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		By: easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105292</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with LD. 
Too many cops are indeed a danger to society and justice. i.e. recently the female cop killing her neighbor when she mistakenly entered his apartment instead of hers. 
BPD has a noted case of SWAT entering the wrong house... 
And the Matthew Jones case. 

I am more concerned about an encounter with cops than I am with any other segment of our community.  
 
A Boise library or fire station expense pales in comparison to your mentally-ill child, or grandchild, being killed by police.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with LD.<br />
Too many cops are indeed a danger to society and justice. i.e. recently the female cop killing her neighbor when she mistakenly entered his apartment instead of hers.<br />
BPD has a noted case of SWAT entering the wrong house&#8230;<br />
And the Matthew Jones case. </p>
<p>I am more concerned about an encounter with cops than I am with any other segment of our community.  </p>
<p>A Boise library or fire station expense pales in comparison to your mentally-ill child, or grandchild, being killed by police.</p>
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		By: LD		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105280</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seriously, are we even suprised any more when a cop gets arrested, and nothing happens?
This state has such an addiction to the corruption that there is seriously no chance for justice when these thugs get their greedy little claws into our lives. 
They are a danger to society. More so than anything else. It is far more statistically probable that an American citizen will have their life destroyed by the American Judicial system, than by foreign terrorism.
And the saga continues...

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/former-california-deputy-caught-in-corruption-scandal-arrested-in-idaho/277-592094527]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, are we even suprised any more when a cop gets arrested, and nothing happens?<br />
This state has such an addiction to the corruption that there is seriously no chance for justice when these thugs get their greedy little claws into our lives.<br />
They are a danger to society. More so than anything else. It is far more statistically probable that an American citizen will have their life destroyed by the American Judicial system, than by foreign terrorism.<br />
And the saga continues&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/former-california-deputy-caught-in-corruption-scandal-arrested-in-idaho/277-592094527" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/former-california-deputy-caught-in-corruption-scandal-arrested-in-idaho/277-592094527</a></p>
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		By: Secondhand Nukes		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105277</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Secondhand Nukes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ironic that one of the BPD&#039;s latest Facebook posts is regarding Sober Driving  [ https://www.facebook.com/BoisePoliceDepartment/photos/a.10150413833728143/10156059745788143/?type=3&#038;theater ].

EDITOR NOTE--&quot;Do as I say, not as I do…..&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic that one of the BPD&#8217;s latest Facebook posts is regarding Sober Driving  [ <a href="https://www.facebook.com/BoisePoliceDepartment/photos/a.10150413833728143/10156059745788143/?type=3&#038;theater" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/BoisePoliceDepartment/photos/a.10150413833728143/10156059745788143/?type=3&#038;theater</a> ].</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;&#8220;Do as I say, not as I do…..&#8221;</p>
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		By: LD		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105276</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2018 13:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Knowing Idaho&#039;s good old boy&#039;s club, he will get a slap on the wrist and this will be swept under the rug.
Idaho has some of the most corrupted and evil cops, judges and lawyers in the nation. And Canyon County is the epicenter of all that]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing Idaho&#8217;s good old boy&#8217;s club, he will get a slap on the wrist and this will be swept under the rug.<br />
Idaho has some of the most corrupted and evil cops, judges and lawyers in the nation. And Canyon County is the epicenter of all that</p>
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		By: Ex Dispatcher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ex Dispatcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2018 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having worked as a police dispatcher for 10 years I can say I have seen a fair share of officers with alcohol abuse issues. Police departments really need to do a better job of helping officers cope with the stress of the job. Studies have put officers who are alcoholics between 15 and 25%. That number goes higher the longer they have been on the force. Some reaching 35%. I am in no way justifying officers drinking and driving. They know it’s wrong. I have seen on numerous occasions officers coming to work severely hungover but administrators failed to address the issue.  It’s no secret that most officers drink and some to excess after work.  It’s my opinion though that police departments fail to monitor the mental health of their officers and give them the tools they desperately need to deal with the job that has become more stressful each year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked as a police dispatcher for 10 years I can say I have seen a fair share of officers with alcohol abuse issues. Police departments really need to do a better job of helping officers cope with the stress of the job. Studies have put officers who are alcoholics between 15 and 25%. That number goes higher the longer they have been on the force. Some reaching 35%. I am in no way justifying officers drinking and driving. They know it’s wrong. I have seen on numerous occasions officers coming to work severely hungover but administrators failed to address the issue.  It’s no secret that most officers drink and some to excess after work.  It’s my opinion though that police departments fail to monitor the mental health of their officers and give them the tools they desperately need to deal with the job that has become more stressful each year.</p>
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		By: erico49		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105272</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erico49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2018 21:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Special.. you are exactly right. It&#039;s horrible to take a picture of a  person (who may or may not be guilty) on what may be the worst day of their lives and post it so that office workers can look and laugh on their lunch hour. And the media picks them up for broadcast. With NEVER a follow up if found innocent. And seldom if found guilty. The Guardian is right that the policy should be enforced equally. Just stop publishing the pics.

EDITOR NOTE--The mug shot issue is a direct result of both the public records law and the advent of electronic media.  ALL jails in Idaho (and probably USA) are required to maintain a &quot;docket&quot; listing all prisoners and their charges.  This is a GOOD thing as it allows us to insure the REAL &quot;John Doe&quot; is in jail and it prevents people from being jailed without due process.  Mugshots have become a part of the public record.  In the past it took weeks to fill a roll of film, process it and make prints.  Today, it is instant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Special.. you are exactly right. It&#8217;s horrible to take a picture of a  person (who may or may not be guilty) on what may be the worst day of their lives and post it so that office workers can look and laugh on their lunch hour. And the media picks them up for broadcast. With NEVER a follow up if found innocent. And seldom if found guilty. The Guardian is right that the policy should be enforced equally. Just stop publishing the pics.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;The mug shot issue is a direct result of both the public records law and the advent of electronic media.  ALL jails in Idaho (and probably USA) are required to maintain a &#8220;docket&#8221; listing all prisoners and their charges.  This is a GOOD thing as it allows us to insure the REAL &#8220;John Doe&#8221; is in jail and it prevents people from being jailed without due process.  Mugshots have become a part of the public record.  In the past it took weeks to fill a roll of film, process it and make prints.  Today, it is instant.</p>
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		By: Special		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105271</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Special]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2018 18:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely nobody should have their mugshot posted or assets seized until after conviction.  Posting a mugshot and publicly announcing arrests is in fact smearing someone before their day in court.  You almost never hear the cops announce the people not convicted.  TV stations never do a story on those people dragged through the social mud, financially drained, and then freed by the court.  So I agree editor, the policy needs to change.  Policing as currently applied is a for profit business model and the harvesting begins at the point of arrest.

I bet most people don’t realize the police have arrested &#062;30% of the people in Ada County at some point in time in their life.  Our prisons are jammed full of harmless people who could be holding a job so the court is broken too, but that’s a whole different thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

EDITOR NOTE--Whatever the system, policy, procedure--it should be applied equally.  For the most part, grand jury indictments are &quot;secret&quot; and they are often used in sex offender cases for the very reasons you cite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely nobody should have their mugshot posted or assets seized until after conviction.  Posting a mugshot and publicly announcing arrests is in fact smearing someone before their day in court.  You almost never hear the cops announce the people not convicted.  TV stations never do a story on those people dragged through the social mud, financially drained, and then freed by the court.  So I agree editor, the policy needs to change.  Policing as currently applied is a for profit business model and the harvesting begins at the point of arrest.</p>
<p>I bet most people don’t realize the police have arrested &gt;30% of the people in Ada County at some point in time in their life.  Our prisons are jammed full of harmless people who could be holding a job so the court is broken too, but that’s a whole different thread.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States</a></p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Whatever the system, policy, procedure&#8211;it should be applied equally.  For the most part, grand jury indictments are &#8220;secret&#8221; and they are often used in sex offender cases for the very reasons you cite.</p>
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		By: Mark Thompson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105269</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Thompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2018 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The mugshots are generally online for those in custody.  The officer was probably released pretty quickly on bail so it may never have gotten to the point where the mugshot would have been online.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mugshots are generally online for those in custody.  The officer was probably released pretty quickly on bail so it may never have gotten to the point where the mugshot would have been online.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/09/03/boise-copper-on-wrong-side-of-bars/#comment-105268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2018 16:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More cops in the news.  

&quot;&quot;After all you wouldn’t want a pilot at the controls if he had a judgement problem like drinking too much. Same is true for an armed officer.&quot;&quot;

Bad Judgement is illegal now? 

And yet Colin Kaepernick gets so much heat for calling attention to those cops with REALLY bad judgement.   

Police brutality-- that is about the maximum &#039;bad judgement&#039;. And all it takes is &#039;I was scared&#039; for a cop to get away with murder w/bad judgement.  
   
The Jack Yantis story comes to mind; lots examples, though, of cops doing things much worse than drinking too much in Wilder, Idaho.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More cops in the news.  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;After all you wouldn’t want a pilot at the controls if he had a judgement problem like drinking too much. Same is true for an armed officer.&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p>Bad Judgement is illegal now? </p>
<p>And yet Colin Kaepernick gets so much heat for calling attention to those cops with REALLY bad judgement.   </p>
<p>Police brutality&#8211; that is about the maximum &#8216;bad judgement&#8217;. And all it takes is &#8216;I was scared&#8217; for a cop to get away with murder w/bad judgement.  </p>
<p>The Jack Yantis story comes to mind; lots examples, though, of cops doing things much worse than drinking too much in Wilder, Idaho.</p>
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		By: Concerned Neighbor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned Neighbor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2018 12:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I received a DUI then my work would do... nothing.  I drive and travel for work.  I deal with important issues where a misjudgment can cause a lot of damage.  I&#039;m often armed outside of work (hunting, etc).

A pilot slipping up can cause 300 deaths.  Not so for pretty much any other job - including police.

As for not posting a mug shot, there are a variety of reasons and ways that everyone can get that.  Do some investigative work.  One of them is fear of safety, one of many factors which officers face because of how many people blame their own problems on officers today.

Writers are so desperate to prove that &quot;the pen is mightier than the sword&quot; that they look for any way to slander our peace keepers.  Try looking at the positive factors instead - or that the death rate has climbed so fast after Bieter forced out the last chief and BPD no longer enforces traffic laws.

EDITOR NOTE--Last chief, Mike Masterson, was not &quot;forced out.&quot;  He actually was the longest serving chief in the department&#039;s history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I received a DUI then my work would do&#8230; nothing.  I drive and travel for work.  I deal with important issues where a misjudgment can cause a lot of damage.  I&#8217;m often armed outside of work (hunting, etc).</p>
<p>A pilot slipping up can cause 300 deaths.  Not so for pretty much any other job &#8211; including police.</p>
<p>As for not posting a mug shot, there are a variety of reasons and ways that everyone can get that.  Do some investigative work.  One of them is fear of safety, one of many factors which officers face because of how many people blame their own problems on officers today.</p>
<p>Writers are so desperate to prove that &#8220;the pen is mightier than the sword&#8221; that they look for any way to slander our peace keepers.  Try looking at the positive factors instead &#8211; or that the death rate has climbed so fast after Bieter forced out the last chief and BPD no longer enforces traffic laws.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Last chief, Mike Masterson, was not &#8220;forced out.&#8221;  He actually was the longest serving chief in the department&#8217;s history.</p>
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