217;s and should be building a 25,000 seat stadium so we can attract a AAA baseball team. All at no cost to the taxpayer.</p>
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		By: Spread the word		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spread the word]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 04:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t someone just build a baseball stadium at Warm Springs and Broadway?  Is it also a soccer field?  

I would appreciate someone who has all of the time and information about sports facilities, private, state, city, or school, making a list to show how much this area actually has.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t someone just build a baseball stadium at Warm Springs and Broadway?  Is it also a soccer field?  </p>
<p>I would appreciate someone who has all of the time and information about sports facilities, private, state, city, or school, making a list to show how much this area actually has.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been totally out of touch about BSU baseball.  Where will they play?  Could we please collaboratively build some multi-purpose facilities that several users could use and share the cost/upkeep?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been totally out of touch about BSU baseball.  Where will they play?  Could we please collaboratively build some multi-purpose facilities that several users could use and share the cost/upkeep?</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 01:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s apparent that Dave Bieter&#039;s self nomination to the CCDC has created a conflict of interest! He works harder for out of state developers than his constituents. I believe some city council members are also on the CCDC board. Didn&#039;t Dave Bieter say he wanted to be transparent? He must of meant just for the, internal, Foothill bond fund screw up? If 25% of BPD services are devoted to the downtown core  and if CCDC collects revenue instead of taxing districts would it be fair to say that A MINIMUM 75% of downtown core properties  YIELD PROPERTY TAX REVENUE ONLY TO CCDC?

EDITOR NOTE-- Clarification is in order.  The taxes on improvements and appreciation are diverted to CCDC.  The base value when the urban renewal district was created goes to the local governments and schools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s apparent that Dave Bieter&#8217;s self nomination to the CCDC has created a conflict of interest! He works harder for out of state developers than his constituents. I believe some city council members are also on the CCDC board. Didn&#8217;t Dave Bieter say he wanted to be transparent? He must of meant just for the, internal, Foothill bond fund screw up? If 25% of BPD services are devoted to the downtown core  and if CCDC collects revenue instead of taxing districts would it be fair to say that A MINIMUM 75% of downtown core properties  YIELD PROPERTY TAX REVENUE ONLY TO CCDC?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211; Clarification is in order.  The taxes on improvements and appreciation are diverted to CCDC.  The base value when the urban renewal district was created goes to the local governments and schools.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 19:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I don&#039;t see the need other than to support yet another poor out of state developer who desperately needs this project or most certainly he&#039;ll go under. 

Projects like this makes everyone involved in saying YES feel impotent, er I meant important. The fact is a new, shiny stadium will result in higher costs in too many ways.

If I don&#039;t attend the Hawks games now why do you honestly believe that I am going to spend even more money to attend the games just because you feel I should visit your new stadium?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t see the need other than to support yet another poor out of state developer who desperately needs this project or most certainly he&#8217;ll go under. </p>
<p>Projects like this makes everyone involved in saying YES feel impotent, er I meant important. The fact is a new, shiny stadium will result in higher costs in too many ways.</p>
<p>If I don&#8217;t attend the Hawks games now why do you honestly believe that I am going to spend even more money to attend the games just because you feel I should visit your new stadium?</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is weird that we all have become so enlightened that we can&#039;t accept our democratic republic...  
Reason might be that so many of the representatives screw up so badly, i.e., ACHD, BPD, and Bieter&#039;s trolley. 
 
REMINDER: we elect people to do our &quot;voting&quot; for us.  

A vote: 
We saw how that went in the past- where the city hijacks city money to advertise and promote their opinion.    


A private developer would never do the project- the benefits are not enough for ONLY the property owner.   However, the benefits to the overall city &#039;could&#039; justify such a project.  

I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a good project, but opposing it simply because there is not a vote or that is uses taxpayer money is more than a little short-sighted. 

Stating (emphasizing &quot;never&quot;) if the city owns it,  &quot;it will NEVER generate any tax revenue to the city&quot; is NOT exactly correct.  That&#039;s like saying the BSU stadium doesn&#039;t bring any tax revenue to the Boise.  
Such a facility will generate sales tax with admissions and concessions.  Sales tax does come back to the city (ies).  Additional wages, visiting tourist lodging, beer sales, permits and licenses, and increased property values on adjacent properties would indirectly benefit the city/county as well.  
Growth is growth and it inherently means more taxes for the city. 
And when the city (county) gets more tax dollars, they WILL find some way to spend it-- even if it is wasteful.

EDITOR NOTE: Easterner, you are pickier than my 8th grade English teacher!  City owned property never generates PROPERTY TAXES, ok?  As for the surrounding &quot;appreciated property values,&quot; the taxes on those parcels are DIVERTED to CCDC for 20 years.  Hot dog and beer taxes generated by Lyle Smith-Bronco-Albertson Stadium do little to offset lost property tax revenues BSU has taken from Boise just through buying houses for expansion.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is weird that we all have become so enlightened that we can&#8217;t accept our democratic republic&#8230;<br />
Reason might be that so many of the representatives screw up so badly, i.e., ACHD, BPD, and Bieter&#8217;s trolley. </p>
<p>REMINDER: we elect people to do our &#8220;voting&#8221; for us.  </p>
<p>A vote:<br />
We saw how that went in the past- where the city hijacks city money to advertise and promote their opinion.    </p>
<p>A private developer would never do the project- the benefits are not enough for ONLY the property owner.   However, the benefits to the overall city &#8216;could&#8217; justify such a project.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s a good project, but opposing it simply because there is not a vote or that is uses taxpayer money is more than a little short-sighted. </p>
<p>Stating (emphasizing &#8220;never&#8221;) if the city owns it,  &#8220;it will NEVER generate any tax revenue to the city&#8221; is NOT exactly correct.  That&#8217;s like saying the BSU stadium doesn&#8217;t bring any tax revenue to the Boise.<br />
Such a facility will generate sales tax with admissions and concessions.  Sales tax does come back to the city (ies).  Additional wages, visiting tourist lodging, beer sales, permits and licenses, and increased property values on adjacent properties would indirectly benefit the city/county as well.<br />
Growth is growth and it inherently means more taxes for the city.<br />
And when the city (county) gets more tax dollars, they WILL find some way to spend it&#8211; even if it is wasteful.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE: Easterner, you are pickier than my 8th grade English teacher!  City owned property never generates PROPERTY TAXES, ok?  As for the surrounding &#8220;appreciated property values,&#8221; the taxes on those parcels are DIVERTED to CCDC for 20 years.  Hot dog and beer taxes generated by Lyle Smith-Bronco-Albertson Stadium do little to offset lost property tax revenues BSU has taken from Boise just through buying houses for expansion.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m neither for nor against, but let&#039;s look at some other things.

Let&#039;s say the stadium becomes privately owned. How would it be assessed? There are few if any comparables. The assessor would have to use the income method of appraisal. And if it makes little to no income, as most of you think, what then would they pay in property tax? $0? Or maybe only on the land but not the business?

Remember the special assessment  deal Micron got due to the uniqueness of their property?

EDITOR NOTE--Good point!  You refer to the same Micron that just announced layoffs of 500 employees, previously dumped hundreds more, and always &quot;put Boise on the list&quot; for possible sites for new facilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m neither for nor against, but let&#8217;s look at some other things.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say the stadium becomes privately owned. How would it be assessed? There are few if any comparables. The assessor would have to use the income method of appraisal. And if it makes little to no income, as most of you think, what then would they pay in property tax? $0? Or maybe only on the land but not the business?</p>
<p>Remember the special assessment  deal Micron got due to the uniqueness of their property?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Good point!  You refer to the same Micron that just announced layoffs of 500 employees, previously dumped hundreds more, and always &#8220;put Boise on the list&#8221; for possible sites for new facilities.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BG wrote: &quot;About 25% of all Boise Police services are devoted to the downtown area, but the rest of the city’s citizens have to pay the bill.  A downtown ball park would only add to that expense.&quot;

Of course services are concentrated there, that&#039;s where the people concentrate. 10s of thousands flood the downtown area from other Boise neighborhoods and elsewhere every single day except Sunday. 

Move the homeless shelters to Meridian if you want police service to be less frequent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG wrote: &#8220;About 25% of all Boise Police services are devoted to the downtown area, but the rest of the city’s citizens have to pay the bill.  A downtown ball park would only add to that expense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course services are concentrated there, that&#8217;s where the people concentrate. 10s of thousands flood the downtown area from other Boise neighborhoods and elsewhere every single day except Sunday. </p>
<p>Move the homeless shelters to Meridian if you want police service to be less frequent.</p>
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