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		By: yeahbut		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105639</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yeahbut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2018 14:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These folks in the Thomas subdivision have a pretty sweet deal. They own a total of 38 acres all still zoned A-1 which means they pay tax at about 1/10 the rate of surrounding properties zone for residential, manufacturing and office uses.  Of course they expect us to pay to for the maintenance of their exclusive access too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These folks in the Thomas subdivision have a pretty sweet deal. They own a total of 38 acres all still zoned A-1 which means they pay tax at about 1/10 the rate of surrounding properties zone for residential, manufacturing and office uses.  Of course they expect us to pay to for the maintenance of their exclusive access too!</p>
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		By: western guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105638</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[western guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2018 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where&#039;s the head honcho, Bruce Wong, in all of this?  Managing the staff or managing to keep his job?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the head honcho, Bruce Wong, in all of this?  Managing the staff or managing to keep his job?</p>
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		By: Tucker Anderson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105637</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tucker Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2018 01:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think we should be thankful they only spent $25,000 (unfortunately), as the real price of the bridge would be easily 6 figures.  Looking at the 5 year plan just for bridge work the cheapest is well over $150,000 and this does not include any upgrades to the adjacent infrastructure.  Most likely to meet the current code the other hidden costs that would have been: right of way, turn around, road widening/retaining walls, etc.....   If a project relates to Life Safety, the Local Authority Having Jurisdiction should also have input in to the design.  In this case it was rushed thru and City of Boise Fire Department was not consulted.  Had they been, the scope probably would be significantly different.

Hopefully ACHD sets policy or enforces existing policy that projects of significant scope, even if related to Life Safety, have over-site to prevent them from being hidden from Commissioners or the taxpayers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should be thankful they only spent $25,000 (unfortunately), as the real price of the bridge would be easily 6 figures.  Looking at the 5 year plan just for bridge work the cheapest is well over $150,000 and this does not include any upgrades to the adjacent infrastructure.  Most likely to meet the current code the other hidden costs that would have been: right of way, turn around, road widening/retaining walls, etc&#8230;..   If a project relates to Life Safety, the Local Authority Having Jurisdiction should also have input in to the design.  In this case it was rushed thru and City of Boise Fire Department was not consulted.  Had they been, the scope probably would be significantly different.</p>
<p>Hopefully ACHD sets policy or enforces existing policy that projects of significant scope, even if related to Life Safety, have over-site to prevent them from being hidden from Commissioners or the taxpayers.</p>
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		By: Term Limits		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105636</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Term Limits]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2018 00:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clearly this was something planned and executed, but which got caught at the last moment.  If I did this at my workplace I&#039;d be arrested, charged with a crime, and incarcerated.  What will become of the crooks involved in this situation?  A pay raise? a new office park?

Term limits interferes with crimes of this nature.

I must also ask of the senior employee and several of his subordinates?  Is your loyalty to the taxpayer?  or to the commissioner?  Maybe you should pack your bag too.  You can&#039;t tell me you didn&#039;t know this was all bullshit from the start.

What does the ACHD info-babe have to say about this?  Obviously she has been able to get her legacy media friends to ignore it.  This she can remain silent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly this was something planned and executed, but which got caught at the last moment.  If I did this at my workplace I&#8217;d be arrested, charged with a crime, and incarcerated.  What will become of the crooks involved in this situation?  A pay raise? a new office park?</p>
<p>Term limits interferes with crimes of this nature.</p>
<p>I must also ask of the senior employee and several of his subordinates?  Is your loyalty to the taxpayer?  or to the commissioner?  Maybe you should pack your bag too.  You can&#8217;t tell me you didn&#8217;t know this was all bullshit from the start.</p>
<p>What does the ACHD info-babe have to say about this?  Obviously she has been able to get her legacy media friends to ignore it.  This she can remain silent.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Woods explanation is lame and inaccurate. Clancy is being a gentleman here. 

The commission did not &quot;take action to correct it&quot;.
Topic starts at time 1:49  https://achdidaho.civicweb.net/Portal/3912/MeetingArchives


1) The rude comment was before the Commission was made aware of the 25K. The main point here is the Commissioner&#039;s attitude toward public input.   If he really had &#039;frustration about the process&#039;, C Woods should have been welcoming Clancy&#039;s comment-- something more like, &quot;great! we need someone else to point out the problems here&quot;.  
But that was NOT the response. Not too mention &quot;J.C.&quot; in such a tone, is  offensive to many people-regardless of the reason- but apparently acceptable to Cmr. Baker. 

2) Secondly it was not corrected. 
The commission kicked the can down the road to another meeting- to CONSIDER vacating the street to be a private road up to Franklin. (maybe around Jesus Christ&#039;s birthday, when no one is paying attention). 
Does that solve the supposed &#039;safety issue&#039; for a heavy fire truck responding to Arnold&#039;s house fire? No.   
There is only ONE road access to those few houses.  

Previously, the Commission effectively condemned Alto Via Court homes (the houses sliding down the hill) when fire hydrants were closed and no trespassing signs were installed. 
An unsafe bridge for any users and particularly fire trucks????  That&#039;s a pickle!  Let&#039;s allow BFD to the Alto Via standard and apply it here.  Karma! 

The Commission has also previously denied applications to developments based on not having a secondary access.  
This could have solved when Dunham Dr and Maile Ln were installed. But, NO! Moore&#039;s Private Island must be important. Another double-standard.

3) If this all had not been recorded or brought to the attention of others this baby-bridge expense would slip on through along with the 25K already spent.  Much like other things in public govt-- it happens all the time.  It&#039;s only a few that get uncovered. 

More of the same:
-It&#039;s okay to shoot or beat an unarmed person- as long as it doesn&#039;t get recorded. 
-It&#039;s okay to hi-jack public funds- as long as it doesn&#039;t get noticed with a FOI Request. 

This topic is a molehill but reflects the mountains.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Woods explanation is lame and inaccurate. Clancy is being a gentleman here. </p>
<p>The commission did not &#8220;take action to correct it&#8221;.<br />
Topic starts at time 1:49  <a href="https://achdidaho.civicweb.net/Portal/3912/MeetingArchives" rel="nofollow ugc">https://achdidaho.civicweb.net/Portal/3912/MeetingArchives</a></p>
<p>1) The rude comment was before the Commission was made aware of the 25K. The main point here is the Commissioner&#8217;s attitude toward public input.   If he really had &#8216;frustration about the process&#8217;, C Woods should have been welcoming Clancy&#8217;s comment&#8211; something more like, &#8220;great! we need someone else to point out the problems here&#8221;.<br />
But that was NOT the response. Not too mention &#8220;J.C.&#8221; in such a tone, is  offensive to many people-regardless of the reason- but apparently acceptable to Cmr. Baker. </p>
<p>2) Secondly it was not corrected.<br />
The commission kicked the can down the road to another meeting- to CONSIDER vacating the street to be a private road up to Franklin. (maybe around Jesus Christ&#8217;s birthday, when no one is paying attention).<br />
Does that solve the supposed &#8216;safety issue&#8217; for a heavy fire truck responding to Arnold&#8217;s house fire? No.<br />
There is only ONE road access to those few houses.  </p>
<p>Previously, the Commission effectively condemned Alto Via Court homes (the houses sliding down the hill) when fire hydrants were closed and no trespassing signs were installed.<br />
An unsafe bridge for any users and particularly fire trucks????  That&#8217;s a pickle!  Let&#8217;s allow BFD to the Alto Via standard and apply it here.  Karma! </p>
<p>The Commission has also previously denied applications to developments based on not having a secondary access.<br />
This could have solved when Dunham Dr and Maile Ln were installed. But, NO! Moore&#8217;s Private Island must be important. Another double-standard.</p>
<p>3) If this all had not been recorded or brought to the attention of others this baby-bridge expense would slip on through along with the 25K already spent.  Much like other things in public govt&#8211; it happens all the time.  It&#8217;s only a few that get uncovered. </p>
<p>More of the same:<br />
-It&#8217;s okay to shoot or beat an unarmed person- as long as it doesn&#8217;t get recorded.<br />
-It&#8217;s okay to hi-jack public funds- as long as it doesn&#8217;t get noticed with a FOI Request. </p>
<p>This topic is a molehill but reflects the mountains.</p>
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		By: Pull Back the Curtain		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105634</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pull Back the Curtain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fix/Replace the Cloverdale overpass on an expedited basis! Preference of ACHD time should be to the whole not the few - good ol&#039; boy group. The year is 2018 and it seems more of this goes on today then in the past. At least $$$ figure wise to the few.  Just my opinion, I could be wrong. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fix/Replace the Cloverdale overpass on an expedited basis! Preference of ACHD time should be to the whole not the few &#8211; good ol&#8217; boy group. The year is 2018 and it seems more of this goes on today then in the past. At least $$$ figure wise to the few.  Just my opinion, I could be wrong. 🙂</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105633</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, almost forgot. Baker, when at city hall, was responsible for costing taxpayer $100s of thousands with that whole Curtis Road Extension fiasco.

How quickly people forget. 

For you newcomers, not that long ago Curtis Road and Veterans Parkway did not connect.  A proposal to connect them had been on the books for decades. When ACHD got around to doing it, neighborhood activism led by Sara Baker led to a compromise where the extended Curtis road was only 1 lane in each direction. 

The very week it opened it was a useless bottleneck and if I recall clearly, it cost $750,000 for a new design and widening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, almost forgot. Baker, when at city hall, was responsible for costing taxpayer $100s of thousands with that whole Curtis Road Extension fiasco.</p>
<p>How quickly people forget. </p>
<p>For you newcomers, not that long ago Curtis Road and Veterans Parkway did not connect.  A proposal to connect them had been on the books for decades. When ACHD got around to doing it, neighborhood activism led by Sara Baker led to a compromise where the extended Curtis road was only 1 lane in each direction. </p>
<p>The very week it opened it was a useless bottleneck and if I recall clearly, it cost $750,000 for a new design and widening.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re gonna hate me. I did a neighborhood grant request for 1 block of sidewalk, curb and gutter and it cost well over $150,000. You gonna muckrake me over the coals too? 

This is a witch hunt and a waste of time. Surely there are some real scandals to fret about?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re gonna hate me. I did a neighborhood grant request for 1 block of sidewalk, curb and gutter and it cost well over $150,000. You gonna muckrake me over the coals too? </p>
<p>This is a witch hunt and a waste of time. Surely there are some real scandals to fret about?</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/11/14/achd-commishes-defer-bridge-decision/#comment-105631</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure it was meant as an invocation. The ACHD definitely needs an intervention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure it was meant as an invocation. The ACHD definitely needs an intervention.</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Commissioner Woods,   Thanks for the apology and no harm done.  I totally agree with your explanation about the frustration with this issue.  And I was pleased with the commission&#039;s response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commissioner Woods,   Thanks for the apology and no harm done.  I totally agree with your explanation about the frustration with this issue.  And I was pleased with the commission&#8217;s response.</p>
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