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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106943</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2019 19:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I second JDB,&#039;s point of seeing Wendy Olsen&#039;s response for the city.  

I don&#039;t understand how BWT on July 31st submits a complaint letter for the error, and on THE SAME DAY the city responds, from a third-party representative; no city operates that quickly on normal course.
The appropriate place for that letter display is at BWT&#039;s site- I see nothing on their online sites. 

A much better explanation is in our daily mainstream media
https://www.kivitv.com/news/boise-voter-pamphlet-contains-incorrect-information-due-to-timing
  https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/boise-voter-pamphlet-has-inaccurate-information-due-to-deadline/article_84be69c4-7e38-57a3-a601-9ebf72813862.html?fbclid=IwAR16WjO20TJBbH7lCsTSQKFttIlhpydLYmnL96vpYYy7dMEjoRpcSNL_b4o

Bad, but not deception,,,, or worthy of the impression of some of the above comments. 
The foul is the City publishing this thing at all- not necessary (unless bound by some archaic law). 

  And certainly the discrepancy should  not be confusing to anyone paying attention to the issue. It&#039;s been 9 months!!!! 

I do find it interesting the two opposing camps have significant leadership by two &#039;Boise matriarchs&#039;- it&#039;s like &#039;grandma&#039;s political power in play&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second JDB,&#8217;s point of seeing Wendy Olsen&#8217;s response for the city.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how BWT on July 31st submits a complaint letter for the error, and on THE SAME DAY the city responds, from a third-party representative; no city operates that quickly on normal course.<br />
The appropriate place for that letter display is at BWT&#8217;s site- I see nothing on their online sites. </p>
<p>A much better explanation is in our daily mainstream media<br />
<a href="https://www.kivitv.com/news/boise-voter-pamphlet-contains-incorrect-information-due-to-timing" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.kivitv.com/news/boise-voter-pamphlet-contains-incorrect-information-due-to-timing</a><br />
  <a href="https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/boise-voter-pamphlet-has-inaccurate-information-due-to-deadline/article_84be69c4-7e38-57a3-a601-9ebf72813862.html?fbclid=IwAR16WjO20TJBbH7lCsTSQKFttIlhpydLYmnL96vpYYy7dMEjoRpcSNL_b4o" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/boise-voter-pamphlet-has-inaccurate-information-due-to-deadline/article_84be69c4-7e38-57a3-a601-9ebf72813862.html?fbclid=IwAR16WjO20TJBbH7lCsTSQKFttIlhpydLYmnL96vpYYy7dMEjoRpcSNL_b4o</a></p>
<p>Bad, but not deception,,,, or worthy of the impression of some of the above comments.<br />
The foul is the City publishing this thing at all- not necessary (unless bound by some archaic law). </p>
<p>  And certainly the discrepancy should  not be confusing to anyone paying attention to the issue. It&#8217;s been 9 months!!!! </p>
<p>I do find it interesting the two opposing camps have significant leadership by two &#8216;Boise matriarchs&#8217;- it&#8217;s like &#8216;grandma&#8217;s political power in play&#8217;.</p>
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		By: western guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106942</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[western guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So where is the Boise City Clerk? Nary a word from her.  Her spokespersons appear to be a Deputy City Clerk and a hired gun attorney.  Possibly the City Clerk is hiding in her City Hall office?  The secret facial recognition software program will identify her at dome point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where is the Boise City Clerk? Nary a word from her.  Her spokespersons appear to be a Deputy City Clerk and a hired gun attorney.  Possibly the City Clerk is hiding in her City Hall office?  The secret facial recognition software program will identify her at dome point.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106941</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are Geoff Wardle and Joshua Leonard the Developers for the stadium ? City Clerk should have labeled them for clarity sake. Oh Devious Dave and the Master Bieters Rate their record?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are Geoff Wardle and Joshua Leonard the Developers for the stadium ? City Clerk should have labeled them for clarity sake. Oh Devious Dave and the Master Bieters Rate their record?</p>
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		By: Forced Air		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forced Air]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I received my copy of the City pamphlet, I saw the no means yes, yes means no language and waited until The Guardian posted clarifications, just in case the &quot;What your vote will do&quot; descriptions were not accurate. I will be voting YES on both issues. 

I will also be looking for the so-called &quot;special question&quot; that the pamphlet claims will be on the ballot. Prepare to take them to task if this is another lie. I&#039;ll believe what I see or don&#039;t see. I put nothing past bureaucrats these day. 

Easterner- I used to be a big proponent of initiatives that provide direct democracy, but in light of how EASY it is to manipulate mob mentalities and Call Out Cultures to push anti-freedom agendas, I will withhold my support for such contraptions. Witness how easy it is for mobs to be activated to claim simple things like the Okay sign and Bowl haircuts as &quot;hate&quot; symbols. I don&#039;t want to live in a world like that. Initiatives informed by bully tactics and peer pressures are how 1917 Commie Revolutions happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I received my copy of the City pamphlet, I saw the no means yes, yes means no language and waited until The Guardian posted clarifications, just in case the &#8220;What your vote will do&#8221; descriptions were not accurate. I will be voting YES on both issues. </p>
<p>I will also be looking for the so-called &#8220;special question&#8221; that the pamphlet claims will be on the ballot. Prepare to take them to task if this is another lie. I&#8217;ll believe what I see or don&#8217;t see. I put nothing past bureaucrats these day. </p>
<p>Easterner- I used to be a big proponent of initiatives that provide direct democracy, but in light of how EASY it is to manipulate mob mentalities and Call Out Cultures to push anti-freedom agendas, I will withhold my support for such contraptions. Witness how easy it is for mobs to be activated to claim simple things like the Okay sign and Bowl haircuts as &#8220;hate&#8221; symbols. I don&#8217;t want to live in a world like that. Initiatives informed by bully tactics and peer pressures are how 1917 Commie Revolutions happen.</p>
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		By: rabula		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106939</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2019 04:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The city could and should have added a note to the pamphlet as it has in the online edition of the voter guide:

&#039;Please note: The arguments below reference a &quot;special question&quot; measure being placed on the November ballot by the city. This &quot;special question&quot; measure will NOT appear on the November ballot.&#039;

This is yet another sign of the ineptitude at city hall. It&#039;s the ol&#039; chicken-or-egg conundrum: Is the high rate of turnover, especially in the legal department, the cause or effect of the increasing failures of city leadership to know how the law works in an open society.

It&#039;s ironic that the LIBRARY!s Foundation, of ALL organizations, is party to such deception. Unfortunately, it&#039;s the way the whole project has been handled. The proposed design is a lot of WOW — brash, flashy spaces, wasted energy, disregard for local landmarks — wrapped around a needed modest library expansion—and obfuscation of the true costs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city could and should have added a note to the pamphlet as it has in the online edition of the voter guide:</p>
<p>&#8216;Please note: The arguments below reference a &#8220;special question&#8221; measure being placed on the November ballot by the city. This &#8220;special question&#8221; measure will NOT appear on the November ballot.&#8217;</p>
<p>This is yet another sign of the ineptitude at city hall. It&#8217;s the ol&#8217; chicken-or-egg conundrum: Is the high rate of turnover, especially in the legal department, the cause or effect of the increasing failures of city leadership to know how the law works in an open society.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that the LIBRARY!s Foundation, of ALL organizations, is party to such deception. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s the way the whole project has been handled. The proposed design is a lot of WOW — brash, flashy spaces, wasted energy, disregard for local landmarks — wrapped around a needed modest library expansion—and obfuscation of the true costs.</p>
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		By: JDB		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106938</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2019 21:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the Guardian could provide a link to Ms Olsen&#039;s response to BWT so we can understand her logic for rejecting BWT concerns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the Guardian could provide a link to Ms Olsen&#8217;s response to BWT so we can understand her logic for rejecting BWT concerns.</p>
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		By: Navillus		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106937</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Navillus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Western Guy, I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself.  This is obvious evidence that Mayor Bieter wants everything to be so confusing, that he will not only win a fifth term, but build all the monuments to himself.  I thought the giant cities were crooked, but Boise is outdoing even them.  Next thing you know, we&#039;ll have the Mafia taking over...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Western Guy, I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself.  This is obvious evidence that Mayor Bieter wants everything to be so confusing, that he will not only win a fifth term, but build all the monuments to himself.  I thought the giant cities were crooked, but Boise is outdoing even them.  Next thing you know, we&#8217;ll have the Mafia taking over&#8230;</p>
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		By: Disappointed		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Disappointed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2019 15:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am disappointed that the city cannot play fair with the voters.  I cannot understand why Stoel Rives is having to answer for the clerk. The city has their own attorneys.   Did they just &quot;screw it up&quot;?  Did they wait so long for Bieter to send the word down that the thing already printed?  I know Olson is a lawyer for defending federal criminals.  Is that what Bieter is afraid of?  Or is he trying to prepay his possible partnership buy-in with city money?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disappointed that the city cannot play fair with the voters.  I cannot understand why Stoel Rives is having to answer for the clerk. The city has their own attorneys.   Did they just &#8220;screw it up&#8221;?  Did they wait so long for Bieter to send the word down that the thing already printed?  I know Olson is a lawyer for defending federal criminals.  Is that what Bieter is afraid of?  Or is he trying to prepay his possible partnership buy-in with city money?</p>
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		By: Vote YES on both Questions		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106935</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vote YES on both Questions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2019 07:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We need to spread the word that folks need to vote YES on BOTH questions. 

A YES vote will allow us to approve any debt the City tries to get into.

VOTE YES on both!!

Spread the word.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to spread the word that folks need to vote YES on BOTH questions. </p>
<p>A YES vote will allow us to approve any debt the City tries to get into.</p>
<p>VOTE YES on both!!</p>
<p>Spread the word.</p>
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		By: The Right To Instruct Their Representatives		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/09/26/voter-guide-is-deceptive/#comment-106934</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Right To Instruct Their Representatives]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2019 07:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This whole issue makes me ponder a principle contained in the Idaho State Constitution; the right to instruct their representatives.

Article 1: Declaration of Rights – Section 10. Right Of Assembly. The people shall have the right to assemble in a peaceable manner, to consult for their common good, to instruct their representatives, and to petition the legislature for the redress of grievances.

The 7,000+ signatures gathered on the petitions demonstrate that the citizens wish to instruct their representatives through this formal democratic mechanism (voting) for expressing the will of the people. This mechanism will also ensure that elected officials can effectively carry out their duties as public servants.

Prior to entering into the duties of public office, each elected official took a loyalty oath by solemnly swearing/affirming to support the Constitution of the State of Idaho. By not supporting, and outright discouraging, the citizens’ right to instruct their representatives via a vote, would Boise City’s public officers not be faithfully discharging the duties accepted via oath of office? I am not an expert on the Constitution, so I do not know the answer, but it does make me wonder.

Meanwhile, do not allow yourself to be misled by the perceived value these projects may bring to the City, for that is not the issue at hand. This is about how explosive growth and progress has created a major crossroad, where Boise City Municipal Government no longer believes the citizens should be allowed to communicate via the ballot box, or have a meaningful say in how their tax dollars are used. Those are the real issue here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole issue makes me ponder a principle contained in the Idaho State Constitution; the right to instruct their representatives.</p>
<p>Article 1: Declaration of Rights – Section 10. Right Of Assembly. The people shall have the right to assemble in a peaceable manner, to consult for their common good, to instruct their representatives, and to petition the legislature for the redress of grievances.</p>
<p>The 7,000+ signatures gathered on the petitions demonstrate that the citizens wish to instruct their representatives through this formal democratic mechanism (voting) for expressing the will of the people. This mechanism will also ensure that elected officials can effectively carry out their duties as public servants.</p>
<p>Prior to entering into the duties of public office, each elected official took a loyalty oath by solemnly swearing/affirming to support the Constitution of the State of Idaho. By not supporting, and outright discouraging, the citizens’ right to instruct their representatives via a vote, would Boise City’s public officers not be faithfully discharging the duties accepted via oath of office? I am not an expert on the Constitution, so I do not know the answer, but it does make me wonder.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, do not allow yourself to be misled by the perceived value these projects may bring to the City, for that is not the issue at hand. This is about how explosive growth and progress has created a major crossroad, where Boise City Municipal Government no longer believes the citizens should be allowed to communicate via the ballot box, or have a meaningful say in how their tax dollars are used. Those are the real issue here.</p>
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