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		By: Eamonn Harter		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/05/22/growthophobes-surface-at-the-polls/#comment-106431</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eamonn Harter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2019 17:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For a little bit of good news this Friday, Willowbrook Development is withdrawing their application to develop 1,500 acres and 3,000 houses in Star.  I predict we will hear more stories just like this as Housing Bubble 2.0 pops.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/company-backs-out-of-major-star-housing-development-project/277-0f303726-ca40-4d44-9d92-08607fdefa4a]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a little bit of good news this Friday, Willowbrook Development is withdrawing their application to develop 1,500 acres and 3,000 houses in Star.  I predict we will hear more stories just like this as Housing Bubble 2.0 pops.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/company-backs-out-of-major-star-housing-development-project/277-0f303726-ca40-4d44-9d92-08607fdefa4a" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/company-backs-out-of-major-star-housing-development-project/277-0f303726-ca40-4d44-9d92-08607fdefa4a</a></p>
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		By: Poe		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/05/22/growthophobes-surface-at-the-polls/#comment-106429</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Poe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2019 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just read &quot;Popular Boise Facebook Group Bans Anti-California Content&quot; on another site. Well I&#039;ve got a couple of questions for the Growthophobes. When things get really bad in the greater Boise area how will you know it&#039;s gone to far for you? Where I live in southern California, my 2nd amendment right has been taken away. I don&#039;t feel like my politicians represent me anymore. I feel over taxed and I don&#039;t qualify for any government programs. There are constant break-ins where I work. Too many laws, fees, and regulations to be competitive. Housing is 2-3 times the cost of what Boise offers. Half of our customers don&#039;t even speak English. You can&#039;t leave any doors unlocked or it will be your fault why someone else stole something from you. 
Is this a good reason to leave the place where you were born? 
If you do leave, do you realize you will then be part of the new growth?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read &#8220;Popular Boise Facebook Group Bans Anti-California Content&#8221; on another site. Well I&#8217;ve got a couple of questions for the Growthophobes. When things get really bad in the greater Boise area how will you know it&#8217;s gone to far for you? Where I live in southern California, my 2nd amendment right has been taken away. I don&#8217;t feel like my politicians represent me anymore. I feel over taxed and I don&#8217;t qualify for any government programs. There are constant break-ins where I work. Too many laws, fees, and regulations to be competitive. Housing is 2-3 times the cost of what Boise offers. Half of our customers don&#8217;t even speak English. You can&#8217;t leave any doors unlocked or it will be your fault why someone else stole something from you.<br />
Is this a good reason to leave the place where you were born?<br />
If you do leave, do you realize you will then be part of the new growth?</p>
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		By: Clancy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/05/22/growthophobes-surface-at-the-polls/#comment-106425</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 21:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is best explanation of the problem.   &quot;For years we have lamented having an economy based on growth. Like a cake walk, when the music stops someone will be the loser.&quot; -BG]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is best explanation of the problem.   &#8220;For years we have lamented having an economy based on growth. Like a cake walk, when the music stops someone will be the loser.&#8221; -BG</p>
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		By: Paul 46		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul 46]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 19:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The jail bond failed for several reasons in my mind:
1. Too big and too expensive
3. Is designed as a maximum security prison v. a jail.  Ratio of 93% cells and 7% dorm beds
4. Jail should be on the current courthouse campus not out of town on the Notus Hwy.
5. They didn&#039;t seek more than one option for jail needs. DLR was the be all and end all in options and we all know there are many ways to solve any problem.  
6. The Sheriff and Commissioners didn&#039;t bring those in opposition to a new jail to the table to discuss various options.  AND they even ignored options presented to them from the CCCC group.

Lastly, they once again proved it takes no talent to spend other peoples money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jail bond failed for several reasons in my mind:<br />
1. Too big and too expensive<br />
3. Is designed as a maximum security prison v. a jail.  Ratio of 93% cells and 7% dorm beds<br />
4. Jail should be on the current courthouse campus not out of town on the Notus Hwy.<br />
5. They didn&#8217;t seek more than one option for jail needs. DLR was the be all and end all in options and we all know there are many ways to solve any problem.<br />
6. The Sheriff and Commissioners didn&#8217;t bring those in opposition to a new jail to the table to discuss various options.  AND they even ignored options presented to them from the CCCC group.</p>
<p>Lastly, they once again proved it takes no talent to spend other peoples money.</p>
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		By: Eamonn Harter		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/05/22/growthophobes-surface-at-the-polls/#comment-106423</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eamonn Harter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 19:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boise Dev did an interesting piece on a Brookings Institute study which looked in depth at Boise&#039;s economy along with several other high growth cities in the U.S.  Most of the growth in recent years has come from service-related businesses (health care, hospitality, government) and not from tradeable goods production which brings in income from outside of the area.  The &quot;prime movers&quot; of the Boise economy like Micron and HP-Boise employ a fraction of the number of people they have in the past; HP-Boise is down to less than 1,500 and Micron at 6,000.  Boise risks dis-investment as these companies shrink and no new production business are started or move in.

What this boils down to is we can only employ so many lawyers, waiters, realtors, landscapers, nurses, and bureaucrats (which only circulate funds within the local area) before we experience a decline in general prosperity and economic complexity.  There are a few things that are concerning in the report like a rise in poverty from 2007-2017 and a 6.3% decline in aggregate earnings despite a rise in population.

My opinion is that the growth we have experienced has aspects of a Ponzi-scheme built on debt which enriches only a few and is not sustainable over the long term.  For example, land developers make a one time windfall on a building project and then they have to continue to develop or else they go out of business.  There are limits to this.  Compare this to an industrial manufacturer which may build a plant and provide jobs and generate income and tax revenue for decades.  This Ponzi growth may come to a screeching halt after the boom ends and people leave the area for employment elsewhere.

EDITOR NOTE--For years we have lamented having an economy based on growth.  Like a cake walk, when the music stops someone will be the loser.

https://boisedev.com/news/2019/05/21/boise-brookings-growth-change/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boise Dev did an interesting piece on a Brookings Institute study which looked in depth at Boise&#8217;s economy along with several other high growth cities in the U.S.  Most of the growth in recent years has come from service-related businesses (health care, hospitality, government) and not from tradeable goods production which brings in income from outside of the area.  The &#8220;prime movers&#8221; of the Boise economy like Micron and HP-Boise employ a fraction of the number of people they have in the past; HP-Boise is down to less than 1,500 and Micron at 6,000.  Boise risks dis-investment as these companies shrink and no new production business are started or move in.</p>
<p>What this boils down to is we can only employ so many lawyers, waiters, realtors, landscapers, nurses, and bureaucrats (which only circulate funds within the local area) before we experience a decline in general prosperity and economic complexity.  There are a few things that are concerning in the report like a rise in poverty from 2007-2017 and a 6.3% decline in aggregate earnings despite a rise in population.</p>
<p>My opinion is that the growth we have experienced has aspects of a Ponzi-scheme built on debt which enriches only a few and is not sustainable over the long term.  For example, land developers make a one time windfall on a building project and then they have to continue to develop or else they go out of business.  There are limits to this.  Compare this to an industrial manufacturer which may build a plant and provide jobs and generate income and tax revenue for decades.  This Ponzi growth may come to a screeching halt after the boom ends and people leave the area for employment elsewhere.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;For years we have lamented having an economy based on growth.  Like a cake walk, when the music stops someone will be the loser.</p>
<p><a href="https://boisedev.com/news/2019/05/21/boise-brookings-growth-change/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://boisedev.com/news/2019/05/21/boise-brookings-growth-change/</a></p>
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		By: Forced Air		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forced Air]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I totally concur. Canyon County voters still understand the Framers&#039; intent. They detected the extra markup for a shiny bauble and rejected it. They DO need improvements for their jail. They DON&#039;T need a &quot;F-35&quot; like solution. 

I surely hope that Ada voters smell the rat of expansionist gravy train addicts in our City Council agenda. This city has plenty of growth generating value in its own right. It does NOT need artificial means to grow faster. Team Dave is trying to build a Lefty voting base to supplant Idaho pragmatism. They want a Portland right here and now.

This goes way beyond greasing palms and short term profits. This is about individual freedom being threatened. Go read today&#039;s headlines about China&#039;s Social Control System. If you don&#039;t think that is headed for US, then you are fooling yourself. Team Dave et al will be more than happy to invite such a system, in the form of Facebook and Twitter platforms, geared toward promoting THEIR policies. Be Nice will be their mantra. Be Nice just means don&#039;t oppose City Hall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally concur. Canyon County voters still understand the Framers&#8217; intent. They detected the extra markup for a shiny bauble and rejected it. They DO need improvements for their jail. They DON&#8217;T need a &#8220;F-35&#8221; like solution. </p>
<p>I surely hope that Ada voters smell the rat of expansionist gravy train addicts in our City Council agenda. This city has plenty of growth generating value in its own right. It does NOT need artificial means to grow faster. Team Dave is trying to build a Lefty voting base to supplant Idaho pragmatism. They want a Portland right here and now.</p>
<p>This goes way beyond greasing palms and short term profits. This is about individual freedom being threatened. Go read today&#8217;s headlines about China&#8217;s Social Control System. If you don&#8217;t think that is headed for US, then you are fooling yourself. Team Dave et al will be more than happy to invite such a system, in the form of Facebook and Twitter platforms, geared toward promoting THEIR policies. Be Nice will be their mantra. Be Nice just means don&#8217;t oppose City Hall.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 18:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We, the voters of 2C, are sick and tired of jail mismanagement and the Sheriff / Commishes who treat us with contempt and an open pocket book. 

If you attended one of the open houses you were treated with contempt and arrogance on their part and neither Tom Dale or Pam White (from Nampa) could be bothered to to attend the open house in Nampa. 

Seniors and others on fixed incomes who know their property tax burden was going to increase were essentially ignored. 2C residents already have the highest taxes in Idaho and now they want more.

With the new jail it will also be further for a Nampa city officer to drive for an arrested individual thus adding a burden to the city for overtime and vehicle maintenance, etc. 

Last I heard from Sheriff Donahue was his jail is at 75-80% capacity and considers that overcrowded, but you have lots of open space for a dayroom. It&#039;s Jail, not a retirement home, well maybe for politicians, but I digress. Oh and stop locking people up because you are mad at them, or they offended your entitled sense of well, whatever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, the voters of 2C, are sick and tired of jail mismanagement and the Sheriff / Commishes who treat us with contempt and an open pocket book. </p>
<p>If you attended one of the open houses you were treated with contempt and arrogance on their part and neither Tom Dale or Pam White (from Nampa) could be bothered to to attend the open house in Nampa. </p>
<p>Seniors and others on fixed incomes who know their property tax burden was going to increase were essentially ignored. 2C residents already have the highest taxes in Idaho and now they want more.</p>
<p>With the new jail it will also be further for a Nampa city officer to drive for an arrested individual thus adding a burden to the city for overtime and vehicle maintenance, etc. </p>
<p>Last I heard from Sheriff Donahue was his jail is at 75-80% capacity and considers that overcrowded, but you have lots of open space for a dayroom. It&#8217;s Jail, not a retirement home, well maybe for politicians, but I digress. Oh and stop locking people up because you are mad at them, or they offended your entitled sense of well, whatever.</p>
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		By: Inna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 17:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Near me the farmland turned into a field of apartment complexes, a field of  greenbacks for unknown to us investors. New residents park on the side of the road, like in New York!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Near me the farmland turned into a field of apartment complexes, a field of  greenbacks for unknown to us investors. New residents park on the side of the road, like in New York!</p>
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		By: Boisean Since Forever		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boisean Since Forever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really pretty simple.  More growth pushes real estate values higher, increasing tax revenue without &quot;raising taxes.&quot;  More people require more (newer) schools, jails, libraries, public transit, and high-paid consultants.  Everything on the local leaders&#039; wish lists is now a necessity, and by golly, they knew best all along, didn&#039;t they?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really pretty simple.  More growth pushes real estate values higher, increasing tax revenue without &#8220;raising taxes.&#8221;  More people require more (newer) schools, jails, libraries, public transit, and high-paid consultants.  Everything on the local leaders&#8217; wish lists is now a necessity, and by golly, they knew best all along, didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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