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		By: Porcupine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2019 23:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[another way of looking at it is 54.2% voted against McLean.

EDITOR NOTE--That&#039;s why we have a different &lt;em&gt;SLANT&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another way of looking at it is 54.2% voted against McLean.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;That&#8217;s why we have a different <em>SLANT</em><em>.</em></p>
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		By: Forced Air		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2019/11/05/nearly-70-vote-against-bieter/#comment-107181</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forced Air]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 19:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We had very poor choices for all seats, for the most part, but I felt that Rebecca Arnold could have been a viable stopping agent to all others&#039; visions of candy cane progressives. It&#039;s a shame that Wayne Richie didn&#039;t have a prayer as we need a brick wall to prohibit further waste and palace builds. The big problem is that the real motivators lie BEHIND the proxies that makeup the City Hall members. Richie might have discovered this, perhaps Arnold as well. 

I voted for City Council challengers that sounded like they were opposed to the Library and Stadium boondoggles. 

McLean is only a better &quot;choice&quot; in that she may not be as skilled of a political machine operator as Bieter has been. She now has to convince Boise businesses to bending to her more radical progressive (read Marxist) plans. Just what IS her plan for the very homeless that decades long policies have created that ruined purchasing power in the name of &quot;easy credit&quot; plans? Is she merely going to let homeless camp where they want to and then when the piles of needles, poop and trash gets too big, demand that we adopt full on Socialism? 

If every bleeding heart liberal in the North End were to adopt every homeless person for real, and take them in to their homes and shepherd them through life, I would admire their sincerity. But the answer is always spending OTHER peoples&#039; money via half ass policies that never work like as advertised. The problem is that there is never enough money when easy printing devalues every charitable dollar you raise privately or publicly. 

There is no real good reason why we have so many homeless unless you are willing to look at how it got so out of control. I worked at a shelter for a short while and 90% of the residents HAD JOBS!!! Why is that? Ignorance is why this problem is with us, and McLean has NO CLUE how to deal with it. She will tax and spend it into a bigger problem than it already is. Look at California for the results. 

All we did is trade some experienced Marxists for inexperienced ones that believe their own BS. I can say this because I was a big progressive for a long time, then woke up to the real reason why it exists in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had very poor choices for all seats, for the most part, but I felt that Rebecca Arnold could have been a viable stopping agent to all others&#8217; visions of candy cane progressives. It&#8217;s a shame that Wayne Richie didn&#8217;t have a prayer as we need a brick wall to prohibit further waste and palace builds. The big problem is that the real motivators lie BEHIND the proxies that makeup the City Hall members. Richie might have discovered this, perhaps Arnold as well. </p>
<p>I voted for City Council challengers that sounded like they were opposed to the Library and Stadium boondoggles. </p>
<p>McLean is only a better &#8220;choice&#8221; in that she may not be as skilled of a political machine operator as Bieter has been. She now has to convince Boise businesses to bending to her more radical progressive (read Marxist) plans. Just what IS her plan for the very homeless that decades long policies have created that ruined purchasing power in the name of &#8220;easy credit&#8221; plans? Is she merely going to let homeless camp where they want to and then when the piles of needles, poop and trash gets too big, demand that we adopt full on Socialism? </p>
<p>If every bleeding heart liberal in the North End were to adopt every homeless person for real, and take them in to their homes and shepherd them through life, I would admire their sincerity. But the answer is always spending OTHER peoples&#8217; money via half ass policies that never work like as advertised. The problem is that there is never enough money when easy printing devalues every charitable dollar you raise privately or publicly. </p>
<p>There is no real good reason why we have so many homeless unless you are willing to look at how it got so out of control. I worked at a shelter for a short while and 90% of the residents HAD JOBS!!! Why is that? Ignorance is why this problem is with us, and McLean has NO CLUE how to deal with it. She will tax and spend it into a bigger problem than it already is. Look at California for the results. </p>
<p>All we did is trade some experienced Marxists for inexperienced ones that believe their own BS. I can say this because I was a big progressive for a long time, then woke up to the real reason why it exists in the first place.</p>
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		By: Chickenhawk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 19:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hate to spoil the parade, folks, but McLean is even more of a liberal democrat than Bieter.  As Council President, she set the agenda and voted in favor of everything that the Mayor proposed, including the Taj Majal monstrosity known as the Library as well as the stadium gift for the out-of-town multimillionaire owners of the Hawks.  She then flip-flopped when the campaign filing deadline approached.  Now she expects us to count on her for change.  Sorry Lauren, but I just do not buy into your campaign&#039;s promise to &quot;McLean&quot; up the mess from the current administration.

So I will be writing in my vote in the runoff.  Who knows?  It could be Mr. Frazier!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to spoil the parade, folks, but McLean is even more of a liberal democrat than Bieter.  As Council President, she set the agenda and voted in favor of everything that the Mayor proposed, including the Taj Majal monstrosity known as the Library as well as the stadium gift for the out-of-town multimillionaire owners of the Hawks.  She then flip-flopped when the campaign filing deadline approached.  Now she expects us to count on her for change.  Sorry Lauren, but I just do not buy into your campaign&#8217;s promise to &#8220;McLean&#8221; up the mess from the current administration.</p>
<p>So I will be writing in my vote in the runoff.  Who knows?  It could be Mr. Frazier!</p>
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		By: New Crime Hub		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New Crime Hub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The two libs on the commission are gonna build a Chicago style crime hub, err I mean a massive low income housing project.  This way all the mentally ill addicts will be far away from the Boise parks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two libs on the commission are gonna build a Chicago style crime hub, err I mean a massive low income housing project.  This way all the mentally ill addicts will be far away from the Boise parks.</p>
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		By: Not fantasy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not fantasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Step aside bankrupt beer bellies.  Bike path on canal roads easier than walking on the moon.  The people who want it have loads more money than the people who don&#039;t.  It will happen.  Not a fantasy.  And paint that crusty old house while your at it.  And why on earth do you have 47 RVs on your residential lot?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Step aside bankrupt beer bellies.  Bike path on canal roads easier than walking on the moon.  The people who want it have loads more money than the people who don&#8217;t.  It will happen.  Not a fantasy.  And paint that crusty old house while your at it.  And why on earth do you have 47 RVs on your residential lot?</p>
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		By: Jenny G		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bonnie brings up an interesting point.  What will happen to the homeless lawsuit if McLean wins the run-off?  Bonnie is a bit of a hypocrite though.  Her posts on Facebook Old Hill Road group read like she is a pro-pollution, anti-infrastructure, anti-safety, car-centric wing-nut curmudgeon.  She even surmised at someone&#039;s death by riding a bicycle with a horribly nasty post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie brings up an interesting point.  What will happen to the homeless lawsuit if McLean wins the run-off?  Bonnie is a bit of a hypocrite though.  Her posts on Facebook Old Hill Road group read like she is a pro-pollution, anti-infrastructure, anti-safety, car-centric wing-nut curmudgeon.  She even surmised at someone&#8217;s death by riding a bicycle with a horribly nasty post.</p>
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		By: Boise Model		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boise Model]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Phoenix Az the canal banks have been bike and walking paths for years. The canal systems is very similar in construction to those in the Treasury valley except there the water runs 11 months a year.  The safety of the walkers and bikers is a non issue. Many places there is a no safety fence.  

In Az living near the canal is a positive, Here it is a negative. Unfortunately the local farmers and canal companies can&#039;t see it that way. 

Does anyone know if the canal companies got those right-of-ways for free from the government?

If the canals were more common in the North End I suspect the City would behind the idea. But since the benefit would be to those living to the south and west the  City will never get behind it.

The City can spend 11 million to upgrade Grove Street, 6 million on Broad Street but a bike path next to the RR tracks? &quot;too expensive&quot; as is a bathroom at Franklin Park.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Phoenix Az the canal banks have been bike and walking paths for years. The canal systems is very similar in construction to those in the Treasury valley except there the water runs 11 months a year.  The safety of the walkers and bikers is a non issue. Many places there is a no safety fence.  </p>
<p>In Az living near the canal is a positive, Here it is a negative. Unfortunately the local farmers and canal companies can&#8217;t see it that way. </p>
<p>Does anyone know if the canal companies got those right-of-ways for free from the government?</p>
<p>If the canals were more common in the North End I suspect the City would behind the idea. But since the benefit would be to those living to the south and west the  City will never get behind it.</p>
<p>The City can spend 11 million to upgrade Grove Street, 6 million on Broad Street but a bike path next to the RR tracks? &#8220;too expensive&#8221; as is a bathroom at Franklin Park.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lauren McLean is Dave Bieter in a dress. As a city council public servant has she ever opposed the direction of Dave? 
I agree that the NY canal should be used as a BIKE-PATH? As should I84 and I184. Car traffic should be directed to the green belt. What a piecefool drive into the most livable city in the country!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren McLean is Dave Bieter in a dress. As a city council public servant has she ever opposed the direction of Dave?<br />
I agree that the NY canal should be used as a BIKE-PATH? As should I84 and I184. Car traffic should be directed to the green belt. What a piecefool drive into the most livable city in the country!</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope McClean can get rid of the &quot;deer in the headlights&quot; look. She seems very, very ill prepared for almost everything. I hope we are not getting something more aloof than even Bieter was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope McClean can get rid of the &#8220;deer in the headlights&#8221; look. She seems very, very ill prepared for almost everything. I hope we are not getting something more aloof than even Bieter was.</p>
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		By: don't hold a fantasy about what anyone can do		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[don't hold a fantasy about what anyone can do]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, for you apparently enthusiastic bikers: No you cannot use the canal banks.  They are extremely dangerous, as are bikes on the city streets.  There are loads and loads of laws that make them (canal banks) off limits.  It will not change because of enthusiasm.  Get real with your direction and efforts.  

Try to learn about zoning and how that is legally binding for cities, unless they just disregard it.  That is potentially your challenge.  You can&#039;t just disregard what citizens have relied upon. You can&#039;t disregard previous contract. 

Developers met with DB prior to his previous terms, and said &quot;we will develop&quot; or our money goes elsewhere.  

Go elsewhere, please, and let&#039;s give someone else a chance to lead Blaise. (bla&#039;-zea).

Boise, where the climate is nice.  Not a factor the elected can influence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, for you apparently enthusiastic bikers: No you cannot use the canal banks.  They are extremely dangerous, as are bikes on the city streets.  There are loads and loads of laws that make them (canal banks) off limits.  It will not change because of enthusiasm.  Get real with your direction and efforts.  </p>
<p>Try to learn about zoning and how that is legally binding for cities, unless they just disregard it.  That is potentially your challenge.  You can&#8217;t just disregard what citizens have relied upon. You can&#8217;t disregard previous contract. </p>
<p>Developers met with DB prior to his previous terms, and said &#8220;we will develop&#8221; or our money goes elsewhere.  </p>
<p>Go elsewhere, please, and let&#8217;s give someone else a chance to lead Blaise. (bla&#8217;-zea).</p>
<p>Boise, where the climate is nice.  Not a factor the elected can influence.</p>
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