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		By: dave zarkin		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/11/04/corporate-welfare-costly-to-idahoans/#comment-103915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave zarkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is excellent reporting and a position I support. I am on the communications team for ISAIAH in the Twin Cities which supports racial equality and opposes the corporate agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is excellent reporting and a position I support. I am on the communications team for ISAIAH in the Twin Cities which supports racial equality and opposes the corporate agenda.</p>
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		By: So. . .		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[So. . .]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2017 01:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is why urban renewal projects sunset, so they don&#039;t become whores for the greedy.  But the wftg don&#039;t let them sunset.  They call everything to be in need of renewal - neglected, disenfranchised, dis-invested.  Urban renewal needs to stop.  If this area is so hot then we don&#039;t need government subsidies for the development and reinvestment of our neighborhoods.  

To the previous writer - those 500 who relocate here and pay all individual  taxes do not offset the amount that is put in to the developers pockets, consolidating property, and leaving the potential for the individual to invest at a big zero.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why urban renewal projects sunset, so they don&#8217;t become whores for the greedy.  But the wftg don&#8217;t let them sunset.  They call everything to be in need of renewal &#8211; neglected, disenfranchised, dis-invested.  Urban renewal needs to stop.  If this area is so hot then we don&#8217;t need government subsidies for the development and reinvestment of our neighborhoods.  </p>
<p>To the previous writer &#8211; those 500 who relocate here and pay all individual  taxes do not offset the amount that is put in to the developers pockets, consolidating property, and leaving the potential for the individual to invest at a big zero.</p>
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		By: Foothills Rider		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/11/04/corporate-welfare-costly-to-idahoans/#comment-103849</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foothills Rider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2017 00:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wiebe so correct.  We saw all the same with Dynamis: serial meetings behind closed doors in smaller groups, seemingly innocent resolutions and land use changes all taking place before anyone knew that Dynamis was a 22 megawatt private power plant that could likely truck in tires to supplement fuel for the process.  The deal all made before the public could weigh in on anything.  As for similar, with Stadium, see: CONCERNEDBOISETAXPAYERS.COM and today&#039;s start of not-so-surprising news that - horror - meetings were going on without public notice!  tsk tsk, Mr. Rice.  Shameful e-mails they have on you.  Now, if they can just back up a couple of more years and see how/why Bieter may have been involved in swaying Schoen, a developer, to buy a part season minor league ball team under premise that he would get a development bonanza out of it.  The &quot;team&quot; and sentiments surrounding it simply a tool for TIF funding for the larger development that needs the connection.  Oh, and TIF?  Why or how does anyone think this is free money?  Without syphoning increased taxes to the developers to fund their projects, where do you suppose the tax money would be spent?  If it &quot;would have been&quot;  wherever you are thinking, where is it going to come from now?  Have you analyzed the general budget for Boise?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiebe so correct.  We saw all the same with Dynamis: serial meetings behind closed doors in smaller groups, seemingly innocent resolutions and land use changes all taking place before anyone knew that Dynamis was a 22 megawatt private power plant that could likely truck in tires to supplement fuel for the process.  The deal all made before the public could weigh in on anything.  As for similar, with Stadium, see: CONCERNEDBOISETAXPAYERS.COM and today&#8217;s start of not-so-surprising news that &#8211; horror &#8211; meetings were going on without public notice!  tsk tsk, Mr. Rice.  Shameful e-mails they have on you.  Now, if they can just back up a couple of more years and see how/why Bieter may have been involved in swaying Schoen, a developer, to buy a part season minor league ball team under premise that he would get a development bonanza out of it.  The &#8220;team&#8221; and sentiments surrounding it simply a tool for TIF funding for the larger development that needs the connection.  Oh, and TIF?  Why or how does anyone think this is free money?  Without syphoning increased taxes to the developers to fund their projects, where do you suppose the tax money would be spent?  If it &#8220;would have been&#8221;  wherever you are thinking, where is it going to come from now?  Have you analyzed the general budget for Boise?</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/11/04/corporate-welfare-costly-to-idahoans/#comment-103848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2017 22:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It reminds me of the cell phone companies, Cable One, and the satellite TV outfits. Great deals for new customers... zippo for long-term customers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminds me of the cell phone companies, Cable One, and the satellite TV outfits. Great deals for new customers&#8230; zippo for long-term customers.</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2017/11/04/corporate-welfare-costly-to-idahoans/#comment-103846</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2017 04:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have always believed in keeping it local and organic growth. Which is why we love the Treasure Valley.

This kind of stimulated growth will always have its winners and losers. With outside corps being subsidized, they tend to be the winners. Its too bad really. 

I wonder if they subsidized T-Sheets new build in Eagle, the same way?


Great article!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have always believed in keeping it local and organic growth. Which is why we love the Treasure Valley.</p>
<p>This kind of stimulated growth will always have its winners and losers. With outside corps being subsidized, they tend to be the winners. Its too bad really. </p>
<p>I wonder if they subsidized T-Sheets new build in Eagle, the same way?</p>
<p>Great article!</p>
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		By: Heinrich Wiebe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heinrich Wiebe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2017 03:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I worked at CCDC for a brief period. IT was a revolving door of private meetings with wealthy-flashy stakeholders who wanted to leverage their investment off the taxpayer via the skimming tool called tax increment financing and bonds written to pay for things that the developer didn&#039;t want to pay for. I watched land deals go down just ahead of district formation. It was as if they were lining up the bowling pins for the strike. It grossed me out and so I quit. It&#039;s an art of red tape dancing. Fake transparency is the game. Nice website though!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at CCDC for a brief period. IT was a revolving door of private meetings with wealthy-flashy stakeholders who wanted to leverage their investment off the taxpayer via the skimming tool called tax increment financing and bonds written to pay for things that the developer didn&#8217;t want to pay for. I watched land deals go down just ahead of district formation. It was as if they were lining up the bowling pins for the strike. It grossed me out and so I quit. It&#8217;s an art of red tape dancing. Fake transparency is the game. Nice website though!</p>
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		By: Not an Even Playing FIeld		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not an Even Playing FIeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2017 03:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone with over 25 years of background in economic and business development in the Boise Valley there are few winners and several losers in this game.

Winners: There is no question that the developers win in this game. The developers win big. How? The developers get subsidized land deals, loans and in some case free assets to off set the cost of their projects. Things like parking garages, and in the case of Tommy Alquist an entire foundation for a building that is also a bus station.

In the case of Tommy Alquist his father perfected the art of getting the locals governments to to expand Urban Renewal Zones and then take advantage of the freebees.

The use of urban renewal zone today creates a windfall of cash for local mayors to use as they please. It is basically a way to grab all the taxes of the improved value and have access to it outside the voters reach. 

In Meridian a cornfield was designated as an urban renewal district. The only thing &quot;Urban&quot; in the area was the multi level gopher holes in the field. There was really nothing &quot;urban&quot; about it.

Regarding the incentives to business owners from out of town there is a very clear disadvantage to local business owners. 

We call it the &quot;WalMart&quot; effect. The city gives a business like Walmart or in this case Payology discounts on payroll and property taxes that the local business that has been in the area for years don&#039;t get. This gives the out of town folks a huge advantage. 

Having worked to set values on businesses over many years I have yet to see a business whose competitor got a deal improve it&#039;s own balance sheet. In fact the local long time business always looses value. 

Urban renewal and business incentives are unnatural motions to the natural market - the winner is the local government and their cronies not the business community. When you unbalance the market in one area someone suffers while another wins at their cost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone with over 25 years of background in economic and business development in the Boise Valley there are few winners and several losers in this game.</p>
<p>Winners: There is no question that the developers win in this game. The developers win big. How? The developers get subsidized land deals, loans and in some case free assets to off set the cost of their projects. Things like parking garages, and in the case of Tommy Alquist an entire foundation for a building that is also a bus station.</p>
<p>In the case of Tommy Alquist his father perfected the art of getting the locals governments to to expand Urban Renewal Zones and then take advantage of the freebees.</p>
<p>The use of urban renewal zone today creates a windfall of cash for local mayors to use as they please. It is basically a way to grab all the taxes of the improved value and have access to it outside the voters reach. </p>
<p>In Meridian a cornfield was designated as an urban renewal district. The only thing &#8220;Urban&#8221; in the area was the multi level gopher holes in the field. There was really nothing &#8220;urban&#8221; about it.</p>
<p>Regarding the incentives to business owners from out of town there is a very clear disadvantage to local business owners. </p>
<p>We call it the &#8220;WalMart&#8221; effect. The city gives a business like Walmart or in this case Payology discounts on payroll and property taxes that the local business that has been in the area for years don&#8217;t get. This gives the out of town folks a huge advantage. </p>
<p>Having worked to set values on businesses over many years I have yet to see a business whose competitor got a deal improve it&#8217;s own balance sheet. In fact the local long time business always looses value. </p>
<p>Urban renewal and business incentives are unnatural motions to the natural market &#8211; the winner is the local government and their cronies not the business community. When you unbalance the market in one area someone suffers while another wins at their cost.</p>
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		By: Eagle Writer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eagle Writer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mister Editor, you wrote: &quot;Meanwhile 500 more workers with cars, and children which will demand schools, sewers, roads, police, and fire services will be subsidized by existing property owners.&quot;

A conservative view of that situation would be: &quot;Meanwhile 500 more workers will be paying auto taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, sales taxes and state income tax, to fund the needed schools, sewers, roads, police, and fire services.&quot;

Only leftist &quot;economists&quot; believe the government loses money when workers move out of the community (business is dying), and loses money when workers move into the community (business is growing). 

Providing incentives for business recruitment and growth is not the same as providing an unfair advantage to one business over another. Let&#039;s keep those two issues separate.

EDITOR NOTE--Regarding &quot;incentives,&quot; let&#039;s put the issue at grassroots level (pun intended).  If the BLM and Idaho Water Resources grant grazing and water rights to an out of state cattle company, while the existing Idaho rancher has to provide forage on his own deeded land and pay for a permitted water well, we think that sort of business recruitment and growth is EXACTLY the same as providing an unfair advantage…regardless of how many cowboys are hired or how many F-150s they gas up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mister Editor, you wrote: &#8220;Meanwhile 500 more workers with cars, and children which will demand schools, sewers, roads, police, and fire services will be subsidized by existing property owners.&#8221;</p>
<p>A conservative view of that situation would be: &#8220;Meanwhile 500 more workers will be paying auto taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, sales taxes and state income tax, to fund the needed schools, sewers, roads, police, and fire services.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only leftist &#8220;economists&#8221; believe the government loses money when workers move out of the community (business is dying), and loses money when workers move into the community (business is growing). </p>
<p>Providing incentives for business recruitment and growth is not the same as providing an unfair advantage to one business over another. Let&#8217;s keep those two issues separate.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Regarding &#8220;incentives,&#8221; let&#8217;s put the issue at grassroots level (pun intended).  If the BLM and Idaho Water Resources grant grazing and water rights to an out of state cattle company, while the existing Idaho rancher has to provide forage on his own deeded land and pay for a permitted water well, we think that sort of business recruitment and growth is EXACTLY the same as providing an unfair advantage…regardless of how many cowboys are hired or how many F-150s they gas up.</p>
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		By: chicago sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicago sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And in the fair town of Nampa Mother Earth Brewing Company is requesting a 10 year interest free loan of Approx. $100,000 to purchase the right to sewer capacity backed by Mayor Henry. No bank would make this kind of loan. Will be voted on at Monday night City Council meeting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in the fair town of Nampa Mother Earth Brewing Company is requesting a 10 year interest free loan of Approx. $100,000 to purchase the right to sewer capacity backed by Mayor Henry. No bank would make this kind of loan. Will be voted on at Monday night City Council meeting.</p>
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		By: Ridahoan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ridahoan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for shedding some light on these mysterious entities  -- interesting that the Republican candidates are deeply-involved in this corporate welfare scheme.  Maybe it is naive of me to think that government &#039;picking winners and losers&#039; was anathema to the GOP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for shedding some light on these mysterious entities  &#8212; interesting that the Republican candidates are deeply-involved in this corporate welfare scheme.  Maybe it is naive of me to think that government &#8216;picking winners and losers&#8217; was anathema to the GOP.</p>
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