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		By: Super-Smart		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104822</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Super-Smart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2018 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Super-Smart people never run out of stupid things to do.

https://www.al.com/expo/erry-2018/05/6a4713d9c79343/the_time_we_nuked_mississippi.html

I&#039;m wondering if the troops on the ground will be manipulating stoplights in effort to manipulate their targeted vehicles?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Super-Smart people never run out of stupid things to do.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.al.com/expo/erry-2018/05/6a4713d9c79343/the_time_we_nuked_mississippi.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.al.com/expo/erry-2018/05/6a4713d9c79343/the_time_we_nuked_mississippi.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if the troops on the ground will be manipulating stoplights in effort to manipulate their targeted vehicles?</p>
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		By: Tammy Ikonen		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104800</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tammy Ikonen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2018 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have grave concerns regarding the fact that foreign military will no doubt be playing the part in this training. The Singapore military Air Force by all accounts have been doing training here. It bothers me that they will probably be not the first nor the last foreign military to exercise in our state of Idaho. Disturbing that is being done here at all. I believe that they already have erected a city of this type near Mountain home so I&#039;m not understanding why they feel it&#039;s necessary to actually Prey Upon the good citizens of Boise. If you have never lived near base or been in the military, you are about to have a very rude awakening. I consider this domestic terrorism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have grave concerns regarding the fact that foreign military will no doubt be playing the part in this training. The Singapore military Air Force by all accounts have been doing training here. It bothers me that they will probably be not the first nor the last foreign military to exercise in our state of Idaho. Disturbing that is being done here at all. I believe that they already have erected a city of this type near Mountain home so I&#8217;m not understanding why they feel it&#8217;s necessary to actually Prey Upon the good citizens of Boise. If you have never lived near base or been in the military, you are about to have a very rude awakening. I consider this domestic terrorism.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104700</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2018 17:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Long History- it is time to take off the tin foil hat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long History- it is time to take off the tin foil hat.</p>
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		By: ppsel		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104699</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ppsel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2018 01:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Long History - it is time to take off the tin foil hat, lay down the conspiracy manifesto and take a breath and step back for a moment. This Close Air Support (CAS) training mission (not a War Game) is simply to give the pilots the means to gain, enhance and maintain the skills necessary to successfully carry out their orders in an effective manner and reduce personal risk to them.  Yes, these orders sending the pilots into harms way are driven by politicians more than military commanders. But in denying the pilots this CAS training what you and the other obstructionists are in essence doing is sending both the pilots and ground personnel into harms way with one arm tied behind their back. Remember that the next time you are thanking a military person you meet for their service.

Regarding that &quot;thank you for your service&quot; comment folks give to military personnel and feel so good about.  I have spoke with more than a few and they actually do not like receiving that for a few reasons. One of which is the aforementioned hypocrisy and lack of sincerity from the giver.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long History &#8211; it is time to take off the tin foil hat, lay down the conspiracy manifesto and take a breath and step back for a moment. This Close Air Support (CAS) training mission (not a War Game) is simply to give the pilots the means to gain, enhance and maintain the skills necessary to successfully carry out their orders in an effective manner and reduce personal risk to them.  Yes, these orders sending the pilots into harms way are driven by politicians more than military commanders. But in denying the pilots this CAS training what you and the other obstructionists are in essence doing is sending both the pilots and ground personnel into harms way with one arm tied behind their back. Remember that the next time you are thanking a military person you meet for their service.</p>
<p>Regarding that &#8220;thank you for your service&#8221; comment folks give to military personnel and feel so good about.  I have spoke with more than a few and they actually do not like receiving that for a few reasons. One of which is the aforementioned hypocrisy and lack of sincerity from the giver.</p>
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		By: Long History		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104698</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Long History]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2018 22:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BB, you are mistaken?  You are an agent?  Or just simply _____ if you think this whole militarization thing is not degrading our everyday life in America.  Defensive military is needed no doubt.  However, we are 7x more than a defensive military.  It is a corporate business model to start and fight never ending conflicts.

WRONG!  The war has come to our shores. 9/11, did you forget?  Defense spending is only one measure.  In plain sight is another.  Every time the TSA feels up my boobs and crevices (dirty glove?).  Every time they interrogate an old lady returning from cancer treatment.  Every time I see a cop shoot someone with an M-16 who would probably just fall asleep if the cop ate a doughnut and moved a block further away.  The surveillance state we live in.  Did you not hear what Ed Snowden was shouting at us?  Our super-smart super-sneaky spy people in government... whose primary quality is a lack of moral compass... has turned the entire spy-works inward.   DeepState nearly succeeded in picking our president. (It will succeed when elections federalized.)  Have you read up on the creep Trump appointed the next CIA chief?  Or Obama&#039;s CIA creep?

Can&#039;t image the sorrow of families and cultures we destroy in our overseas warfare as part of our ‘policy objectives’.  Apparently these policies are more important than innocent life.  We are the bully just as much as the people we call evil.

Tell the Mayor he does not have the right or authority to give permission to use Boise civilians and property in target practice by FOR PROFIT defense contractors.  He should at very least collect a user fee and distribute it to the population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB, you are mistaken?  You are an agent?  Or just simply _____ if you think this whole militarization thing is not degrading our everyday life in America.  Defensive military is needed no doubt.  However, we are 7x more than a defensive military.  It is a corporate business model to start and fight never ending conflicts.</p>
<p>WRONG!  The war has come to our shores. 9/11, did you forget?  Defense spending is only one measure.  In plain sight is another.  Every time the TSA feels up my boobs and crevices (dirty glove?).  Every time they interrogate an old lady returning from cancer treatment.  Every time I see a cop shoot someone with an M-16 who would probably just fall asleep if the cop ate a doughnut and moved a block further away.  The surveillance state we live in.  Did you not hear what Ed Snowden was shouting at us?  Our super-smart super-sneaky spy people in government&#8230; whose primary quality is a lack of moral compass&#8230; has turned the entire spy-works inward.   DeepState nearly succeeded in picking our president. (It will succeed when elections federalized.)  Have you read up on the creep Trump appointed the next CIA chief?  Or Obama&#8217;s CIA creep?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t image the sorrow of families and cultures we destroy in our overseas warfare as part of our ‘policy objectives’.  Apparently these policies are more important than innocent life.  We are the bully just as much as the people we call evil.</p>
<p>Tell the Mayor he does not have the right or authority to give permission to use Boise civilians and property in target practice by FOR PROFIT defense contractors.  He should at very least collect a user fee and distribute it to the population.</p>
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		By: Bieter Begone		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104696</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bieter Begone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2018 21:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People on this thread seem to think that the military only needs to train once and then they are good to go.  In Reality, it’s a constant process.  There are always new people and new situations. Even those who have been through the training need to constantly train.

We are very lucky in this country not to have had a war come to our shores since 1865ish. Lucky because of the obvious toll it takes but also because it doesn’t appear most people would be able to handle it.  They would be too busy screeching about their rights and it’s someone else’s job.

Providing for the common defense is the one thing the Constitution explicitly states is a function of government. I wish more people would understand that and stop whining.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People on this thread seem to think that the military only needs to train once and then they are good to go.  In Reality, it’s a constant process.  There are always new people and new situations. Even those who have been through the training need to constantly train.</p>
<p>We are very lucky in this country not to have had a war come to our shores since 1865ish. Lucky because of the obvious toll it takes but also because it doesn’t appear most people would be able to handle it.  They would be too busy screeching about their rights and it’s someone else’s job.</p>
<p>Providing for the common defense is the one thing the Constitution explicitly states is a function of government. I wish more people would understand that and stop whining.</p>
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		By: Training Needed by Weapons Manufacturers		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Training Needed by Weapons Manufacturers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2018 02:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There have been at least THREE &quot;training&quot; proposals in Boise this year.
F-35 mission for ID AirNG was TRAINING.
ID Army NG Orchard Base expansion for outdated tanks claims needing more TRAINING.
MH AFB needs F-15E TRAINING over Boise, like forever. Establishing a PERMANENT training area.
These &quot;training&quot; proposals come straight from the weapons manufacturers. 
LMT wins, taxpayers lose.
Check this out, LMT is getting an order for Army Training supplies.
https://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2018/03/16/lockheed-army-training-win.aspx
Dominant export by state - AIRPLANES. Largely Boing.
http://www.visualcapitalist.com/largest-export-every-u-s-state-2017/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been at least THREE &#8220;training&#8221; proposals in Boise this year.<br />
F-35 mission for ID AirNG was TRAINING.<br />
ID Army NG Orchard Base expansion for outdated tanks claims needing more TRAINING.<br />
MH AFB needs F-15E TRAINING over Boise, like forever. Establishing a PERMANENT training area.<br />
These &#8220;training&#8221; proposals come straight from the weapons manufacturers.<br />
LMT wins, taxpayers lose.<br />
Check this out, LMT is getting an order for Army Training supplies.<br />
<a href="https://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2018/03/16/lockheed-army-training-win.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2018/03/16/lockheed-army-training-win.aspx</a><br />
Dominant export by state &#8211; AIRPLANES. Largely Boing.<br />
<a href="http://www.visualcapitalist.com/largest-export-every-u-s-state-2017/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.visualcapitalist.com/largest-export-every-u-s-state-2017/</a></p>
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		By: Linebacker		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104694</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linebacker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2018 00:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eagle writer.  Seems like the military has had close to 38 years of practice in Vietnam and the Mideast.  As I add it up, they have had 17 years in Afghanistan and Iraq alone with no peace in sight.  Vietnam was a forfeit and there is now a Ford plant in Hanoi.

The win-loss record is not impressive, despite having a stellar team. We lost 58,000 in Nam and about 3,000 to 6,000 in SW Asia.   Perhaps a draft would speed things up or limit the desire to fight.  Hail Mary, field goal, touchdown, anything but more overtime!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eagle writer.  Seems like the military has had close to 38 years of practice in Vietnam and the Mideast.  As I add it up, they have had 17 years in Afghanistan and Iraq alone with no peace in sight.  Vietnam was a forfeit and there is now a Ford plant in Hanoi.</p>
<p>The win-loss record is not impressive, despite having a stellar team. We lost 58,000 in Nam and about 3,000 to 6,000 in SW Asia.   Perhaps a draft would speed things up or limit the desire to fight.  Hail Mary, field goal, touchdown, anything but more overtime!</p>
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		By: Eagle Writer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eagle Writer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2018 16:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good damn grief! Some people live under a bucket, some truly were born yesterday, and some think freedom is free.

About 1980 (38 years ago) I was a captain in the 12th Special Forces Group, and our unit joined a major AFB for exercises over and in a medium-large city. AWACs were up 24 hours a day, the &quot;fast movers&quot; flew their simulated missions and you could hear choppers nonstop.

My team (and others) worked the urban downtown, in civilian clothes, with coded message drops, street surveillance, package hand-offs, and establishing communications networks, etc.

We trained for it, worked from a detailed operations plan, and gained valuable experience for air and ground personnel. Experience that then folded into more training and preparation for those who live and work in the world of unconventional warfare - which today is much of what the U.S. engages in.

Join me in sending best wishes to today&#039;s military for a great training operation, and hopefully valuable lessons learned and experience gained, just as my team and others did 38 years ago.

The military is a lot like football  - as you practice so will you play. And sometime you have to put on the pads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good damn grief! Some people live under a bucket, some truly were born yesterday, and some think freedom is free.</p>
<p>About 1980 (38 years ago) I was a captain in the 12th Special Forces Group, and our unit joined a major AFB for exercises over and in a medium-large city. AWACs were up 24 hours a day, the &#8220;fast movers&#8221; flew their simulated missions and you could hear choppers nonstop.</p>
<p>My team (and others) worked the urban downtown, in civilian clothes, with coded message drops, street surveillance, package hand-offs, and establishing communications networks, etc.</p>
<p>We trained for it, worked from a detailed operations plan, and gained valuable experience for air and ground personnel. Experience that then folded into more training and preparation for those who live and work in the world of unconventional warfare &#8211; which today is much of what the U.S. engages in.</p>
<p>Join me in sending best wishes to today&#8217;s military for a great training operation, and hopefully valuable lessons learned and experience gained, just as my team and others did 38 years ago.</p>
<p>The military is a lot like football  &#8211; as you practice so will you play. And sometime you have to put on the pads.</p>
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		By: Long History		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/05/03/air-force-sets-boise-target-meet/#comment-104692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Long History]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2018 21:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What they want to simulate is something perfected by Israeli many years ago.  Once absolute air superiority is established, aircraft orbit a conflict area and eliminate targets at the request of ground troops.  They need to teach our pilots and ground troops how to kill with air launched standoff weapons very precisely within a populated area.  A needed and necessary skill now that noncombatant lives are more valued.

What they are not telling us is they have huge numbers of pilots and ground troops who need this training.  It will likely happen night and day continuously.  It will likely involve foreign forces too.  This will not be an occasional event.

Additionally, what they are not telling us is if they add in simulated enemy anti-aircraft fire the overhead aircraft will become much much louder as they maneuver defensively.  

They are not telling us of the very powerful ground scanning radars used to actively map and detect targets.  2 or 4 F-15Es never operate alone.  Somewhere in the distance will be a powerful airborne radar blasting Boise to provide overall situational awareness and targeting info.  

They are not telling us of the radio and radar jamming which is typically done to protect the aircraft in hostile areas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they want to simulate is something perfected by Israeli many years ago.  Once absolute air superiority is established, aircraft orbit a conflict area and eliminate targets at the request of ground troops.  They need to teach our pilots and ground troops how to kill with air launched standoff weapons very precisely within a populated area.  A needed and necessary skill now that noncombatant lives are more valued.</p>
<p>What they are not telling us is they have huge numbers of pilots and ground troops who need this training.  It will likely happen night and day continuously.  It will likely involve foreign forces too.  This will not be an occasional event.</p>
<p>Additionally, what they are not telling us is if they add in simulated enemy anti-aircraft fire the overhead aircraft will become much much louder as they maneuver defensively.  </p>
<p>They are not telling us of the very powerful ground scanning radars used to actively map and detect targets.  2 or 4 F-15Es never operate alone.  Somewhere in the distance will be a powerful airborne radar blasting Boise to provide overall situational awareness and targeting info.  </p>
<p>They are not telling us of the radio and radar jamming which is typically done to protect the aircraft in hostile areas.</p>
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