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		By: Anit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anit]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the assignment was meant to show both sides where is the other side, the side that applauds the courage, recognizes the tremendous character traits that the explorers portrayed?  The side that examines the conditions and circumstances the explorers lived in and considered the explores actions and decisions in light of those facts.  These posters don&#039;t seem to represent fact, which leads a person to suspect few facts are being taught.  I suspect those aspects were not taught to the children and asking children to think critically in an environment where biased opinion, is treated as fact, does not teach children to think critically.  The comment about showing Martin Luther King Jr. in a true light would mean that his orgies and infidelity would have to be considered and that alone proves the tremendous bias apparent from the results of this assignment.  We don&#039;t need schools teaching a social justice perspective on history just teach the history!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the assignment was meant to show both sides where is the other side, the side that applauds the courage, recognizes the tremendous character traits that the explorers portrayed?  The side that examines the conditions and circumstances the explorers lived in and considered the explores actions and decisions in light of those facts.  These posters don&#8217;t seem to represent fact, which leads a person to suspect few facts are being taught.  I suspect those aspects were not taught to the children and asking children to think critically in an environment where biased opinion, is treated as fact, does not teach children to think critically.  The comment about showing Martin Luther King Jr. in a true light would mean that his orgies and infidelity would have to be considered and that alone proves the tremendous bias apparent from the results of this assignment.  We don&#8217;t need schools teaching a social justice perspective on history just teach the history!!!</p>
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		By: Ian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2020 00:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would they allow Martin Luther King Jr. to be shown from a &quot;different perspective?&quot; Aren&#039;t his fbi files still sealed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would they allow Martin Luther King Jr. to be shown from a &#8220;different perspective?&#8221; Aren&#8217;t his fbi files still sealed?</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[^^ That is ugly CK! 
And for a newcomer to post such stuff.  Wow! 
So you believe to &quot;change history&quot;, to update it by reflecting additional TRUE information, is somehow related to Marxism?  Sad to read. 

The idea of &quot;cultural Marxism&quot; is now HIGHLY associated with antisemitism comments and antisemitic people and the obvious xenophobia. 
It has been for quite a while by the SPLC (from 2003):
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2003/cultural-marxism-catching

Even MORE SO NOW due to the surge of the alt-right idiots:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim

Maybe you are just confused CK; 
unless of course that does fit your mentality and beliefs. Or do you just like slinging nutty theories into blogs? 

What is NOT accurate is some of the garbage coming from our current politicos and citizenry - showing a lack of memory and total ignorance of US History and democratic principles. Sad and ugly.
Ironic this topic made it to our Statehouse recently in a hearing about science standards.  Some opposed to the above project, such as Nate, actually showed up in a hearing about &quot;science&quot; standards expressing their opinions about history. Maybe the hearing on history standards was full?   SMH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ That is ugly CK!<br />
And for a newcomer to post such stuff.  Wow!<br />
So you believe to &#8220;change history&#8221;, to update it by reflecting additional TRUE information, is somehow related to Marxism?  Sad to read. </p>
<p>The idea of &#8220;cultural Marxism&#8221; is now HIGHLY associated with antisemitism comments and antisemitic people and the obvious xenophobia.<br />
It has been for quite a while by the SPLC (from 2003):<br />
<a href="https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2003/cultural-marxism-catching" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2003/cultural-marxism-catching</a></p>
<p>Even MORE SO NOW due to the surge of the alt-right idiots:<br />
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim</a></p>
<p>Maybe you are just confused CK;<br />
unless of course that does fit your mentality and beliefs. Or do you just like slinging nutty theories into blogs? </p>
<p>What is NOT accurate is some of the garbage coming from our current politicos and citizenry &#8211; showing a lack of memory and total ignorance of US History and democratic principles. Sad and ugly.<br />
Ironic this topic made it to our Statehouse recently in a hearing about science standards.  Some opposed to the above project, such as Nate, actually showed up in a hearing about &#8220;science&#8221; standards expressing their opinions about history. Maybe the hearing on history standards was full?   SMH.</p>
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		By: Caro K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caro K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is classic cultural Marxism: Change history either by flashback, projection, or just erasing. However it&#039;s done, it is not history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is classic cultural Marxism: Change history either by flashback, projection, or just erasing. However it&#8217;s done, it is not history.</p>
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		By: Forced Air		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forced Air]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 22:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As one who read many a revisionist article in Left publications, this is standard fare. Yes, the past is riddled with imperialist traditions. That is why OUR nation was born. Why is it that EVERYONE still wants to enter the USA,  Freedom....plain and simple. 

But the Left conveniently ignores and/or excuses the very same horrifying behavior of their own heroes...Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, the Che, Castro, Mao, Muslim terrorists and of course, Bill Ayers. 

The Neo-Weathermen...strike that...Neo-WeatherPERSONS, are being created right in our midst. Wokeness is the new religion. The silence from State GOP leaders is deafening. They are too busy triangulating their political calculations. Governor Little is a liberal, not a conservative. Should we ask....Control File here? 

I&#039;ve read Leftist Howard Zinn&#039;s &quot;Peoples History of the United States.&quot; It is replete with his damning perspective of our history and paints our nation as a terrorist haven of white supremacy. 

I just received a new book....&quot;Debunking Howard Zinn-Exposing the Fake History That Turned a Generation against America.&quot; This fact alone would trigger millions of snowflakes. 

It is so easy to see how there has been a prolonged effort to destroy this nation from inside. Enemy Number One is the Legacy Media and the Indoctrination system that has slowly pressured the narrative to the Collectivist Authoritarian end of the spectrum. The Overton Window now shows how close we are to a Soviet style takeover. 

Many thanks to the citizen who shared this travesty with David.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who read many a revisionist article in Left publications, this is standard fare. Yes, the past is riddled with imperialist traditions. That is why OUR nation was born. Why is it that EVERYONE still wants to enter the USA,  Freedom&#8230;.plain and simple. </p>
<p>But the Left conveniently ignores and/or excuses the very same horrifying behavior of their own heroes&#8230;Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, the Che, Castro, Mao, Muslim terrorists and of course, Bill Ayers. </p>
<p>The Neo-Weathermen&#8230;strike that&#8230;Neo-WeatherPERSONS, are being created right in our midst. Wokeness is the new religion. The silence from State GOP leaders is deafening. They are too busy triangulating their political calculations. Governor Little is a liberal, not a conservative. Should we ask&#8230;.Control File here? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read Leftist Howard Zinn&#8217;s &#8220;Peoples History of the United States.&#8221; It is replete with his damning perspective of our history and paints our nation as a terrorist haven of white supremacy. </p>
<p>I just received a new book&#8230;.&#8221;Debunking Howard Zinn-Exposing the Fake History That Turned a Generation against America.&#8221; This fact alone would trigger millions of snowflakes. </p>
<p>It is so easy to see how there has been a prolonged effort to destroy this nation from inside. Enemy Number One is the Legacy Media and the Indoctrination system that has slowly pressured the narrative to the Collectivist Authoritarian end of the spectrum. The Overton Window now shows how close we are to a Soviet style takeover. </p>
<p>Many thanks to the citizen who shared this travesty with David.</p>
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		By: Reality		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reality]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[History books are fiction, written by the winners of wars or invasions.

The “Great Explorers” were scouts for invading Empires; looking to steal gold, silver and other booty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History books are fiction, written by the winners of wars or invasions.</p>
<p>The “Great Explorers” were scouts for invading Empires; looking to steal gold, silver and other booty.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 17:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sure everyone, including Nate, is okay with this historical &#039;Wanted Dead or Alive&#039; poster, right? 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-long-hunt

It just depends on one&#039;s perspective. 

Oddly enough, the reward for one of our current Top Ten Most Wanted is NOT a &quot;billion dollers&quot;- (clearly these fifth graders are learning false information. HC! I must write another ltr to the Governor!).
  
The truth is, a normal reward is more like $100,000 -$200,000 for a murderer:  
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/jason-derek-brown/@@download.pdf

And it goes to $5Million for a US citizen &#039;allegedly&#039; operating in a foreign terrorist organization.

But, kill a DEA agent &#039;exploring things&#039; in a different country though, and the reward jumps to 20 million.  https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/rafael-caro-quintero   
So &quot;DEA Lives Matter [more]?&quot;

Kids, the real lesson is some criminals ARE worth more than others- like &quot;a Life time supply of Food!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure everyone, including Nate, is okay with this historical &#8216;Wanted Dead or Alive&#8217; poster, right?<br />
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-long-hunt" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-long-hunt</a></p>
<p>It just depends on one&#8217;s perspective. </p>
<p>Oddly enough, the reward for one of our current Top Ten Most Wanted is NOT a &#8220;billion dollers&#8221;- (clearly these fifth graders are learning false information. HC! I must write another ltr to the Governor!).</p>
<p>The truth is, a normal reward is more like $100,000 -$200,000 for a murderer:<br />
<a href="https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/jason-derek-brown/@@download.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/jason-derek-brown/@@download.pdf</a></p>
<p>And it goes to $5Million for a US citizen &#8216;allegedly&#8217; operating in a foreign terrorist organization.</p>
<p>But, kill a DEA agent &#8216;exploring things&#8217; in a different country though, and the reward jumps to 20 million.  <a href="https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/rafael-caro-quintero" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/rafael-caro-quintero</a><br />
So &#8220;DEA Lives Matter [more]?&#8221;</p>
<p>Kids, the real lesson is some criminals ARE worth more than others- like &#8220;a Life time supply of Food!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Clayton Cramer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clayton Cramer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is yet another example of &quot;presentism&quot;: the belief that it makes good history to judge people of the past by current moral norms.  This implies that the norms of today are absolutes and persons of the 16th century should have known and followed our standards.  This implies an absolute standard of morality that no leftist would otherwise consider acceptable.  By the standards of 1950, we live in a depraved society.

The death count of Native Americans was huge, but largely the result of diseases brought inadvertantly and unknowingly by the Europeans.  Deaths in war and slavery were a tiny fraction.  While tragic, these were not a moral failing, but ignorance of microbiology.

What is often forgotten is that European conquest of the Americas and Africa was often aided and abetted by native populations.  Cortez succeeded because Aztec human sacrifice of prisoners of war gave victim tribes a reason to help Cortez. Pizzaro arrived in the middle of an Incan civil war.  The Narragansett tribe manipulated the Europeans into largely wiping out the Pequots to obtain the Pequot lands.  Europeans arrived at Easter Island at the end of a cannibalistic civil war.

This is bad history and reminds me of the National Socialist dehumanization of the Jews as vermin.  Good for present politics but fiercely hate-filled and deceptive.  The same approach could be used to condemn African sale of slaves to Europeans for the trans-Atlantic slave trade, or LGBTs for the spread of AIDS in North America.  If you want to know hy the Supreme Court is hearing a case concerning Montana&#039;s private school tuition, look no further.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is yet another example of &#8220;presentism&#8221;: the belief that it makes good history to judge people of the past by current moral norms.  This implies that the norms of today are absolutes and persons of the 16th century should have known and followed our standards.  This implies an absolute standard of morality that no leftist would otherwise consider acceptable.  By the standards of 1950, we live in a depraved society.</p>
<p>The death count of Native Americans was huge, but largely the result of diseases brought inadvertantly and unknowingly by the Europeans.  Deaths in war and slavery were a tiny fraction.  While tragic, these were not a moral failing, but ignorance of microbiology.</p>
<p>What is often forgotten is that European conquest of the Americas and Africa was often aided and abetted by native populations.  Cortez succeeded because Aztec human sacrifice of prisoners of war gave victim tribes a reason to help Cortez. Pizzaro arrived in the middle of an Incan civil war.  The Narragansett tribe manipulated the Europeans into largely wiping out the Pequots to obtain the Pequot lands.  Europeans arrived at Easter Island at the end of a cannibalistic civil war.</p>
<p>This is bad history and reminds me of the National Socialist dehumanization of the Jews as vermin.  Good for present politics but fiercely hate-filled and deceptive.  The same approach could be used to condemn African sale of slaves to Europeans for the trans-Atlantic slave trade, or LGBTs for the spread of AIDS in North America.  If you want to know hy the Supreme Court is hearing a case concerning Montana&#8217;s private school tuition, look no further.</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2020 15:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, the tangled webs!

Interesting and enlightening information.  Thanks for sharing this, Nate Murphy (who obviously wants to know what&#039;s going on in his kids&#039; classrooms).

I s&#039;pose I&#039;m most disappointeded that his inquiry to the state honchos got no response.

Dan Hollar&#039;s job is to defend the school district against criticism, so his response is about what you&#039;d expect.

My take: Historical figures are historical because of either their good deeds or their infamous deeds.  The good people surely had flaws... the bad guys maybe had some good in &#039;em that we don&#039;t focus on.  F&#039;r instance... Jefferson owned slaves.  Ulysses Grant was an alcoholic.  More recently, John F. Kennedy and the gentleman whose legacy we just celebrated, &quot;Reverend&quot; Martin Luther King, Jr., both were a little weak in the &quot;thou shalt not commit adultery&quot; thing.  Do we want our kids to dissect their weaknesses, rather than learn how they shaped history?

Maybe next week the kids will be learning:
Hitler - he was a great orator!
Lenin - sure, he killed millions... but he made a wicked stroganoff!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the tangled webs!</p>
<p>Interesting and enlightening information.  Thanks for sharing this, Nate Murphy (who obviously wants to know what&#8217;s going on in his kids&#8217; classrooms).</p>
<p>I s&#8217;pose I&#8217;m most disappointeded that his inquiry to the state honchos got no response.</p>
<p>Dan Hollar&#8217;s job is to defend the school district against criticism, so his response is about what you&#8217;d expect.</p>
<p>My take: Historical figures are historical because of either their good deeds or their infamous deeds.  The good people surely had flaws&#8230; the bad guys maybe had some good in &#8217;em that we don&#8217;t focus on.  F&#8217;r instance&#8230; Jefferson owned slaves.  Ulysses Grant was an alcoholic.  More recently, John F. Kennedy and the gentleman whose legacy we just celebrated, &#8220;Reverend&#8221; Martin Luther King, Jr., both were a little weak in the &#8220;thou shalt not commit adultery&#8221; thing.  Do we want our kids to dissect their weaknesses, rather than learn how they shaped history?</p>
<p>Maybe next week the kids will be learning:<br />
Hitler &#8211; he was a great orator!<br />
Lenin &#8211; sure, he killed millions&#8230; but he made a wicked stroganoff!</p>
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		By: Taylor Erskine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taylor Erskine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2020 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I agree that the way world history was taught when I was in school was far off the mark and am all for the truth being taught the wanted dead or alive is just not appropriate in any context.
 U dont make amends for past transgressions by committing more in the present.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that the way world history was taught when I was in school was far off the mark and am all for the truth being taught the wanted dead or alive is just not appropriate in any context.<br />
 U dont make amends for past transgressions by committing more in the present.</p>
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