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		By: Porcupine		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/08/20/horse-race-ads-run-on-muddy-track/#comment-105207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 23:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like I said those of us that were here when we were sold the lottery in the State.  We  were told that it would solve all of the school funding/ repair issues...Heck I remember one commercial that said the probably our State income tax would go down.

For sure they have given money to the school but the only big winners that I know of is Brad Duke and Pam Hiatt.  Schools still need repairs... need bonds...and more tax money.

I wish that some one would tell the Horse racing folks that it is a dying sport... Facts are jobs are going begging now in Ada county.  If they don&#039;t have racing the folks can still get a job.... and maybe a full time job not just part time when the horses are running.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said those of us that were here when we were sold the lottery in the State.  We  were told that it would solve all of the school funding/ repair issues&#8230;Heck I remember one commercial that said the probably our State income tax would go down.</p>
<p>For sure they have given money to the school but the only big winners that I know of is Brad Duke and Pam Hiatt.  Schools still need repairs&#8230; need bonds&#8230;and more tax money.</p>
<p>I wish that some one would tell the Horse racing folks that it is a dying sport&#8230; Facts are jobs are going begging now in Ada county.  If they don&#8217;t have racing the folks can still get a job&#8230;. and maybe a full time job not just part time when the horses are running.</p>
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		By: TFBoy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/08/20/horse-race-ads-run-on-muddy-track/#comment-105206</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TFBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again, this will be a state sanctioned franchised casino for a bunch of rich guys.  It will be a cash cow with live racing as the straw man.  I agree with Dave that these are slot machines which will be struck down by the Courts.  The legal gymnastics that the AG went through to link these to pari-mutuel betting is baffling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, this will be a state sanctioned franchised casino for a bunch of rich guys.  It will be a cash cow with live racing as the straw man.  I agree with Dave that these are slot machines which will be struck down by the Courts.  The legal gymnastics that the AG went through to link these to pari-mutuel betting is baffling.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/08/20/horse-race-ads-run-on-muddy-track/#comment-105203</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ, Normally  I would totally agree with you. But in this case, the horse people have spun the issue to the point that I am not sure I can support it. In spite of what the ads say, it&#039;s about bailing out an industry that can&#039;t make it on its own. And spinning the issue to avoid calling it what it is---gambling. They BS&#039;d the legislature (not that that&#039;s a huge accomplishment). Further, I don&#039;t see any reason why the County should be in the entertainment business to begin with. Just my thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, Normally  I would totally agree with you. But in this case, the horse people have spun the issue to the point that I am not sure I can support it. In spite of what the ads say, it&#8217;s about bailing out an industry that can&#8217;t make it on its own. And spinning the issue to avoid calling it what it is&#8212;gambling. They BS&#8217;d the legislature (not that that&#8217;s a huge accomplishment). Further, I don&#8217;t see any reason why the County should be in the entertainment business to begin with. Just my thoughts.</p>
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		By: Ads are not misleading		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ads are not misleading]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 01:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re all in your own vein acting like betting on horses or historical machines are the death of society.  Neither are. 

Sarcasm is saying that lottery and horse racing promised to save education.  They did not make such promises, they (politicos, businessmen, horsemen, convenience stores who sell lottery) offer to share the robust earning of a mostly recreational endeavor that provides jobs, entertainment, excitement, bookmarks, and a few DUI&#039;s for Garden City on a regular basis. Also though, filling restaurants, shopping carts, and gas tanks. What should we do on Saturday nights, in the summer, in the city?

Sarcasm is saying this would be a way to save Idaho City; let them have historical racing machines.  But they don&#039;t have a track so they can&#039;t.  And who would drive that route?  The race track (and the baseball stadium) is convenient for about five municipalities and many tourists who enjoy a horse race and appreciate a payout for an informed bet with a risk. You can do both on the same night!!

I&#039;m getting the vibe that many contributors think it is not in the best interest of anyone to continue racing if it involves historical machines.  But they were already approved once - and if you think they are slots then this new vote is the exception to allow historical racing machines. It is 2018, and this is offering a choice for citizens. 

Isn&#039;t that ok?  Can we allow something to continue because it is here, and it is a thing people do?  We don&#039;t have to take the same principle and apply it to everything.  

Such as parking garages supporting paying for development.  Or taxes  paying for sports teams for colleges.  Or your property taxes paying for sidewalks 10 miles away?  Or the price of you medications supporting free medications elsewhere.  Using small cars to support the heavier vehicles on the road. 

I say the ads are not misleading.  That is our environment today - yes to the horse thing.  No to the ACHD thing.

EDITOR NOTE--Given your logic, the legislature has &quot;already banned the slot machines.&quot;  The real issue is whether or not the machines are really slots.  Slots are banned by the Idaho constitution and all the petitions and votes in the world cannot change that.  Only the legislature can initiate a constitutional amendment, not the citizens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all in your own vein acting like betting on horses or historical machines are the death of society.  Neither are. </p>
<p>Sarcasm is saying that lottery and horse racing promised to save education.  They did not make such promises, they (politicos, businessmen, horsemen, convenience stores who sell lottery) offer to share the robust earning of a mostly recreational endeavor that provides jobs, entertainment, excitement, bookmarks, and a few DUI&#8217;s for Garden City on a regular basis. Also though, filling restaurants, shopping carts, and gas tanks. What should we do on Saturday nights, in the summer, in the city?</p>
<p>Sarcasm is saying this would be a way to save Idaho City; let them have historical racing machines.  But they don&#8217;t have a track so they can&#8217;t.  And who would drive that route?  The race track (and the baseball stadium) is convenient for about five municipalities and many tourists who enjoy a horse race and appreciate a payout for an informed bet with a risk. You can do both on the same night!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting the vibe that many contributors think it is not in the best interest of anyone to continue racing if it involves historical machines.  But they were already approved once &#8211; and if you think they are slots then this new vote is the exception to allow historical racing machines. It is 2018, and this is offering a choice for citizens. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that ok?  Can we allow something to continue because it is here, and it is a thing people do?  We don&#8217;t have to take the same principle and apply it to everything.  </p>
<p>Such as parking garages supporting paying for development.  Or taxes  paying for sports teams for colleges.  Or your property taxes paying for sidewalks 10 miles away?  Or the price of you medications supporting free medications elsewhere.  Using small cars to support the heavier vehicles on the road. </p>
<p>I say the ads are not misleading.  That is our environment today &#8211; yes to the horse thing.  No to the ACHD thing.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Given your logic, the legislature has &#8220;already banned the slot machines.&#8221;  The real issue is whether or not the machines are really slots.  Slots are banned by the Idaho constitution and all the petitions and votes in the world cannot change that.  Only the legislature can initiate a constitutional amendment, not the citizens.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will always vote for freedom and choices for the people.  We do not need elected officials micro-managing the lives and choices of the citizens.

I resent the lack of respect the government gives me, by forcing me to live by laws that are designed to manage the lowest common denominator in our society.  In so doing, we are relegated into the same box as the lowest common denominator.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will always vote for freedom and choices for the people.  We do not need elected officials micro-managing the lives and choices of the citizens.</p>
<p>I resent the lack of respect the government gives me, by forcing me to live by laws that are designed to manage the lowest common denominator in our society.  In so doing, we are relegated into the same box as the lowest common denominator.</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/08/20/horse-race-ads-run-on-muddy-track/#comment-105197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The horse racing folks bet on the wrong nag in the Governor&#039;s race.  They put their money on Tommy Ahlquist.  They blamed Butch/Little for not signing the bill to allow instant racing.(well it was signed but a Little  ha ha too late)   Little knows they don&#039;t support him.

Then you got Paulette Jordan... from Northern Idaho... past Finance Chair and Energy Initiative Chair for the National Indian Gaming Association.  Will she support instant horse racing when the tribes have been against it?  I think not.

Will be very surprised if the machines that are now turned off and covered at Les Bois will ever be turned on again.

Will the State of Idaho quit expanding the Lottery.... I think not.  

Jackpot is only 2 1/2 hours away and  Cactus Pete sends a bus down every week if you have to do slot machines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The horse racing folks bet on the wrong nag in the Governor&#8217;s race.  They put their money on Tommy Ahlquist.  They blamed Butch/Little for not signing the bill to allow instant racing.(well it was signed but a Little  ha ha too late)   Little knows they don&#8217;t support him.</p>
<p>Then you got Paulette Jordan&#8230; from Northern Idaho&#8230; past Finance Chair and Energy Initiative Chair for the National Indian Gaming Association.  Will she support instant horse racing when the tribes have been against it?  I think not.</p>
<p>Will be very surprised if the machines that are now turned off and covered at Les Bois will ever be turned on again.</p>
<p>Will the State of Idaho quit expanding the Lottery&#8230;. I think not.  </p>
<p>Jackpot is only 2 1/2 hours away and  Cactus Pete sends a bus down every week if you have to do slot machines.</p>
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		By: zdv		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zdv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 02:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting that the Constitution&#039;s wording doesn&#039;t reference sports betting, another hot topic nationally.

A more direct angle for the horse racing supporters (or is this really only about Les Bois?) would be to loosen or eliminate this wording with an amendment.   It would be nice if the legislature interpreted the upcoming vote as a referendum on such an amendment, regardless of its constitutionality.  My suspicion is that an amendment loosening gambling restrictions has very little chance to get through the legislature.  Does anyone have insight into that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the Constitution&#8217;s wording doesn&#8217;t reference sports betting, another hot topic nationally.</p>
<p>A more direct angle for the horse racing supporters (or is this really only about Les Bois?) would be to loosen or eliminate this wording with an amendment.   It would be nice if the legislature interpreted the upcoming vote as a referendum on such an amendment, regardless of its constitutionality.  My suspicion is that an amendment loosening gambling restrictions has very little chance to get through the legislature.  Does anyone have insight into that?</p>
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		By: Fred Garvin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Garvin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 01:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pure hypocracy! Sure is A-Ok for the state to run the liquor racket, gambling outfit (lottery), give gambling preference and okay to the tribes, threaten to &quot;condemn&quot; private property for a college baseball stadium, hi-jack property owners year after year with unprecedented tax hike, etc., etc.

But, noooooooo. You, private citizen, can&#039;t place a private bet because it&#039;s...GAMBLING. OooooooooH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pure hypocracy! Sure is A-Ok for the state to run the liquor racket, gambling outfit (lottery), give gambling preference and okay to the tribes, threaten to &#8220;condemn&#8221; private property for a college baseball stadium, hi-jack property owners year after year with unprecedented tax hike, etc., etc.</p>
<p>But, noooooooo. You, private citizen, can&#8217;t place a private bet because it&#8217;s&#8230;GAMBLING. OooooooooH.</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 00:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many of us were here when lottery came into Idaho.  Lordy Lordy it was going to solve all of the school problems  ( same as the sales tax).  A chicken in every pot so to speak.

The lottery has been changing the line for gambling since it was legal.  Look at the new &quot;pull tabs&quot;  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkjV9fj7-b0&#038;frags=pl%2Cwn

Same with the liquor stores.  Back in the day they had short hours and closed on Sunday. Not now!   Heck I can show you liquor stores that are now almost next to schools...

Pot meet Kettle as far as instant racing goes.  Then you have the Indian gambling in the mix.

If the State of Idaho wants to pass judgement on gambling maybe they should stop the Lottery...Which I think should happen... but never will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of us were here when lottery came into Idaho.  Lordy Lordy it was going to solve all of the school problems  ( same as the sales tax).  A chicken in every pot so to speak.</p>
<p>The lottery has been changing the line for gambling since it was legal.  Look at the new &#8220;pull tabs&#8221;  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkjV9fj7-b0&#038;frags=pl%2Cwn" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkjV9fj7-b0&#038;frags=pl%2Cwn</a></p>
<p>Same with the liquor stores.  Back in the day they had short hours and closed on Sunday. Not now!   Heck I can show you liquor stores that are now almost next to schools&#8230;</p>
<p>Pot meet Kettle as far as instant racing goes.  Then you have the Indian gambling in the mix.</p>
<p>If the State of Idaho wants to pass judgement on gambling maybe they should stop the Lottery&#8230;Which I think should happen&#8230; but never will.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ads are not....      Your schools do not need more gambling!

The ads say nothing about the core issue. GAMBLING

The ads hide the fact that the issue is whether or not GAMBLING is going to be allowed at tracks in Idaho. The GAMBLING is done via betting on historic horse races - it has nothing to do with the horses running on the tracks at any Idaho location.

The entire issue is about GAMBLING and the ads hide that fact.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ads are not&#8230;.      Your schools do not need more gambling!</p>
<p>The ads say nothing about the core issue. GAMBLING</p>
<p>The ads hide the fact that the issue is whether or not GAMBLING is going to be allowed at tracks in Idaho. The GAMBLING is done via betting on historic horse races &#8211; it has nothing to do with the horses running on the tracks at any Idaho location.</p>
<p>The entire issue is about GAMBLING and the ads hide that fact.</p>
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