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		By: Homeless		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/12/19/topics-for-discussion-lets-talk/#comment-105808</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Homeless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correction...

Some argue that homelessness is being strategically created by an increasingly authoritarian government. Here’s what the government (police state) gets by leaving lots of scary, desperate people on the streets.
– Keeps activists who might otherwise be WATCHING THEIR GOVERNMENT fully occupied with a massive and terrible humanitarian crisis.
– Scary people on the streets and their crimes of desperation makes the residents clamor for more police. (We could easily cut the police force in half if we housed the homeless)
– Scares the corporate slaves (workers) by showing them what happens to people who leave their McJobs.

EDITOR NOTE--Let&#039;s end this thread re homeless.  I want to leave open the other topics.  THANKS]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction&#8230;</p>
<p>Some argue that homelessness is being strategically created by an increasingly authoritarian government. Here’s what the government (police state) gets by leaving lots of scary, desperate people on the streets.<br />
– Keeps activists who might otherwise be WATCHING THEIR GOVERNMENT fully occupied with a massive and terrible humanitarian crisis.<br />
– Scary people on the streets and their crimes of desperation makes the residents clamor for more police. (We could easily cut the police force in half if we housed the homeless)<br />
– Scares the corporate slaves (workers) by showing them what happens to people who leave their McJobs.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Let&#8217;s end this thread re homeless.  I want to leave open the other topics.  THANKS</p>
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		By: Old Coots		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Coots]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Readers, see for yourself.  Google homeless and mental illness and addiction.  Read older articles before the PC police started to skew the professional findings.

Lots of new arrival professional social services people in Boise trying very hard to startup the same gig they had going on the left coast before it got too expensive and too dangerous for them to live there.  They bill and you pay.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers, see for yourself.  Google homeless and mental illness and addiction.  Read older articles before the PC police started to skew the professional findings.</p>
<p>Lots of new arrival professional social services people in Boise trying very hard to startup the same gig they had going on the left coast before it got too expensive and too dangerous for them to live there.  They bill and you pay.</p>
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		By: Homeless		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/12/19/topics-for-discussion-lets-talk/#comment-105800</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Homeless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2018 05:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Old Coots - It would take forever to refute your rediculous and totally inaccurate statements, so i find it safe and expedient to say that everything you said in your comments is incorrect.

Bike Boy - There is NO ONE homeless by choice. Another silly myth. People will avoid the shelters because they are stuffed in like sardines, and sleeping is near impossible with 100 people coughing, sneezing and snoring in one room. They also have frequent violence since too many people who have developed PTSD because of being homeless can’t take being in crowded situations. The mayor of Salt Lake City UT went out and lived as a homeless person for a few days to find out what it was really like. Quite interesting reading...

BTW... Leaving people homeless is approximately 6 times more expensive than just giving them food, shelter and basic preventative health care. (Studies done in other countries) When you add up the costs of cops, emergency room visits, aid programs, crime, etc.

Some argue that homelessness is being strategically created by an increasingly authoritarian government. Here’s what the government (police state) gets by leaving lots of scary, desperate people on the streets.

- Keeps activists who might otherwise be  fully occupied with a massive and terrible humanitarian crisis.

- Scary people on the streets and their crimes of desperation makes the residents clamor for more police. (We could easily cut the police force in half if we housed the homeless)

- Scares the corporate slaves (workers) by showing them what happens to people who leave their McJobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Coots &#8211; It would take forever to refute your rediculous and totally inaccurate statements, so i find it safe and expedient to say that everything you said in your comments is incorrect.</p>
<p>Bike Boy &#8211; There is NO ONE homeless by choice. Another silly myth. People will avoid the shelters because they are stuffed in like sardines, and sleeping is near impossible with 100 people coughing, sneezing and snoring in one room. They also have frequent violence since too many people who have developed PTSD because of being homeless can’t take being in crowded situations. The mayor of Salt Lake City UT went out and lived as a homeless person for a few days to find out what it was really like. Quite interesting reading&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW&#8230; Leaving people homeless is approximately 6 times more expensive than just giving them food, shelter and basic preventative health care. (Studies done in other countries) When you add up the costs of cops, emergency room visits, aid programs, crime, etc.</p>
<p>Some argue that homelessness is being strategically created by an increasingly authoritarian government. Here’s what the government (police state) gets by leaving lots of scary, desperate people on the streets.</p>
<p>&#8211; Keeps activists who might otherwise be  fully occupied with a massive and terrible humanitarian crisis.</p>
<p>&#8211; Scary people on the streets and their crimes of desperation makes the residents clamor for more police. (We could easily cut the police force in half if we housed the homeless)</p>
<p>&#8211; Scares the corporate slaves (workers) by showing them what happens to people who leave their McJobs.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/12/19/topics-for-discussion-lets-talk/#comment-105789</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Homelessness is not some sort of romantic adventure with a stick and a bundle tied to it, it is a life threatening emergency.&quot;

For some poor unfortunates, I&#039;m sure it is indeed a &quot;life threatening [and ideally temporary] emergency.&quot;

For those people, especially FAMILY people(!), I&#039;m totally on board with taxpayer assistance.  To coin an overused cliché, &quot;Let&#039;s give them a HAND UP - not a handout!&quot;

However, nobody will convince me that among the chronic homeless (victims of mental illness, addicts and substance abusers, etc.) there aren&#039;t also some &quot;homeless by choice&quot; citizens, who have grown accustomed to a life with no responsibilities.  And they are not only fleecing the taxpayers and well-meaning kind-hearted strangers who hand &#039;em some cash thru the car window, but are also diluting the resources that SHOULD be going to those who are not homeless-by-choice.

How do we distinguish between the sheep and the goats?  Especially the goats from out of town?  (&quot;Homeless&quot; has not persuaded me that we don&#039;t have some in our midst.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Homelessness is not some sort of romantic adventure with a stick and a bundle tied to it, it is a life threatening emergency.&#8221;</p>
<p>For some poor unfortunates, I&#8217;m sure it is indeed a &#8220;life threatening [and ideally temporary] emergency.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those people, especially FAMILY people(!), I&#8217;m totally on board with taxpayer assistance.  To coin an overused cliché, &#8220;Let&#8217;s give them a HAND UP &#8211; not a handout!&#8221;</p>
<p>However, nobody will convince me that among the chronic homeless (victims of mental illness, addicts and substance abusers, etc.) there aren&#8217;t also some &#8220;homeless by choice&#8221; citizens, who have grown accustomed to a life with no responsibilities.  And they are not only fleecing the taxpayers and well-meaning kind-hearted strangers who hand &#8217;em some cash thru the car window, but are also diluting the resources that SHOULD be going to those who are not homeless-by-choice.</p>
<p>How do we distinguish between the sheep and the goats?  Especially the goats from out of town?  (&#8220;Homeless&#8221; has not persuaded me that we don&#8217;t have some in our midst.)</p>
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		By: Caeth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do low speed off ramp only, require less ROW. Do U turn lights at Emerson and Camas. Over the next two years the ACHD plan has Cloverdale at 5 lanes from Overland to Chinden. Start planning for a Joplin/Cloverdale extension to Hwy 44 at Edgewood. Way in the future, Cloverdale could be extended South all the way to the Snake R., making it the longest North/South route without a jog in the valley. Now think about a jogless, river to river, East/West route, Ustick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do low speed off ramp only, require less ROW. Do U turn lights at Emerson and Camas. Over the next two years the ACHD plan has Cloverdale at 5 lanes from Overland to Chinden. Start planning for a Joplin/Cloverdale extension to Hwy 44 at Edgewood. Way in the future, Cloverdale could be extended South all the way to the Snake R., making it the longest North/South route without a jog in the valley. Now think about a jogless, river to river, East/West route, Ustick.</p>
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		By: E.B. Schofield		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/12/19/topics-for-discussion-lets-talk/#comment-105786</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.B. Schofield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 18:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I completely agree with Dave Kangas regarding it is time the system is revised to include City Council Member representation by district. Since the current elected officials continue to push for Boise to be a &quot;Big City&quot;, should they not also consider doing what other big cities do, such as:
1. Council elections by district so all areas of the City are equally and fairly represented.
2. Make the position full-time so they can be more fully informed and directly involved with the decisions that are being made at the staff level.
3. Term limits?
4. Adopt a requirement that City Council Agendas be posted in full a minimum of one week in advance of the scheduled meeting, versus the Friday prior which has been the case lately, which does not provide sufficient time for the citizens to be aware of and respond to issues that impact everyone.
5. Ensure that the various volunteer boards and committees, such as the Parks Dept., DIFAC, etc. have equal representation across all sections of the city using the Planning Areas of the Comprehensive Plan or by the Service Areas used for impact fee collection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Dave Kangas regarding it is time the system is revised to include City Council Member representation by district. Since the current elected officials continue to push for Boise to be a &#8220;Big City&#8221;, should they not also consider doing what other big cities do, such as:<br />
1. Council elections by district so all areas of the City are equally and fairly represented.<br />
2. Make the position full-time so they can be more fully informed and directly involved with the decisions that are being made at the staff level.<br />
3. Term limits?<br />
4. Adopt a requirement that City Council Agendas be posted in full a minimum of one week in advance of the scheduled meeting, versus the Friday prior which has been the case lately, which does not provide sufficient time for the citizens to be aware of and respond to issues that impact everyone.<br />
5. Ensure that the various volunteer boards and committees, such as the Parks Dept., DIFAC, etc. have equal representation across all sections of the city using the Planning Areas of the Comprehensive Plan or by the Service Areas used for impact fee collection.</p>
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		By: Inna		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/12/19/topics-for-discussion-lets-talk/#comment-105785</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 17:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Editor, I think Homelessness in Boise is a great topic for discussion. Surely Boise Mayor Bieter can give a personal example of being &quot;Boise kind&quot; to the homeless. Oh wait, the city&#039;s lawyers are actually appealing the court ruling that sided with the homeless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Editor, I think Homelessness in Boise is a great topic for discussion. Surely Boise Mayor Bieter can give a personal example of being &#8220;Boise kind&#8221; to the homeless. Oh wait, the city&#8217;s lawyers are actually appealing the court ruling that sided with the homeless.</p>
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		By: E.B. Schofield		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.B. Schofield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 17:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spending $80-100 million or more of public monies on any project, without a vote by the citizens, simply does not represent the people - which is what the Council Members and Mayor are elected to do.


Private Message To Editor Dave:
Thank you Dave for being a thought driver and providing a forum for discussion. You are appreciated!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spending $80-100 million or more of public monies on any project, without a vote by the citizens, simply does not represent the people &#8211; which is what the Council Members and Mayor are elected to do.</p>
<p>Private Message To Editor Dave:<br />
Thank you Dave for being a thought driver and providing a forum for discussion. You are appreciated!</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 16:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I mean No disrespect! 
We are preaching to the choir. Where&#039;s Norma Rae?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean No disrespect!<br />
We are preaching to the choir. Where&#8217;s Norma Rae?</p>
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		By: Old Coots		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2018/12/19/topics-for-discussion-lets-talk/#comment-105782</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Coots]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2018 06:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Google homeless and mental illness.

Read older articles before the PC police started to impact the professional findings.

Mental illness and addiction numbers are huge for homeless.  It is why they are homeless not the other way around.

Yes, it is absolutely a government problem.  One that goes way beyond renting or building an unsupervised home for them.  That&#039;s a just a shortsighted scam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google homeless and mental illness.</p>
<p>Read older articles before the PC police started to impact the professional findings.</p>
<p>Mental illness and addiction numbers are huge for homeless.  It is why they are homeless not the other way around.</p>
<p>Yes, it is absolutely a government problem.  One that goes way beyond renting or building an unsupervised home for them.  That&#8217;s a just a shortsighted scam.</p>
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