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		By: what a cryin' shame		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[what a cryin' shame]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That capable and legal entity is using tax dollars to purchase the building. That is why the decision of allowability comes in. If the space is not necessary and documented to be for student use/benefit, then BSU has no business owning it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That capable and legal entity is using tax dollars to purchase the building. That is why the decision of allowability comes in. If the space is not necessary and documented to be for student use/benefit, then BSU has no business owning it.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2020 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The comment above of &quot;BSU should not be allowed to purchase the building&quot; is loaded with some connotations here.

&quot;BE ALLOWED&quot;? Interesting comment given the current political scene:  

-That a private owner could not sell to a particular, willing, and able buyer. 
-That a capable and legal entity would  not &quot;be allowed&quot; to buy real property (or anything). 
WOW! 

And in the same space as this blog with constant comments of &quot;tyrant Bieter&quot;, anti-socialism, anti-communism---- &quot;the idea&quot; that government should interfere with the free-market. Wow! 

And this Guardian (modified) quote from 2010, since it matches recent Cuba commentary: &quot;we note that Communist Cuba [and others], are known to operate state-owned businesses. Just can’t imagine such a thing in a place like Idaho&quot;

Welcome to Idaho! 

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From the above resolution &quot;property belonging to the state&quot; that is being leased----  

combined with
&quot;socialism aims to substitute private property in the means of production for social ownership or public property.&quot; And, &quot;Socialists generally favor social ownership&quot; [a nonprofit organization is very much &#039;social ownership&#039;].

Oh, this all must exist because the Idaho Legislature and our current politicians and their supporters actually DO interfere with the free-market ALL the TIME (when it fits their interests) despite the platform:  
&quot;A competitive market, free of
undue governmental ***competition,*** restriction, coercion, or ***interference,*** is critical to
Idaho’s economic well-being.&quot; 
 
/
So is that just hypocrisy or selectively accepting socialism by the same people who say they are opposed to democratic socialism??   

&quot;Alex, I&#039;ll take, &#039;Feel the Bern&#039; for a $1,000&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment above of &#8220;BSU should not be allowed to purchase the building&#8221; is loaded with some connotations here.</p>
<p>&#8220;BE ALLOWED&#8221;? Interesting comment given the current political scene:  </p>
<p>-That a private owner could not sell to a particular, willing, and able buyer.<br />
-That a capable and legal entity would  not &#8220;be allowed&#8221; to buy real property (or anything).<br />
WOW! </p>
<p>And in the same space as this blog with constant comments of &#8220;tyrant Bieter&#8221;, anti-socialism, anti-communism&#8212;- &#8220;the idea&#8221; that government should interfere with the free-market. Wow! </p>
<p>And this Guardian (modified) quote from 2010, since it matches recent Cuba commentary: &#8220;we note that Communist Cuba [and others], are known to operate state-owned businesses. Just can’t imagine such a thing in a place like Idaho&#8221;</p>
<p>Welcome to Idaho! </p>
<p>////<br />
From the above resolution &#8220;property belonging to the state&#8221; that is being leased&#8212;-  </p>
<p>combined with<br />
&#8220;socialism aims to substitute private property in the means of production for social ownership or public property.&#8221; And, &#8220;Socialists generally favor social ownership&#8221; [a nonprofit organization is very much &#8216;social ownership&#8217;].</p>
<p>Oh, this all must exist because the Idaho Legislature and our current politicians and their supporters actually DO interfere with the free-market ALL the TIME (when it fits their interests) despite the platform:<br />
&#8220;A competitive market, free of<br />
undue governmental ***competition,*** restriction, coercion, or ***interference,*** is critical to<br />
Idaho’s economic well-being.&#8221; </p>
<p>/<br />
So is that just hypocrisy or selectively accepting socialism by the same people who say they are opposed to democratic socialism??   </p>
<p>&#8220;Alex, I&#8217;ll take, &#8216;Feel the Bern&#8217; for a $1,000&#8221;</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The example you give is ironic! BSU to consider the purchase of the mirrored building on Broadway to then lease 75% while BSU leases space from the CCDC for downtown classroom spaces? Make me wonder if smoking pot is allowed in the capital and other government offices?  Oh those ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANTS.
Maybe BSU should NOT be allowed to purchase the mirrored building.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The example you give is ironic! BSU to consider the purchase of the mirrored building on Broadway to then lease 75% while BSU leases space from the CCDC for downtown classroom spaces? Make me wonder if smoking pot is allowed in the capital and other government offices?  Oh those ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANTS.<br />
Maybe BSU should NOT be allowed to purchase the mirrored building.</p>
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		By: Rick Visser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Visser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Reps John Gannon, Steve Harris and Mike Moyle for sponsoring this legislation. This loophole needs to be closed, and Idaho should follow the lead of other states that have statutes and constitutional amendments that close this loophole. I am on board with these Representatives and have already offered my help and research to get it done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Reps John Gannon, Steve Harris and Mike Moyle for sponsoring this legislation. This loophole needs to be closed, and Idaho should follow the lead of other states that have statutes and constitutional amendments that close this loophole. I am on board with these Representatives and have already offered my help and research to get it done.</p>
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		By: Forced Air		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/02/17/gannon-seeks-taxes-from-government-tenants/#comment-107603</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forced Air]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the problem with elaborate tax arrangements. When you have all of these various owner/renter relationships with profit vs non-profits and the like, it&#039;s very easy to begin seeing special tax holidays and periods of tax freezes or ceilings and sunsets. The whole notion of a &quot;property tax&quot; is antithetical to a free country, in my view. This tax makes owning property a &quot;original sin&quot; and therefore you are subject to a tithing by some King. You are a captured subject, a tax pawn. 

We need to dump this whole idea. Governments get bigger, because they can when they have a captured subject to tap, at any time. 

Porcupine....I noticed in that BoiseDev article...“If I have to appoint myself to that commission, I will,” McLean said. “If there’s a mayor on the board, it should be the current one. CCDC needs to align with the vision of a city.”

I ask....just WHAT vision of this city is she talking about? Were Me or You consulted on this vision? You nailed it with the reference to old/new boss tag. We replaced Lenin with Trotsky.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with elaborate tax arrangements. When you have all of these various owner/renter relationships with profit vs non-profits and the like, it&#8217;s very easy to begin seeing special tax holidays and periods of tax freezes or ceilings and sunsets. The whole notion of a &#8220;property tax&#8221; is antithetical to a free country, in my view. This tax makes owning property a &#8220;original sin&#8221; and therefore you are subject to a tithing by some King. You are a captured subject, a tax pawn. </p>
<p>We need to dump this whole idea. Governments get bigger, because they can when they have a captured subject to tap, at any time. </p>
<p>Porcupine&#8230;.I noticed in that BoiseDev article&#8230;“If I have to appoint myself to that commission, I will,” McLean said. “If there’s a mayor on the board, it should be the current one. CCDC needs to align with the vision of a city.”</p>
<p>I ask&#8230;.just WHAT vision of this city is she talking about? Were Me or You consulted on this vision? You nailed it with the reference to old/new boss tag. We replaced Lenin with Trotsky.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/02/17/gannon-seeks-taxes-from-government-tenants/#comment-107601</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 05:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sounds good.
 
Technically it is a Resolution and proposes to put the issue on the ballot for citizen approval to make the amendment.  
Action costs $200-$300,000 tax dollars to put it on the ballot. And NO information for the additional tax revenues expected to generate?   

Define &quot;private entity&quot;. 
What if my nonprofit leases from the state and turns over use of the space to a &quot;private entity&quot; run by my child?  
---&quot;Just following the law&quot;.    
 
And we could go back to the original question: 
WHY is any government holding real estate to lease to any business?????  
Eliminate the problem instead of trying to cover the symptom--- eliminate the exemptions, URDS, and little old ladies then counties will be flush with funds and citizen taxes will go down. 
 
Like the Editor Note above states: too many variables to be fair across the whole state and 44 different counties. 

I&#039;ll vote NO. 

Better:  
Propose the amendment to allow EACH COUNTY to decide at the local level to eliminate the exemption for nonprofits with more than $x in assets, or revenue. Clearwater County might need the current arrangement. Ada County should dump the exemption for all NGOs (connected ones too) over a million in assets. And the Legislature should make that possible for the local decision to be made-- just like a Local-Option.  

 Or, Gannon &#038; Moyle could do something easy, work within their parties, be like Utah, and be LEADERS with a bipartisan effort to &quot;Add the Words&quot;.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds good.</p>
<p>Technically it is a Resolution and proposes to put the issue on the ballot for citizen approval to make the amendment.<br />
Action costs $200-$300,000 tax dollars to put it on the ballot. And NO information for the additional tax revenues expected to generate?   </p>
<p>Define &#8220;private entity&#8221;.<br />
What if my nonprofit leases from the state and turns over use of the space to a &#8220;private entity&#8221; run by my child?<br />
&#8212;&#8220;Just following the law&#8221;.    </p>
<p>And we could go back to the original question:<br />
WHY is any government holding real estate to lease to any business?????<br />
Eliminate the problem instead of trying to cover the symptom&#8212; eliminate the exemptions, URDS, and little old ladies then counties will be flush with funds and citizen taxes will go down. </p>
<p>Like the Editor Note above states: too many variables to be fair across the whole state and 44 different counties. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll vote NO. </p>
<p>Better:<br />
Propose the amendment to allow EACH COUNTY to decide at the local level to eliminate the exemption for nonprofits with more than $x in assets, or revenue. Clearwater County might need the current arrangement. Ada County should dump the exemption for all NGOs (connected ones too) over a million in assets. And the Legislature should make that possible for the local decision to be made&#8211; just like a Local-Option.  </p>
<p> Or, Gannon &amp; Moyle could do something easy, work within their parties, be like Utah, and be LEADERS with a bipartisan effort to &#8220;Add the Words&#8221;.  🙂</p>
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		By: TFBoy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TFBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree.  The improvements to gov&#039;t owned real property and leased to private parties should be taxed, percentages if mixed.  It currently works for non-profits leasing space... doctor offices... and there is no sound reason for not taxing similar public property.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  The improvements to gov&#8217;t owned real property and leased to private parties should be taxed, percentages if mixed.  It currently works for non-profits leasing space&#8230; doctor offices&#8230; and there is no sound reason for not taxing similar public property.</p>
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		By: George Richard Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Richard Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like the Legislature remove all the tax exemptions for the &#039;non profit&#039; hospitals and churches.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like the Legislature remove all the tax exemptions for the &#8216;non profit&#8217; hospitals and churches.</p>
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		By: Casmir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casmir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sensible for many reasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sensible for many reasons.</p>
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		By: Dave Kangas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Kangas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you John Gannon and Mike Moyle for bringing this legislation forth. Property taxes are very complicated and I appreciate the discussion this brings to the table. It is not just spending that drives up property taxes. Boise has lost a lot of tax revenue over the years to expansion- MK Plaza, HP Compass, growth of BSU. It does make a difference, especially when high value properties are involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you John Gannon and Mike Moyle for bringing this legislation forth. Property taxes are very complicated and I appreciate the discussion this brings to the table. It is not just spending that drives up property taxes. Boise has lost a lot of tax revenue over the years to expansion- MK Plaza, HP Compass, growth of BSU. It does make a difference, especially when high value properties are involved.</p>
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