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		By: DogGone It		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106621</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DogGone It]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More Confusing - And More Expensive

Check out this item on the July 9th Council meeting:  http://boisecityid.iqm2.com/Citizens/Detail_LegiFile.aspx?Frame=&#038;MeetingID=3355&#038;MediaPosition=&#038;ID=12447&#038;CssClass=.

The original contract was for $20K - under the limit for open and advertised bidding. It has since ballooned to over 10 times that amount, well beyond the statutory limit for, at the minimum, and Informal Bid. No Department in the City would have been allowed to skirt the law like this. Once again, the Mayor&#039;s office plays by its own rules, legality be damned. But Council can&#039;t claim they didn&#039;t know about this one...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Confusing &#8211; And More Expensive</p>
<p>Check out this item on the July 9th Council meeting:  <a href="http://boisecityid.iqm2.com/Citizens/Detail_LegiFile.aspx?Frame=&#038;MeetingID=3355&#038;MediaPosition=&#038;ID=12447&#038;CssClass=" rel="nofollow ugc">http://boisecityid.iqm2.com/Citizens/Detail_LegiFile.aspx?Frame=&#038;MeetingID=3355&#038;MediaPosition=&#038;ID=12447&#038;CssClass=</a>.</p>
<p>The original contract was for $20K &#8211; under the limit for open and advertised bidding. It has since ballooned to over 10 times that amount, well beyond the statutory limit for, at the minimum, and Informal Bid. No Department in the City would have been allowed to skirt the law like this. Once again, the Mayor&#8217;s office plays by its own rules, legality be damned. But Council can&#8217;t claim they didn&#8217;t know about this one&#8230;</p>
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		By: Out Of Their League		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106586</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Out Of Their League]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the City became totally &quot;Wowed&quot; by Safdie&#039;s interview, did anyone at City Hall do one simple mathematical calculation:

Take the $84 million in voter approved bond money that Salt Lake City determined they needed for their 2003 Safdie design (nearly identical to Boise&#039;s) and plug that amount into an online inflation calculator?

It comes up with a cost of $114,635,804 in 2018 dollars.

That would have been a simple test to understand that this groups product was way, way, way out of their league, due to the fact that the City had a $65 million budget during the interview vetting process.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the City became totally &#8220;Wowed&#8221; by Safdie&#8217;s interview, did anyone at City Hall do one simple mathematical calculation:</p>
<p>Take the $84 million in voter approved bond money that Salt Lake City determined they needed for their 2003 Safdie design (nearly identical to Boise&#8217;s) and plug that amount into an online inflation calculator?</p>
<p>It comes up with a cost of $114,635,804 in 2018 dollars.</p>
<p>That would have been a simple test to understand that this groups product was way, way, way out of their league, due to the fact that the City had a $65 million budget during the interview vetting process.</p>
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		By: A Vote To Approve Spending		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106566</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Vote To Approve Spending]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2019 22:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skirting the majority of the publics involvement has been the process so far. 

Citizens can not directly put a project up for vote, so the petition was not a direct vote for the current proposed projects. The citizens could not convince the City to take that direct action, as most cities do when major expenditure of public funds are involved.

This left the only choice of a petition to have a vote this fall, that would then set a City Ordinance (law) which requires the City to conduct a citizen vote for any type of a library project costing $25 million or more, and any type of a sports stadium project to cost $5 million or more, both with public monies.

This vote will be on the ballot this fall, and so will the Mayor and 3 Council Member seats! What the City chooses to do between now and then is going to be interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skirting the majority of the publics involvement has been the process so far. </p>
<p>Citizens can not directly put a project up for vote, so the petition was not a direct vote for the current proposed projects. The citizens could not convince the City to take that direct action, as most cities do when major expenditure of public funds are involved.</p>
<p>This left the only choice of a petition to have a vote this fall, that would then set a City Ordinance (law) which requires the City to conduct a citizen vote for any type of a library project costing $25 million or more, and any type of a sports stadium project to cost $5 million or more, both with public monies.</p>
<p>This vote will be on the ballot this fall, and so will the Mayor and 3 Council Member seats! What the City chooses to do between now and then is going to be interesting.</p>
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		By: Las Vegas Rebel		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106562</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Las Vegas Rebel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So I am confused. I thought that we were going to have a vote as to weather to build the library or not.  Now dingle Dave has scraped together $50 million together to pay for the library and the rest just comes from wherever.  So does the vote then mean nothing?  If the citizens vote no does the library still get built because he came up with the majority of the cash?  It seems like he is trying to do an end around because I think he knows it may get voted down.  Is this the case?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I am confused. I thought that we were going to have a vote as to weather to build the library or not.  Now dingle Dave has scraped together $50 million together to pay for the library and the rest just comes from wherever.  So does the vote then mean nothing?  If the citizens vote no does the library still get built because he came up with the majority of the cash?  It seems like he is trying to do an end around because I think he knows it may get voted down.  Is this the case?</p>
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		By: Magic!		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106556</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magic!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Watched the June 25 Budget Work Session by video today - says the operating costs for the library are preliminary numbers of a little under $2 million. It must be magic that the City can increase annual operation costs but not also have this increase taxes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched the June 25 Budget Work Session by video today &#8211; says the operating costs for the library are preliminary numbers of a little under $2 million. It must be magic that the City can increase annual operation costs but not also have this increase taxes.</p>
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		By: western guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106555</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[western guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Water Renewal&quot; is the new term for &#039;sewage treatment plant&#039;.

How special.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Water Renewal&#8221; is the new term for &#8216;sewage treatment plant&#8217;.</p>
<p>How special.</p>
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		By: western guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106554</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[western guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are being lied to.  We are being BS&#039;ed to.  When will the uprising take place?  When will the $85 million project actually turn out to be $125 million?  Remember, architects normally receive 7-10% of the total building cost as their commission.

Keep watching...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are being lied to.  We are being BS&#8217;ed to.  When will the uprising take place?  When will the $85 million project actually turn out to be $125 million?  Remember, architects normally receive 7-10% of the total building cost as their commission.</p>
<p>Keep watching&#8230;</p>
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		By: Confusion &#38; Unknown Costs		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106550</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Confusion &#38; Unknown Costs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The library brochure that was on the table with the City council Agends says, &quot;Project will not result in an increase in city taxes&quot; - just as the main library page has said.

Unless not one single additional employee will be needed to staff a significantly larger facility, this continues to be a misrepresentation of the impact. And the City&#039;s own FY 2020 budget says,

Potential operating costs associated with the Main Library project, budgeted in FY 2019, are still being evaluated. 

Without knowing what the operating costs will be, how can the City truthfully say this project will not increase taxes. The library project study conducted in 2000 shows the costs for operations as,  &quot;total additional costs over the current costs&quot; as $2,656,785. And that was without an expensive book robot that can run around $1 million a year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The library brochure that was on the table with the City council Agends says, &#8220;Project will not result in an increase in city taxes&#8221; &#8211; just as the main library page has said.</p>
<p>Unless not one single additional employee will be needed to staff a significantly larger facility, this continues to be a misrepresentation of the impact. And the City&#8217;s own FY 2020 budget says,</p>
<p>Potential operating costs associated with the Main Library project, budgeted in FY 2019, are still being evaluated. </p>
<p>Without knowing what the operating costs will be, how can the City truthfully say this project will not increase taxes. The library project study conducted in 2000 shows the costs for operations as,  &#8220;total additional costs over the current costs&#8221; as $2,656,785. And that was without an expensive book robot that can run around $1 million a year.</p>
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		By: Increase		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106549</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Increase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Western Guy is a good predictor - the FY 2020 budget shows the Water Renewal division is requesting a customer rate increase of 5% for year 2020. The word &quot;increase&quot; comes up 59 times in the budget.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Western Guy is a good predictor &#8211; the FY 2020 budget shows the Water Renewal division is requesting a customer rate increase of 5% for year 2020. The word &#8220;increase&#8221; comes up 59 times in the budget.</p>
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		By: western guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/06/26/library-issue-gets-even-more-confusing/#comment-106548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[western guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 03:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a many-decade budget professional, I see how the City &#039;leaders&#039; are doing a &#039;buffet style&#039; approach to scraping up cash:  a little bit here, a little bit there.

They are going to save $$ by not purchasing vehicles?  Hah!  Have you seen a white Boise City vehicle that&#039;s more than 2 years old?

Do they charge the airport for the central services provided (HR, accounting, etc.)?  There&#039;s some $$.  Do they charge the other agencies that generate their own revenue?

When will sewer rates go through the roof?  Franchise fees charged to cable TV and utilities (which will get passed on to the citizens)?  

There are a dozen more ways for the city to tap us directly or indirectly.  Watch it happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a many-decade budget professional, I see how the City &#8216;leaders&#8217; are doing a &#8216;buffet style&#8217; approach to scraping up cash:  a little bit here, a little bit there.</p>
<p>They are going to save $$ by not purchasing vehicles?  Hah!  Have you seen a white Boise City vehicle that&#8217;s more than 2 years old?</p>
<p>Do they charge the airport for the central services provided (HR, accounting, etc.)?  There&#8217;s some $$.  Do they charge the other agencies that generate their own revenue?</p>
<p>When will sewer rates go through the roof?  Franchise fees charged to cable TV and utilities (which will get passed on to the citizens)?  </p>
<p>There are a dozen more ways for the city to tap us directly or indirectly.  Watch it happen.</p>
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